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(Chicago Breaking News)   Saudi's pissed about new dress code for female service members.   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 202
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2002-01-24 09:56:06 AM  
Methinks that [image from img.fark.com too old to be available] applies here.
 
2002-01-24 09:57:50 AM  
Can we just get on with building the pipelines from the Caspian so that we can leave these people to wallow in the 7th Century?
 
2002-01-24 10:00:25 AM  
fark a buncha pullstarts. we should make all saudi women wear thong bikinis when they come to merica.
 
2002-01-24 10:01:41 AM  
The Saudis, like the Israelis and Chinese, are the beneficiaries of so much undeserved American good will (for the number of human rights violations that occur in their respective countries) that it's time we at least showed them that we aren't their biatch.
 
2002-01-24 10:01:45 AM  
"Saudi's pissed..."

Only one Saudi is pissed?
 
2002-01-24 10:02:16 AM  
No one here wants to see those wildebeasts Toddlerarm.
 
2002-01-24 10:02:51 AM  
f them, f their "laws", f their oil (thanks to the Russians)
 
2002-01-24 10:04:06 AM  
Either Saudi Arabia lets us run our military (men and women are equal) or we should just get out of there and let Saudi Arabia fend for themselves. If it weren't for oil, we wouldn't be there in the first place.
 
2002-01-24 10:06:15 AM  
The lesson Afghanistan can learn from Saudi Arabia is:

It doesn't matter how you treat your citizens, as long as you provide the U.S. with oil, money, and a military base on occasion.
 
2002-01-24 10:08:45 AM  
No shiat, Sherlock.

I knew that this would be a big issue ever since I heard of it. It's so stupid...stupid silver leaf biatch doesn't understand the fragility in our relationship with the Saudis. They've been looking for a reason to kick us out for years, and this could be the straw that broke the camel's back. Great. And to top that off, the government in Turkey is saying our lease on Incirlik (the base used for Operation Northern Watch, enforcing the northern no fly zone) is running out soon, too. So now, we're gonna have NO bases with which to monitor Iraq, unless we expand Diego Rivera, which probably won't happen. Great job, biatch. Great job. WTF are you doing going off of PSAB anyway? Stay the fark on base and shut the hell up. Stupid biatch.

/rant
 
2002-01-24 10:13:36 AM  
Oh, they're just pissed because they feel their male dominated culture is threatened. Excuse me, but in the Arab nations in general, to be a woman ranks right up there with the pile of camel shiat in the street. What would be truly hysterical is if the mataween or whatever those bastards weilding clubs are called decided to beat a US servicewoman and got their asses kicked.
 
2002-01-24 10:13:38 AM  
I want a fuel cell car.
 
2002-01-24 10:14:50 AM  
you know, i've been reading the crap you underaged piss ants spew out about saudi arabia for a while and while i certainly understand the root of your, ahem, "views," hearing ignorant rants and careless insults thrown about gets really annoying really fast.

if you had any idea about the history of u.s. saudi relations, perhaps we could actually have a normal conversation instead of this litany of pseudo-liberal conformist equine hokey.

and none of this "i am a vagina" oil argument either. you simpletons are a disgrace to web denzien slackers. if you can't accept the fact that economics makes the world go round and not idealistic society, you have already lost.
 
2002-01-24 10:15:11 AM  
Granted that there are alot of whiney biatches in the service... But I'd rather see our service women issued an old Colt .45, three mag's, a cartrage belt with a drop holster, and a bikini.

After that...
Let the fun begin!

Stupid farking Saudi assholes.
 
2002-01-24 10:15:32 AM  
"There must be no exceptions in enforcing the Islamic dress code in Saudi streets. No one of any nationality is exempt in the eyes of religion," he said.

What a bunch of archaic cave men. Grow up or get a seeing eye dog for your whacked out code of brainwashing.
 
2002-01-24 10:16:07 AM  
"But if some American women want to deliberately challenge our local customs, then you'll see a clash, especially with the mutawaeen," he said, referring to stick-wielding religious police who roam Saudi streets to enforce Islamic codes.

Hmmm... sounds a bit like the police the Taliban had. And people wonder that these farks are so willing to kill themselves. If I lived in a society that was so full of repressed farks I wouldn't mind blowing myself up too much either.
 
2002-01-24 10:17:48 AM  
Mesh, understand that some people won't change. And we need PSAB more than Saudi needs us. They hold the cards here, not us. We can't just knock on a hostile country's door and say "We're going to set up a base in your country. Deal with it." If we piss off the Saudis, there will be no US presence in the middle east.
 
2002-01-24 10:17:59 AM  
If we insist on being there we should adhere to local mores and laws. Simple as that.
 
