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herne		2004-07-22 04:55:52 PM

BlindMan - and besides, what came out of Seattle that you can't find on a Husker Du record a decade before? (Candy Apple Grey, specifically was brilliant)

EmilyK		2004-07-22 04:56:20 PM

Those who know anything at all about music know who I'm talking about.

If I admit I don't, will you tell me what the hell you're talking about please?

Gothnet		2004-07-22 04:56:22 PM

Portishead are great!

Beth gibbons has a lovely voice IMHO. She should be singing in a cocktail lounge at a swanky hotel....

Also, anyone else here remember a band called "Sharkboy"?

palexc		2004-07-22 04:57:33 PM

BlindMan
Mariah Carey's voice isn't sexy though. Beth Gibbons puts lust in her signing, it's hot.

That being said, I'd give both testicles for one night with Tanya Donnelly.

martijn		2004-07-22 04:58:24 PM

Threads like this make you realise how little you know about music. You could spend a lifetime listening to other peoples' recommendations and still not hear the half of it.

nullandvoid		2004-07-22 04:58:41 PM

Gothnet:

Heh, yep. Upsetting the fundie types is/was half the fun.

But oddly, as much fun as it was, I still can't get away from the music, dark colors and Burton/Gorey type imagery.

</poorly recovering>

EmilyK		2004-07-22 04:59:03 PM

Thera

I need more Maker's Mark, then. *glug*

me too.
coming right up.

this is the THIRD John Mellencamp song this station has played in as many hours. I am getting a brain aneurysm.

/okay gotta run home to beat the rain

Mad_Gypsy		2004-07-22 04:59:28 PM

oh yeah, I forgot, currently listening to Tool doing an amazing cover of No Quarter

palexc		2004-07-22 04:59:32 PM

and besides, what came out of Seattle that you can't find on a Husker Du record a decade before? (Candy Apple Grey, specifically was brilliant)

rawk. Sugar ruled way better than most grunge bands too. If you ever get to see Bob perform solo-acoustic you'll be blown away.

Jean-Puc_Licard		2004-07-22 05:00:06 PM

Right now, I'm listening to a reexamination of Paganini's Caprice 24, rendered entirely in flatulence by a consumptive monk from Brussels.

I like the flatulence solo in Unclefukka.

annie_fannie		2004-07-22 05:00:18 PM

I'm so goth I'm dead...

keylock71		2004-07-22 05:00:42 PM

I grew up on a steady diet of Hardcore in the early to mid-eighties. I always hated bands like the Cure.

As luck would have it, I ended up playing bass in a band called Bug, with a skinhead lead singer , who was a Cure freak. Nothing funnier than a 6 foot tall skinhead prancing around to the Cure.

He's a XO on some kind of frigate now. Life's funny sometimes.

I still don't like the Cure, though.

phrightener		2004-07-22 05:01:52 PM

Forget GOTH.

SKA LIVES ON!

sonicpurge		2004-07-22 05:01:58 PM

Husker Du, Sugar and Bob have put on some of the most intense shows I've ever been to. Also, Greg Norton is a wonderful chef. I've had the pleasure to eat at his establishments a few times when I lived back in MN.

felixecho		2004-07-22 05:02:59 PM

macabre

Props for mentioning Placebo. Their albums just keep getting better. If you can forgive the occasional clinker songs.
"youre the one whos always choking trojan
Youre the one whos showers always golden"

That song makes me laugh.

I also love Morrissey, and The Cure.
So sue me!

herne		2004-07-22 05:03:44 PM

palexc -And lets not forget the most underestimated rock band in history:

pardeekid		2004-07-22 05:03:55 PM

This post is some what sentimental.

Had been on fark.com for months, but never joined. A goth thread w/ a mention of the Castle, pulled us in.

In an Ironic (using it correctly), never posted. Read all couple hundred posts. These links have a 5hr shelf life. By then, it was desserted.

The Castle had a mgr, that was a skrate up blonde crossdresser. Every Monday, a guy would be there- Chubby, hairy, mid 50's... wearing nut'n but a diaper & cowboy boots.

/Good (&weird) times

P-Out

BlindMan		2004-07-22 05:04:14 PM

martijn

'Threads like this make you realise how little you know about music. You could spend a lifetime listening to other peoples' recommendations and still not hear the half of it.'

You kick ass for having that response. The typical response?

'What are these weirdos on about? I'm going back to listen to FM Radio where it's safe! Oh, oh, oh... Is that a new Ruben Studdard single!'

whatshisname		2004-07-22 05:04:23 PM

SKA LIVES ON!

The Specials reunion! Woohoo!

amishrobot		2004-07-22 05:04:52 PM

"Threads like this make you realise how little you know about music. You could spend a lifetime listening to other peoples' recommendations and still not hear the half of it."

