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(SecularHumanist)   Is the high price of guided ordinance keeping you from blowing up what you want to? Perhaps you should look into a faith based missle.   (secularhumanism.org) divider line 151
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2002-01-25 12:04:37 AM
Hmm, will Bush want a faith-based missile shield now? Let's not hand out ideas any more than we have to.
 
2002-01-25 12:05:47 AM
I already have a faith-based missile...

...its in my pants...

...bow to it.
 
2002-01-25 12:06:19 AM
Cool! I used to work for that organization...never met Dawkins though....
 
2002-01-25 12:11:28 AM
If I submitted a link at 11:30 tonight, any chance it'll make it into the post-midnight queue? Or would it show up tomorrow, if it makes it at all?
 
2002-01-25 12:11:34 AM
*gasp* they talked about the WTC. censor them!
 
2002-01-25 12:12:26 AM
couldnt we just develop a stupid-seeking missile, and sorta forget to put the safety on one day?
 
2002-01-25 12:12:44 AM
My faith shows me that this thread, will at some point, involve a flame war about religion.
 
2002-01-25 12:13:05 AM
Jplas, I would imagine it makes it into the queue immediately. It only matters whenever the admins decide to take a break from drinking and throw us a few links.
 
2002-01-25 12:14:08 AM
Well, there's usually a barage of links just after midnight, and I didn't know when they selected which links to put in that group.
 
2002-01-25 12:15:24 AM
Jplas

I submitted tons of links and I never got posted...I would have thought that at least my post about Micropenises would get posted--but alas it did not....
 
2002-01-25 12:16:22 AM
Well, if you contribute to my fund to become a mod for a day, I'd be happy to tell you the exact details of how it works, once I am admin.
 
2002-01-25 12:17:04 AM
Yeah, I know it's not easy to get posted. I was just wondering, if I was lucky enough to be chosen, when the earliest it would appear would be. I hate showing up for my own threads late......
 
2002-01-25 12:17:17 AM
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
 
2002-01-25 12:17:52 AM
And the count shall be three. Four, should not be reached. Twoo should only be reached if followed by the number threee, seeing as the number counted is three. five is right out.

Ok poorly quoted but you get the idea.
 
2002-01-25 12:18:01 AM
Quick, I'd love to if I had more money. You don't have any personal agenda to push like the last two, did you?
 
2002-01-25 12:19:18 AM
But anyway, back to the article...I think it's pretty simplistic to simply blame "religion" for the evils of this world....it's a lot more complicated than that.
 
2002-01-25 12:19:30 AM
Yes, I have an agenda to get people to give me money.
 
2002-01-25 12:20:08 AM
Secular humanists, atheists, agnostics, Catholics, Baptists,Muslims, Buddhists,_______, et al are as intolerant as the next. Somebody always wants to be better______ than the other.
They all suck.
That's an absolute truth.
 
2002-01-25 12:20:19 AM
But anyway, back to the article...I think it's pretty simplistic to simply blame "religion" for the evils of this world....it's a lot more complicated than that.

Of course it's more complicated than that. He forgot to blame the U.S. for all the world's problems, too. :)
 
2002-01-25 12:23:13 AM
Qualial, maybe your micropenis story didn't get posted because It's sad and disturbing?
 
2002-01-25 12:26:04 AM
I like the analogy of the terrorists minds with that of pigeons.
 
2002-01-25 12:29:09 AM
Heh. This is soo true. Religion does just fine, until it gets into the hands of some downtrodden, psychologically traumitized sociopath... then all hell breaks loose.

Just imagine if someone told you that all you had to do to claim your attractive virgins was fly a plane into a building. Belief drives people to do insane things. Sometimes they are good, but the bad things they are capable of under the influence of belief are so horrible that they outweigh any possible good.
 
2002-01-25 12:35:07 AM
But anyway, back to the article...I think it's pretty simplistic to simply blame "religion" for the evils of this world....it's a lot more complicated than that.

I don't know about that, people have done some pretty heinous things in the name of their God. Part of it may be that many religions have at least some flavor of us against the infidels. Islam has a whole set of rules on exactly how to deal with Infidels (and no they do not all include flying a plane into his house). Judaism has a definite superiority complex going on when it comes to the subject of the infidel. And Christianity... well when convenient they fall back on the whole Old Testament idea of driving the unclean from the promised land.
Blaming Religion for the evils of the world is not to far off the mark when you take a good long look at it.
 