2002-01-24 10:19:46 AM  
Deus: I do agree that our relationship with Saudi is vital to the national interest. I just think that it's finally come time when we make changes that will end our dependence on oppressive dictatorships. The US would benefit from a stable, democratic Russia. The US would also benefit if we'd finally stand up to the damn oil companies and start advancing in our energy technology instead of wallowing in early the 20th Century technology of burning dirty fossil fuels. I'm all for the advancement of humankind, but I'm beginning to think that the Middle East is a lost cause. Let the rest of us march on together and leave them to decide if they want to live in the 7th Century or the 21st.
 
2002-01-24 10:19:48 AM  
If Saudi Arabian clerics and the royal family don't like it, let them hire their own mercenaries to protect their asses. Personally, I'm tired of my tax money going to keep them and the oil companies safe.
 
2002-01-24 10:21:36 AM  
Cultural Darwinism...

The only thing that keeps their young people from dressing, dancing, and partying like Westerners (Europeans, American, etc) is the gun wielding fundies.

In 50 years or less, Saudi will be a watered down, Disney version of an Islamic state. Women will be driving cars, sunbathing topless at the beaches and kids will be smoking pot.
 
2002-01-24 10:21:54 AM  
WorldCitizen, oh I completely agree. But until that day comes, we need to be gentle with the middle east. I'd love to be able to give OPEC the finger and drive off in our solar powered cars, but I'm not holding my breath til it happens.
 
2002-01-24 10:22:30 AM  
I would just like to say that in my apartment and hotel buildings, U.S. Service Women usually wear maid uniforms or cocktail dresses and we have never had a single complaint.
 
2002-01-24 10:23:04 AM  
The Saudi's are as worse as the Taliban. Hell, most terrorist funding comes from sources within Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden is a Saudi. Most of the terrorists involved with the 9/11 attacks were Saudi.

Why do we continue to suck their dicks? Because of oil. Why don't we make a stronger push to move away from an oil economy? Because the politicians who make decisions like that wouldn't get their big checks in the mail from the rich farks who own companies reliant on controlling oil...
 
2002-01-24 10:25:08 AM  
We shouldn't be there.
We should pull out and let Saddam roll into Saudi and take over Mecca.
That would make the Muslim world sh*t soup.
They only have about 50 years worth of oil left anyway.
Time to get that Russian deal going in earnest.
Don't need em. All they do is create more terrorists to attack us.
Buh bye!
 
2002-01-24 10:28:54 AM  
You mean the constitution actually applies when americans are in other countries.....imagine that! And all this time I thought as long as I was in another country, my laws no longer apply. I guess I'm going to jail for all that ganja I smoked in Jamacia man!
 
2002-01-24 10:28:57 AM  
Nerme, try reading up a little before you start spewing nonsense. We're in Saudi Arabia because we need a platform to launch Operation Southern Watch. Without PSAB, there's no viable area to enforce the southern no fly zone in Iraq.
 
2002-01-24 10:29:08 AM  
Deus, so you think we should suck the Saudi's dicks to get what we want from them? That's a whore's mentality. While they are free to inforce these archaic customs onto their own people, insisting that US service women adhere to them as well is bullshiat. Excuse me, but I disagree that we need the Saudi's more than they need us. We might need to put the military base in their country, but they need us to cover their asses. Who the fark do they call when they get freaked out and some asshole like Saddam Husien threatens their oil wells? It suck as fucl< ain't goddamned Ghostbusters. Having our military bases in their country has an advantage for them as well.
 
2002-01-24 10:29:12 AM  
Now I know the "gulf war" was all about oil, but how can we "free" a people who still virtually enslave more than half of their population in the name of religion. As far as im concerned if islam died today id be happy(hell make it all religions and im buying the first round,but for the big 3 islam deff is the worst-my OP sorry)
 
2002-01-24 10:30:18 AM  
If we dont buy the oil, someone else will. We do need to be there. Our entire economy is based on cheap fuel. If the prices increase to, Euro levels, we are farked.
 
2002-01-24 10:31:36 AM  
Air Force pilot Martha E. McSally.
One helluva man.
 
2002-01-24 10:33:32 AM  
Hey WorldCitizen...just curious, why HAVEN'T we hit up Russia? I mean, we're good friends with Putin, right? What's the wait? I've never read anything about us and Russia...I wonder if it's a viable option or not.
 
2002-01-24 10:35:42 AM  
Deus wrote:
"If we piss off the Saudis, there will be no US presence in the middle east."

I think the Israeli's would disagree with you.

As far as I'm concerned the difference between the Taliban and Saudi Arabia is negligible. With our own reserves and Russia's we are becoming less dependent on Saudi oil. And if the federal government ever get's their shiat together and mandates that detroit come up with more fuel efficient vehicles we'll be even more independent of them.

I'm not saying there wouldn't be some pains associated with abandoning Saudi, but I do think it'd be in our best interests to do it.
 