That's what's so great about it. And the internet makes it soooo much easier. After spending the 90's lamenting the sorry state of music, I've gotten off my ass and discovered tons of great stuff on independents or privately published.

/Check out http://www.nouvellesvagues.com/ for a really cool lounge version of "A Forest"

ReallyCraptastic		2004-07-22 05:06:04 PM

OK this is the pops.

Gothnet		2004-07-22 05:06:45 PM

nullandvoid
I'm more slowly drifting away from it than recovering.
The pointy boots and dress-shirts still come out once in a while,but usually these days I'm content with black jeans and an "All About Eve" T-shirt.

I do feel a sense of loss though, like something I loved, or another time of life that was so fsking amazing,and now is gone.

/getting old
//only 25!

BlindMan		2004-07-22 05:07:29 PM

felixecho

'Props for mentioning Placebo. Their albums just keep getting better. If you can forgive the occasional clinker songs.'

I love Placebo, but I just can't agree that they keep getting better...

Placebo>Without You I'm Nothing>Black Market Music>Sleeping With Ghosts (although still > than) - anything on the radio.

whatshisname		2004-07-22 05:07:31 PM

After spending the 90's lamenting the sorry state of music, I've gotten off my ass and discovered tons of great stuff on independents or privately published.

Me too. Any recommendations out there on decent, current bands?

Trouble		2004-07-22 05:07:37 PM

Another update

Now listening to:
Squarepusher - Feed Me Weird Things

palexc		2004-07-22 05:07:58 PM

The Specials reunion! Woohoo!

Are you farking serious?!

martijn		2004-07-22 05:08:48 PM

EmilyK

A few years ago they tried to advertise a John Mellencamp compilation in the UK with the tagline "You know more John Mellencamp songs than you think".

Only it turned out people didn't. Everyone knew Jack & Diane. Nobody knew anything else.

herne		2004-07-22 05:09:36 PM

Ska was a fun sound, but in the 80s Rockabilly was by far the best subculture. Ran with Ska/Mods one night as basically a harder edge retro fashion, and Punks the next because pyschobilly avoided the cliche Punk became better, and the Goths eat it up for the dark side (though with healthy fear).

whatshisname		2004-07-22 05:10:39 PM

palexc

Yes, the Specials are talking about a reunion gig.

http://www.coventryobserver.co.uk/news/default1.asp?id=566

jarbabyj		2004-07-22 05:11:51 PM

Listening to right now:

Zeromancer - Eurotrashiatried to be goth for a short time in 1999. I found the shoes and skirts to be highly uncomfortable. So now i'm a chick in khakis and t-shirts, no tattoos, no piercings, that listens to industrial metal.

herne		2004-07-22 05:12:26 PM

whatshisname - I caught one of the Specials tours in the late 90s and they were still loads of fun, but it was the Selector that floored me with their energy.

Mad_Gypsy		2004-07-22 05:13:35 PM

For all parties that haven't seen it SA did a great post about the "Return" of the Cure http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2216

At the bottom of the page is an even better comparision of a Velvet Revolver (please lord....kill them) and a Bauhaus (Yes lil gother kids, they did more songs than "Bela Lugosi's Dead) video

martijn		2004-07-22 05:16:23 PM

I was just listening to Bauhaus. Just their cover of Ziggy Stardust though.

BlindMan		2004-07-22 05:16:27 PM

PM whatshisname

'After spending the 90's lamenting the sorry state of music, I've gotten off my ass and discovered tons of great stuff on independents or privately published.'

Me too. Any recommendations out there on decent, current bands?'

I can't say how independent they really are but:

INTERPOL - Turn on the Bright Lights...
Sounds like what Joy Division might have sounded like with better musicians (sorry New Order fans).

SIGUR ROS - ()
Spooky (happy?) mostly instrumental music from Iceland? Yeah it's a little pretentious, but it kind of deserves to be... How can a country with like ten people have so many great bands?

GODSPEED YOU BLACK EMPEROR! - Lift Your Skinny Fists
As above, only not from iceland, way spookier, and almost all acoustic. Brian Eno + the Moscow Philharmonic + Bad Acid.

LOW - Things we Lost in the Fire
Imagine a great song. Now imagine the same great song only SLOWER. Now think ten times slower and two times better, and you've got the idea.

Or if you need something happier:

THE SHINS - Chutes Too Narrow
Take regular pop song structures and zap them with a magical MAKE BETTER ray, then zap with the BETTER LYRICS ray and there you go.

Gothnet		2004-07-22 05:17:09 PM

Mad_Gypsy
Always loved their cover of Ziggy Stardust and "Mask" gets me for some reason.

kasarul		2004-07-22 05:17:15 PM

Black hair and white makeup = Old and Busted
Mohawks and leather jackets = Teh new hotness

Swap em every 4 years or so.

