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(BBC)   Woman exchanges 1,300 firearms for $65k in police guns-for-cash program   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 50
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2004-07-24 02:06:52 AM
Stupid guns for cash programs. It attracts this sort of people, but usually to a lesser degree. People with a gun or guns that they never use, often don't know how, and have no interest to use. It does very little to keep guns of the streets or any other inane claim they have, yet tends to cost a good deal of money. But, not my country, so I can't get too passionate about it.
 
2004-07-24 07:50:21 AM
ahhh makes sense now, 65k in Brazilian money (some sort of peso or something right) so in american you probably couldn't even go and buy an illegal gun off a street corner with what they gave her.
 
2004-07-24 07:59:12 AM
.....handed almost 1,300 firearms.....The woman, whose cache ranged from muskets to mortar shells, told police her late father was a gun collector. this guy was what you might call an avid collector.

he is also role model to NRA members worldwide. not to mention the "militia" groups.
 
2004-07-24 07:59:40 AM
I'm sure she would have made more money had she apraised her father's gun collection and sold it to a private collector.
 
2004-07-24 08:06:09 AM
Well, at least you wouldn't want to get caught cheating with her.

but 1300 guns for 6500 bucks? that's like 5 bucks per weapon, that's cheaper that supersoaker man
 
2004-07-24 08:07:41 AM
The article doesn't mention how the father died.

/wouldn't that be ironic if she shot her dad to sell back his guns?
 
2004-07-24 08:13:14 AM
Gun 'buyback' programs can come in handy if you have a gun that is worth less than the redeeming price. Quite a few of my fellow collectors have turned in rusty old junk heaps to pay for extra ammo or whatnot. Some of the programs here in the state will pay as much as $50.00 for something that isn't worth $10.00 on the open market. It is a good way to fuel one's hobby.

Of course these programs are worthless unless you want to make some quick cash or dump a crime weapon. The worst aspect is that some doddering old maid will turn in something rare, something that should be in the Smithsonian, only to have it chopped up. Private 'buyback' programs might be a good way to start a nice collection.
 
2004-07-24 08:17:43 AM
Are the criminals abiding by this government disarmament scheme too? I'm going to take a wild guess and say that they won't abide by it and will use this to increase the crime rate, kind of like UK...hahaha, stupid governments.
 
2004-07-24 08:19:14 AM
These weapons buyback programs are a joke. In the US you get can get $100 for a rifle in some programs. Unfortunatly this definition can sometimes include ANY rifle. The smart people buy up rusted relics and guns headed for the scrap heap and get good money as a result. Manny of the guns they collect wouldn't make good clubs. People that believe that gun buyback programs are a good idea are the same people that thought that proibition was a good idea. Mabee if you offered $1000 per gun you MIGHT get some of the illegal ones off the street, but not likley.

/New car buyback programs, sell your old car to the government for $20.
 
2004-07-24 08:20:00 AM
kawai

$65,000 for the guns.
 
2004-07-24 08:29:40 AM
"According to the United Nations, Brazil has the world's fourth-highest murder rate,..."

1. Washington, DC
2. Detroit, Michigan
3. Johannesburg, South Africa
3. Brazil

/pullingstatisticsouttamyass
 
2004-07-24 08:39:20 AM
Maui Haui

1. Washington, DC

Don't mean to troll, guns are completley illegal (except for the government) yet they have one of the higest muster rates in the world. Bagdad is a safer place, that tells you how much DC sucks.

/off to work now, talk later.
 
2004-07-24 08:49:26 AM
What the fark? There's collecting and then there's having a god damn arsenal. You could arm a farking company with that much fire power.
 
2004-07-24 08:56:10 AM
Interesting, I was thinking of going today to participate in my own little guns for cash program. Of course I'll be the one starting with the cash and ending with the gun.
 
2004-07-24 09:00:26 AM
If her father was a serious collector she probably could have done much better selling the lot to another collector or through an auction house. Getting muskets off the street is probably beyond the intent of even this futile program.
 