2002-01-25 12:36:36 AM
That's a whole lotta words.
 
2002-01-25 12:39:08 AM
It's easy for leaders to use popular belief to stir up the masses against "The Other", but at the same time, sometimes there are legit political reasons and grievences (like the Israeli occupation of Palestine, Northern and Regular Ireland, ect...)

Religion, even ones that claim to be "Fundamentalist" and true to the text, always adapt their belief system to the current political conditions around them. Sometimes they turn out wacky--sometimes they turn out good.
 
2002-01-25 12:39:48 AM
"Religion teaches the dangerous nonsense that death is not the end."

Considering that it can't possibly be proven that death is or is not the end, I'm not sure why this guy seems so sure. I thought he was a scientist. In the absence of evidence for either case, he has no reason to assume he knows the truth.
 
2002-01-25 12:40:50 AM
Gee, the way this article reads, authoritarianism doesn't exist outside of religion. I guess those tens of millions who were killed in the Red Purges by atheists were just some sort of "fluke" then.
 
2002-01-25 12:41:19 AM
I'm sorry, I should've stayed away--this thread has enough logins starting with "Q" already.
 
2002-01-25 12:42:11 AM
Yeah, stay out of my thread, dammit! ;)
 
2002-01-25 12:42:11 AM
Qualial: all drink to that. It's not a huge leap of logic to realize that Osama, the Saudi princes, etc, none of them truly believe in their state religion. They simply use it as leverage to get the morons in line.

And nothing makes morons line up like the promise of virgins.

As for some of those examples, while the Isreali occupation is a legit example, the Nothertn Ireland conflict is ENTIRELY religious. It's catholics vs Protestants, pure and simple.

The only other example I can think of is the Basques, and that's cause the Basques are crazy mofos.
 
2002-01-25 12:42:59 AM
Something I find strange is that most people have a huge problem with say, a teacher, indoctrinating kids with their political and social beliefs. And especially after September 11th, people looked at the madrassas in the Middle East with horror as they indoctrinate children with extreme religious, political and social beliefs. Yet, here in America, there is nothing wrong with forcing a child into Sunday school, and religious schools (our madrassas) instead of other private or public schools.
 
2002-01-25 12:44:52 AM
Is the high price of guided ordinance keeping you ...

Er, Um, I'm not going to read this, however, I would guess the word is "ordnance".
 
2002-01-25 12:45:39 AM
Hear the one about the kamikaze pilot who made flying ace?
 
2002-01-25 12:45:52 AM
Quarlie that goes into the long debate over wether or not our reality is a dualist or materialist reality. In a dualist reality it is possible for the 'soul' to carry on with out the flesh. In the materialist reality everything must be material and therefore if a physical component for the soul cannot be found then there cannot be a soul. All religions, with the exceptions of a few sects of Buhdism, preach a dualist reality; most scientists subscribe to the materialist idea of reality. The reason for this is that most scientists deal with what can be observed and dualist philosophy states that the 'place' where the soul resides cannot be observed or measured; which goes completely counter to the ideas of science.
 
2002-01-25 12:46:34 AM
Er, Um, I'm not going to read this, however, I would guess the word is "ordnance".

Actually, it IS spelled ordinance.
 
2002-01-25 12:48:03 AM
The funny thing is, pretty much any fundy Christian could be convinced to blow people up... if they were downtrodden enough.

USA calls Al Qaeda monsters because we haven't had enough of a pressure cooker environment to allow belief to take the wheel... you can bet if any fundy (of any religion, except perhaps Buddhism) got stomped on enough (or just thought they were being stomped on) they wouldn't have too much trouble convincing themselves that it was god's will to walk inot a nightclub and blow themselves up.

Just look at Northern Ireland. Christian fundies fighting... OTHER Christian fundies!
 