2002-01-24 10:37:54 AM  
Icepick: That is true in the short term. We Americans are historically terrible at looking beyond just a few years at best. Right at this moment we are totally dependent on the Saudis. They are the ones that keep OPEC in check. If they cut off their oil supply to us tomorrow our ecomony would take a massive jump off of a cliff. This is a terrible situation to be in and I sometimes can't believe we just allow ourselves to be in this position for the oil man. We need to do two things: 1) Work with Russia and other former Soviet republics to build their oil infrustructure as well as diversify our oil sources around the world as much as possible. 2) Use the technology we have to get ourselves off of the oil nipple. We're growing up now and we have the technologies out there to move on. Hell, if the government is too afraid of the oil industry to outright go around them, then "encourage" the oil industry to develop the new energy techs. That way, they have something to fall back on to make their profits as we ween ourselves from oil. It is undisputed that eventually we are going to run out of oil. We better damn well come up with something before then. Even if the oil supply starts to dwindle it will have devestating effects on the economy if no new techs are developed as oil prices will go thru the roof.
 
2002-01-24 10:38:03 AM  
Just a thought: what is a stick-wielding policeman going to do if (when) they confront an American servicewomen packing a sidearm?
 
2002-01-24 10:39:07 AM  
Stank Hippie said:

As far as I'm concerned the difference between the Taliban and Saudi Arabia is negligible

I don't remember the Saudi's dragging people into abandoned soccer stadiums and executing them en masse. Other than tha t the big diffence is money.
 
2002-01-24 10:39:10 AM  
Vote: Should US keep forces in Saudi Arabia?

Yes: 25%
No: 75%
 
2002-01-24 10:39:26 AM  
Saw on CNN this morning that Syria is preparing to be our friend, so I would guess this is why we are able to take a more civilized line with these cretins.
 
2002-01-24 10:42:05 AM  
Pigeonstopper: I would agree that it is a complicated situtation, and was wondering if you planned on offering up anything constructive? Or did you just drop in to rant? (Which is ok too- but a little hypocritical from the content of your post.)
 
2002-01-24 10:42:53 AM  
Deus: I'm not sure. I'm also not sure that we don't have something going with them. The Russians have been pretty willing to give OPEC the finger since September 11. It's a win-win situation really. The Russians get to rebuild their economy and stabilize their democracy and we get a more stable, more Western oil source. As we build an interdependent trade relationship, the chances of war and conflict fall considerably. However, my guess is that there are some old Cold Warriors in pretty high places on both sides that still don't trust each other.
 
2002-01-24 10:45:11 AM  
Icecycle, that's interesting. Syria....but last I heard Syria is chock full of terrorists. Who knows though, maybe the government there has more control over the population than Arafat has over his.
 
2002-01-24 10:46:14 AM  
Stank: From what I understand, the Taliban style of Islam is based on the Saudi style of Islam; 'Wahibism' or something like that. There is one major difference. The Saudis don't support terrorists on their soil. Of course, the Saudis do support Muslim "schools" which train people to hate the west and join terrorist organizations outside of Saudi Arabia. This funding is done with money that we give them for oil. I say let the extremists take over Saudi Arabia. When they stop selling us oil, they stop getting the money to "educate" terrorist wannabes. It'll hurt our economy, but we'll benefit in the long run.
 
2002-01-24 10:47:10 AM  
When in Rome...
 
2002-01-24 10:47:43 AM  
fark me if i'm wrong here, but didn't we get along just fine without a base in Saudi Arabia before Desert Storm? Obviously, the base makes things easier, but at what cost? Every time the base in SA is mentioned, its importance is held under the guise of enforcing the no fly zones and "watching saddam". Perhaps we should do something to reduce the "risk" of saddam so we can give the saudi farkers their precious acres of desert back to them.
 
2002-01-24 10:48:03 AM  
WC: yeah, I could see that as a roadblock. I mean, I'd bet money that Tommy Franks has more than once in his life referred to Putin as a "damn commie bastard" or something similar.
 
2002-01-24 10:49:14 AM  
So this would mean that if the saudi women come into any of our countries then it should be considered an insult for them to wear their burqua's...but NO we do not see it that way...

Let the service women wear their standard issued uniforms & don't make them cover up..why should they,it is not their beliefs afterall and it is not like they choose to be there...

Just my opinion!!!
 
2002-01-24 10:50:12 AM  
WC: I agree with you, but I think its gonna take alot to "force" the US to embrace alternative energy. The Oil Companies have too many resources available: money and influence. (Same thing, I know.) We probably wont get serious until we're up against it.
 
2002-01-24 10:51:32 AM  
I say leave Saudi Arabia. fark the oil. Let's drill in ANWR, and get serious about conservation.

The price for fooling around in that part of the world goes up daily.
 
2002-01-24 10:51:35 AM  
"If we piss off the Saudis, there will be no US presence in the middle east."

True. I'd agree with WorldCitizen. The middle east is a write-off. Move oil dependence and promote other forms of energy. (just mho)
 
2002-01-24 10:54:07 AM  
Jewels: I really do hate to disagree with you, but, the service women did volunteer to be in the service. That entails that they adhere to military policies. in this case is has been to wear traditional islamic dress. (I think it sucks, too, but if we're there, then we need to adhere....)
 
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