2004-07-24 09:20:05 AM
With the exchange rates between the US and Brazil right now, $65,000 in Brazil is $21,450 in the US. That becomes the equivalent of $16.50 per gun in US dollars. I wouldn't doubt that some of those guns were collectors items, worth thousands of dollars. I would also bet that even though her Dad owned 1300 guns, he never shot anyone. Many gun collectors never shoot and gun thay own for fear of the gun losing its value.
 
2004-07-24 09:21:58 AM
The entire program is a stupidity. The rules are: You must ask for a permit to carry the gun from your home to the police station. You must sign a form, provide a bank acount, your data and wait 30 days to the money be cashed in.


Oh, some things are not well explained. IF the gun returned is identified as a gun used in a crime, will you have imunity? No? Yes? If yes, Ill wack my mother-in-law, return the still smoking gun, and drink a few beers.


NO bad guy is returning anything. Period. Also, the price list is a joke. Handguns pay R$100 (around US$30). Semi and automatic weapons like AK-47 pay R$300. COME ON!!! I sent a letter to the newspapers offering R$400 cash and no questions for a M16 or AK47. In the hill near my home a single semi-automatic AR-15 is sold by bad guys for R$6000.


PS: Jimmi, Brazilian money is called "Real".
 
2004-07-24 09:22:56 AM
Crosshair / Galland:

Around here they have a buyback program about every two years. It's a great chance for pawn shops to get $50 apiece for inoperable "Saturday Night Specials" which are worthless. The "collections" do need to be screened for curios or antiques which are rare museum type pieces. It would be a shame to chop up a rare gun which when sold might fund the entire buy-back program. A good example would be Jack Ruby's gun which is currently owned by his family.
 
2004-07-24 09:35:24 AM
You know one of those guns had to be worth 65k alone, what a shame. I feel like Smeagol when Frodo through the ring into the volcano.

/geek
 
2004-07-24 09:49:49 AM
 
2004-07-24 10:29:32 AM
Her father spent his life collecting these relic's and she handed them to the police??? ASSHAT! musium would have been more appropriot, now theyr off to the recycler.
 
2004-07-24 10:47:31 AM
Petter

hahaha, my dumb mistake
 
2004-07-24 10:55:08 AM
go_fish

musium would have been more appropriot, now theyr off to the recycler.

You are certainly brave to post something like that on FARK. Why don't you just wear a "kick me" sign.

hope I don't have to explain why
 
2004-07-24 11:04:32 AM
They never mention that gun buy-backs are great places for criminals to quickly dispose of weapons used in a crime while getting a little something for it.
 
2004-07-24 11:04:44 AM
PS: Jimmi, Brazilian money is called "Real".

Only officially. Unofficially it's called, "Whaddya mean ya don't have greenbacks? Get the fark outta here."
 
2004-07-24 11:08:51 AM
Maui Haui

Muder rates per 100,000 (using Int'l Criminal Stats, 2000):

(Colombia 59)
50.14 South Africa
21.40 Russia
10.00 Lithuania
_9.94 Estonia
_6.22 Latvia
_5.64 U.S.A.

Colombia has a murder rate, but for some reason they weren't listed. So that leaves South Africa at the top by default. It's worth mentioning that while SA does allow private ownership of guns, more than half of their murders are committed without guns. Both the rate and the method of the murders is likely attributed to the fact that there have been tribal wars in SA for the last several years. It's also noteworthy that all of the other countries on this list (other than the USA, of course) strictly forbid the private ownership of guns.

As for Brazil's buyback program, I suspect that there would be lines of law-abiding citizens turning in their guns, but I don't suppose the criminals will join them in disarming.
 
2004-07-24 11:10:59 AM
Uh-oh, Spaghetti-O's!
 
2004-07-24 11:22:12 AM
At least the neighborhood crooks know where it's safe and where to get some cash now w/no risk.
 
2004-07-24 11:40:34 AM
thanks for the info cardoso.

21K is still a good bit of money in USD but as someone else said, the guy probably had some guns in that collection that could have been worth half that amount by themselves.

and as for cardoso's comment:

"Oh, some things are not well explained. IF the gun returned is identified as a gun used in a crime, will you have imunity? No? Yes? If yes, Ill wack my mother-in-law, return the still smoking gun, and drink a few beers.

i like that. Check into it for me cause my wife moved her mother in with us.