LukeCage		2004-07-22 05:17:52 PM

daffy_duck....good one but no.

amishrobot		2004-07-22 05:20:27 PM

whatshisname
Off the top of my head:
TV on the Radio (indie)
Blonde Redhead (indie)
Joan as Policewoman (indie)
Freezepop (synthpop)
Xiu Xiu (arthouse)
Cee-Lo (hiphop)
Two Lone Swordsmen (electronic)
Ellen Allien (electronic)
Bola (ambient)
Hayden (country)

Sorry for the lack of links, but that would take me too long. You should be able to find them all with a quick google search.

martijn		2004-07-22 05:21:26 PM

To reprise the 'what are we listening to' spot:

Morning Rain by I Am Kloot

felixecho		2004-07-22 05:21:46 PM

Hehe. Ive seen at least one guy in my area with the mohawk. A really tall one too. I could tell he thought he was really unique and origional.

Who am I to scoff though? Im the type of person EVERYONE looks down on. Since I gained weight I have known that even retarded people = cooler then ole Felixecho.

At least my 3 year old thinks Im cool...for now.

SweetFarkness		2004-07-22 05:21:48 PM

ccc1138 -
The Cure should loose respect for pimping one of their ass songs for a HP commerical.

Despite the bad spellings, I will attempt to address this.
The Cure were with Fiction (Elektra) until 2002. Due to the corporate music copyright crap, which I admit to not fully understanding, they basically did not have control of the usage of their back catalog. They were also under contract to release one more album for Fiction. (the lamentable "Greatest Hits") Robert and the guys in the band agreed to allow the commercial use of a couple of their songs in order to regain the rights to their back catalog.

When they finally regained this control, they not only released the four-disc compilation "Join the Dots" which is a great source of cd-quality remastered B-sides, but they also started making plans to re-release newly remastered versions of all of their albums. The re-release of the older material has been pushed back to later this year due to the new tour. The album re-releases are supposedly each going to be accompanied by a disc containing previously unreleased material from the same era of the album.

With that being said, I'm an old-skool Cure fan (20+ years) who never lost the obsession, obviously. I'm going to two dates of the Curiosa festival and I think the new album has some great moments, although I am astonished that some of the best material was actually left off the US release. The US version only has 11 of 15 new tracks, and the four missing tracks are some of the best new material I've heard.

If you like The Cure at all, I recommend checking out these tracks - This Morning, Going Nowhere, Truth, Goodness and Beauty and Fake. Some of them are available on iTunes or Napster. You can also hear some live versions on the Chain of Flowers website, which should be a regular stop for any real Cure fan.

/also has the Mega Tone version of JLH as the cellphone ringer

mralphabet		2004-07-22 05:22:53 PM

The Cure's seminal "goth" album was Pornography in 1982, that was well before it became trendy and bands like London After Midnight were trying to do their best imitation of Anne Rice novels. The Cure really isn't goth, they play various forms of pop, and it's all good...

Jean-Puc_Licard		2004-07-22 05:23:18 PM

Arnold_Ziffel		2004-07-22 05:23:24 PM

Did they get any better after this?

cthu1hu		2004-07-22 05:24:04 PM

I went with a friend to an outdoor Weezer concert and inadvertently stepped into some kind of EMO culture warp. Thousands of young kids, all looking exactly the same - not a single person I could see was smoking, drinking beer, fighting.. The most well behaved, mild bunch of weirdos I've ever encountered. It still chills me to the bone..

Forks		2004-07-22 05:24:36 PM

the funniest thing about this topic is that all of these young farkers think they won't be looking old and lame someday. so critical of aging, yet none of us can do anything about it. times change and so does style, but the Cure is one of the best bands from their time, hands down. look at all the influence they've had on the newer bands that are out today.

keep on thinking youre gonna be cool and hip forever, young bastards. ill be reveling in your inevitable decline.

whatshisname		2004-07-22 05:25:43 PM

amishrobot, BlindMan - many thanks

herne
Love the Selecter. English Beat and early Madness as well.

BlindMan		2004-07-22 05:26:09 PM

amishrobot

Oh how I despise TV On the Radio!

What makes them the 'it' band of the minute? I'm guessing white guilt from indie scenesters, because those guys are farking terrible (yeah, yeah, I don't care what The Liars think, they aren't so hot either, if you ask me).

Black folks making music that soulless is probably some kind of brave anti-stereotype cultural statement, but I'm not listening to it even so.

/If that one guy doesn't quit squealing (does he thing he's singing?) I'm seriously going to buy tickets to one of their overhyped shows just to throw a bottle at the stage.