2002-01-25 12:48:51 AM
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2002-01-25 12:48:56 AM
Army: I don't think people have a problem with their children being indoctrinated, they just have this "wacky" notion that if anyone has the right to do it, they do. Funny how that responsibility of taking care of their kids seems to make people think they have a right to guide their own children. </sarcasm>
 
2002-01-25 12:52:21 AM
They should sell these "martyrs" on Ebay. Imagine, weapons guidance on the cheap! Plus rake in a few bucks for the cause.
 
2002-01-25 12:53:19 AM
Shuh: Sure! everyone has a right to teach their kids whatever they want! Including:

- Homophobia
- Racism
- That blowing yourself up in a jetfuel powered inferno is a pefectly good solution to your problems

Some things shouldn't be indoctrinated (should anything?). Taught, maybe. Indoctrinated, not a chance. And Sunday school, religious school, and various other religious instistutions are indoctrination at its finest.
 
2002-01-25 12:53:28 AM
Shuh

True! I'd probably "indoctrate" my kids to believe the same political system I believe in...

If I don't do it, someone else will-and I probably wouldn't like the results---kinda like that "sex cliche" "If you don't teach your kids about drugs, someone else will", ect ect....
 
2002-01-25 12:53:45 AM
"Considering that it can't possibly be proven that death is or is not the end, I'm not sure why this guy seems so sure."

Funny, the churches seem sure, and they have the same lack of evidence.

We could do this missile thing easily: "Here, Billy. Play this version of Unreal Tournament, where you guide the redeemer into the enemy fortress. We've hooked this special gaming pod up to motion sensors, so you'll feel like you're being launched! When you win, your parents will get a check for $5,000, which should cover the cost of all the Ritalin you've consumed over your lifetime."
 
2002-01-25 12:53:48 AM
Code: "The reason for this is that most scientists deal with what can be observed and dualist philosophy states that the 'place' where the soul resides cannot be observed or measured; which goes completely counter to the ideas of science."

And science is the last word on anything because: "if it doesn't fit in a test tube, it's not important." I better go to sleep soon; my sarcasm gland is over-active tonight.
 
2002-01-25 12:54:08 AM
Shuh But they don't think that people in the Middle East are allowed to do the same thing. So obviously, there is a discrepancy in what they think is right for themselves and what they think is right for others.

I was pointing out that they don't think anyone has the right to do it with their own kids. While on the other hand Americans should have that right.
 
2002-01-25 12:54:17 AM
Yeah Rakshasa we just have a couple of loner crack pots who either beat gays to death because they are "sodomites", or blow up an abortion clinic so they will stop killing the babies (don't worry about the people actually inside the clinic). We got our own brand of dangerous fundies around here, they are just not as commonplace as they are else where. And it may be because the people here are not as downtrodden, though I am not sure how many fundie crack pots come from the middle class and how many of them are trailer trash....
 
2002-01-25 12:56:37 AM
ArmyOfFun:

Don't offer me faith
I've got all that I need here
My faith is growing,
Growing tight against the seam
 
2002-01-25 12:58:58 AM
Loner crack pots today, armies of god fearing plane crashing, anthrax mailing nutballs tomorrow!

"God bless America".... riiiight
 
2002-01-25 01:03:05 AM
Code_Archaeologist: ...most scientists subscribe to the materialist idea of reality. The reason for this is that most scientists deal with what can be observed and dualist philosophy states that the 'place' where the soul resides cannot be observed or measured; which goes completely counter to the ideas of science.

That's exactly right, which is why I have a problem with his statement. Science deals with what can be proven false. A post-death existence cannot be proven false, or true, so nobody on either side can be sure that the other view is "wrong."
 
2002-01-25 01:06:57 AM
Rakshasa: "Some things shouldn't be indoctrinated (should anything?). Taught, maybe. Indoctrinated, not a chance. And Sunday school, religious school, and various other religious instistutions are indoctrination at its finest."

Wow... you sound like you know what should and shouldn't be taught to people... you would be a perfect "fundamentalist!"
 
2002-01-25 01:07:58 AM
Nanookanano:

Yep. Douglas Adams wrote a skit about him:

COMM You are a kamikaze pilot?
PILOT Yes sir.
COMM What are you?
PILOT A kamikaze pilot sir.
COMM And what is your function as a kamikaze pilot?
PILOT To lay my life down for the Emperor sir!
COMM How many missions have you flown on?
PILOT Nineteen sir.
 
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