/just kidding
 
2004-07-24 11:56:18 AM
As for Brazil's buyback program, I suspect that there would be lines of law-abiding citizens turning in their guns, but I don't suppose the criminals will join them in disarming.

And I won't be terribly surprised if some of the buy-back guns make their way back on the street in under-the-table deals. Corruption is a fun game the whole world can enjoy!
 
2004-07-24 12:08:26 PM
um, I submitted this yesterday with a much funnier headline.

Brazilian woman turns in 1,300 weapons in a cash for guns program. Charlton Heston, still being chased by an upright monkey, unavailable for comment.
 
2004-07-24 12:20:19 PM
wow..one word comes to mind...DUMBASS!!...not only did you screw yourself out of probally 10 times as much money, you probally bankrupted a program that would be used to pull the guns off the street that were dangerous..gun buy backs DONT work...not at all..people are under the false idea that criminals buy their guns from gun stores. They buy them from people that sell guns that have been stolen or smuggled into the country...a "hot" mac 9, a thug favorite, was selling for like 85 bucks on the streets of detroit a few years ago..even a semi auto one costs like 200 bucks legit..

don't make more laws, make the ones you have work
 
2004-07-24 12:21:40 PM
Broads just can't wait to get their hands on your good stuff.... so they can give it away or throw it in the trash.
 
2004-07-24 12:22:57 PM
It certainly sounds like this woman was ripped off.

Gun-buyback programs are great for the people that sponser them. They get to pull such wonderful and meaningless statistics out of their asses come election time.

20,000 'saturday night' (racist) specials are off the streets.

What they don't mention is that I know that 10 of those 'saturday night' specials were old rusted pieces of crap from my personal collection. I am now planning on what firearm to purchase with my "winnings".

Once they ban firearms, they are going to ban paintball/airsoft guns. It would only be a matter of time for criminals to realize that they can make a very simple, albeit crude, weapon using the trigger assembly/firing mechanism. Hell, they make zip guns in prison out of a spring, screw, and steel tube. Imagine what someone could build with even modest metal working tools.

What really will irk the police then is that the new homemade guns will be completely untracable.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2004-07-24 12:28:08 PM
Man, this is just sad. No matter what you think of guns, we're probably not talking about Saturday Night Specials and pimp guns here. Nobody collects those. People collect things that have future or past value, or have a unique history. At very least, I'd have made a deal with the local gov't to display some of the better ones.

On a related note: Do you know what happens to the guns in those buy-back programs we have here in the U.S.? They get made into manhole covers and heart-string-tugging, pointless statues and such. Do you know what happens to the (sometimes very expensive, pre-ban) magazines those guns come with? No? Well, let's just say that it's good to know someone fairly high up in municipal government.

And on that note, I'm off to the Scottsdale Gun Club with my dad to get some use out of his titanium membership. There's just nothing like shooting all day in any of 8 private lanes and then getting a free cleaning while you wait in the special lounge...

/cold, dead hands
 
2004-07-24 12:40:34 PM
When muskets are outlawed, only outlaws will have muskets.

/had to say it
 
2004-07-24 01:23:00 PM
QUICK LESSON IN HISTORY:

1. Prior to 1917, all narcotics were legal in this country, but nobody wanted them. As soon as that ended, all hell broke loose and consumption skyrocketed. People who used to be content to eat opium were forced to shoot heroin, and the law quickly gave rise to a huge black market;

2. From 1919 to 1933, liquor was illegal in this country, with just about the same result: people who used to be happy with mild beer and wine made do with 160-proof "bathtub gin", and cutting of whiskey with poisonous methanol blinded and killed thousands of people, hence the term: "Blind drunk." Once again consumption skyrocketed, and the money subsidized a massive ring of organized crime;

3. Prior to 1937, marijuana was legal in this country but almost no one smoked it. Since then it has become so popular it is nearly ubiquitous, and also much more powerful. As with liquor and narcotics before, a huge black market thrives;

4. Prior to 1967, LSD was legal in America, but almost impossible to obtain. Since then we have STP, PCP, MDA, Extasy, Eve, and a veritable "alphabet soup" of designer drugs; "goofy blotter" is sold in every Junior High, probably every grade school as well.

5. Now that gun control is being seriously proposed, I am getting inundated with books about how to make your own dynamite, build your own bombs, etc.

Based on 100 years of history, I would say it is obvious: everytime anything is forbidden, people find something else that is worse.

Chew on it.
 
2004-07-24 01:26:57 PM
"Lacerated", how DARE you utter such a racist statement as to infer that South Africans murder one another 10 times more frequently than Americans; don't you know that's politically incorrect?

I quoted the same statistic in a thread a month ago, and got shamed flitless for even suggesting that those benevolent black Africans, wonderful people that they are, would ever do such a thing.

Tsk, tsk. . . . .
 
2004-07-24 02:00:59 PM
Painball guns are still OK, but plastic replicas, kid plastic green-molded rifles are not kosher. I finished filling the form at www.airgunstore.com but decided to check. No, I cant legally import a BB gun in Brazil, but I can buy a stinger missile or a rifle-launched grenade, if I want (of course its illegal, but if both are, why stick with the toy stuff?)
 
2004-07-24 02:49:30 PM
"It's also noteworthy that all of the other countries on this list (other than the USA, of course) strictly forbid the private ownership of guns."---------Lacerated

Russia doesnt "forbid" the private ownership of guns. Pistols and full auto are out the window there, but you can own rifles and shotguns with a permit.
Its better than New Jersey, California, NYC, or DC, but its no wonderland.
 
2004-07-24 03:58:50 PM
Well, there's a whole lot of dumbasses who don't understand the buyback programs.

That's 1300 legal guns sitting idle that cannot be stolen and turned into illegal guns. What, you think felons buy their guns in shops?
 
2004-07-24 04:13:37 PM
You guys keep evoking the exchange rate, without taking into account that the article already uses the US Dollar. With the exchange rate, her purchasing power is closer to $195,000 here in the US. With her gun ownership about to become illegal, it would be highly unlikely she could find a buyer offering a better price.

The way I see it, the less guns out there, the better it is for everyone. We all know the statistics on gun ownership.
 
2004-07-24 04:14:42 PM
I like how they call them "buy-back" programs as if governments are selling them in the first place.

A referendum will be held in 2005 on whether to ban gun sales outright.

Oh good, then they can enjoy the crime-free splendor that Austrailia, the UK, and Washington D.C. know so well.
 
2004-07-24 04:28:56 PM
I will buy any of your guns for $25 each any day of the week. Any takers???

Anyone???

Beuller????

The reason there are no takers is because $25 for a gun (any gun) is a ripoff. The government does not have this program because it actually believes that it will accomplish any decrease in gun violence. The reason that this program exists is so that the government can claim that it is being "progressive" in its efforts to fight crime and get guns off the streets without pissing off gun lobbyists and manufacturers. It is all show, and nothing else.

/obvious
 
2004-07-24 05:34:20 PM
hahah, what a great scam.
 
2004-07-24 06:19:23 PM
Mom?
 
2004-07-24 06:25:54 PM
I once witnessed some stupid coont bring in a beautiful matched set of German (merkel?) double barrel shotguns in 16 and 12 gauge for a gun buyback. I'm not sure of how much they were worth but I'll bet it was more than the $100 each she was given for them. There was also a nice Colt single action that was brought in.

I asked if they were going to check to see if any of them were stolen so they could be returned to their rightful owner they said they were taken with no questions asked and destroyed. I took a hideously broken jennings .380 that I scavenged from a gunsmith friends junk drawer so I could get a an easy $100 bucks. The proceeds helped buy a new Glock. Take that you ignorant tools.
 
2004-07-24 07:14:24 PM
The ultimate crime novel,

1. Buy illegal gun and extra insurance.
2. Kill wife.
3. Turn gun into buyback program.
4. Collect insurance money from wifes death.
4. Profit.
 
2004-07-24 11:12:38 PM
quick...sell your car for 20 bucks before someone steals it and commits a crime..
 
2004-07-25 02:10:38 AM
Guns are great!
 
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