too2ez

Thanks. Maybe I'll finish it. :)

"hold me close now Tony Danza"
who can argue with that?

Perhaps you could have been more accurate in your invective had you mentioned that this was an accident?

An accident? Like it was just a coincidence the boy killed in the other car happened to be her boyfriend.

Kinda like it was just a coincidence Cheney used to work for Halliburton.

Kinda like it was just a coincidence Bush's military records were lost which note his failure to report to the flight surgeon who would administer drug tests.

etc.

mikeyb_houtex:Shut up, biatch.

/me couldn't resist

"We're at war"

K then why does the administration do what ever it like/ can get away with that goes against every Geneva convention but when it helps them they claim, "Oh but we are ar war and I'm a War president."

It doesn't go both ways. But I will say it before someone else does yes the powers that we are fighting do not wear a uniform nor do they belong to one Nation. We are fighting a group of people who believe in a common belief, and when you come right down to it this is a war between religions.

Liberal celebrities need to put their money where their mouth is. When was the last time one ran for office? It's one thing to state your opinion, another to do so in a heated campaign.

where did you find your pretend girlfriend?

Tenafly, New Jersey of all places. She attended Harvard University (magna cum laude), is fluent in Chinese and what the hell, let's give her an Academy Award too.

spelunking_defenestrator --
It is not the CIA's job to define the political side's wants.
It is, however, their job to do their mission properly even if the political side desires otherwise.
If, for instance, the administration requested that the FBI and IRS dedicate assets to digging up dirt on Kerry, the FBI and IRS would have a moral, and probably legal, duty to refuse. I would even suggest that in that case they might have a duty to publicize the improper nature of that request.

First lady Laura Bush loves Elton. She was listening to "Funeral for a Friend" on the radio when she ran a stop sign in Austin and killed that 17 year old boy.

This is getting ugly. Something tells me political discourse if going to get decidedly more uncivil as November approaches. It's a tragedy that the most important decision the world will face in the next year will be characterized not by intelligent discussion but by appeals to the absolute lowest common denominator. The old adage is true I guess: "People get precisely the kind of government they deserve."

2004-07-17 04:47:00 PM SherKhan
[where did you find your pretend girlfriend?]
Tenafly, New Jersey of all places. She attended Harvard University (magna cum laude), is fluent in Chinese and what the hell, let's give her an Academy Award too.

That was goddamn fabulous.

I blame everyone...but me

Why, that biatch.

newmoonpuppyhead
Bush has delayed a final reckoning on Iraq's forbidden weapons by naming a commission that will not report its findings until after the election.

What commission does this reference? Are you saying that Bush had control over the Senate Intell Commitee? I don't believe he is that powerful. And if he is that powerful how can he be the moron that the libs keep screaming about? If you go to the trouble of cut/paste, how about putting the context in there with it?


And as far as the 'manly' debate inuendo, I guess the irony of that comment versus your San Francisco "source" is totally lost on you.

The American media is controlled by a relatively small group, and literally decides (in many cases) what is going to be 'news'. Some dude in California may have killed his pregnant wife and is on trial? Holy shiat that is some important news, really impacts most of our lives. Our vice president worked for a company that is benefitting massively from his administration's foreign policy and he may be indicted by France? That isn't nearly as important....

The point of this is the mainstream American media essentially censors ideas by harping on 'marketable' news and ignoring unpleasant social and political truths that either aren't as flashy or might anger someone who can impact their business greatly. This is why things such as the FCC having power to lodge astronomical fines for 'indecency' are terrible for this country. Contrary to patriotic rhetoric,ideas can be censored by things other than direct government action.

Elton John thinks ... (insert political thought here)

Run for the bathroom before you wet your pants from laughing so hard.

Why does Elton John hate America?

Perhaps you could have been more accurate in your invective had you mentioned that this was an accident?

An accident? She ran a stop sign. That is not an "accident" that is breaking the law.

Not only did Laura Bush break the law and not have to pay a penalty, she killed an innocent young boy.

It's got nothing to do with my "invective". She killed somebody in a hit and run accident that was her fault and she got clean away with it, she's never suffered any repercussions.

Our first lady is a hit and run killer and we rarely hear a peep about it. I can't imagine Hillary would have enjoyed the same media discretion if her reckless driving had killed somebody.

Rye_ spies with his awry eye
Something that is wry.

SherKhan's pretend girlfriend sure likes her ice cream.

haha. you'd expect something else out of that fairy?

2004-07-17 04:38:13 PM st8kdryver

I'm not saying it's Bush's fault for using bad info regarding 9/11, the fault for that spreads far and wide. Clinton, the CIA, Bush, Senate intelligence all could have done much more to protect us.

I'm talking about Iraq, which is entirely separate, saying he only listened to agreeable info.

Korovyov

spelunking_defenestrator --
The president is the president, not the director of Central Intelligence. The CIA is supposed to do its own vetting rather than inundating the White House with bogosities; after all, it's the CIA itself that would have the ability to check with corroborating sources, to investigate just who's feeding information and what their motives might be, and so forth. The White House should in theory be able to trust the agencies to do their job, or else it'd need a freakin' huge staff and its own separate intelligence agency (which would have to do vetting).
If the CIA just trusted its assumptions and lapped up everything that the INC fed them -- as it seems might have happened -- then the CIA did not do its job; they might as well just have just trucked over bookshelves of rumors copied off of web forums. They're supposed to be a filter so that the policy makers don't HAVE to wade through piles of crap.

I believe the INC information came through Dick Cheney's "office on iraq" or whatever it was called, as the CIA was reportedly never able to debrief "curveball" themselves, but had to rely on second-hand word... (from everything I've seen)

There was also the DIA, which didn't seem to be quite as gung-ho as the CIA, but who were promptly not listened to...

I found it interesting that Colin Powell allegedly threw out 75% of the information he was given to present to the Security council...
Maybe that should have been a sign?

04:26:35 PM GuyCaballero: You're right. It's a shame, though, that conservatives are so quick to blacklist artists for remarks that don't jibe with their view of the world. You'd likely never see liberals burning Arnold Schwarzenegger's DVDs in effigy for his comments about homosexuals and his membership in the Rebublican Party, at least not in large numbers, at any rate. That kind of activity seems to be much more prevalent among conservatives.

Do you recall the campaign that was launched against Anita Bryant over her viewpoint on gays? Or against Rush Limbaugh over his viewpoint on everything? Boycotts of products they endorsed or advertised, personal attacks, demands they be taken off the air, now an ongoing attempt to get Limbaugh taken off of Armed Forces Radio, even though he's extremely popular. Many conservative entertainers are reluctant to reveal it for fear of reprisal by those who hire them or their fellow entertainers. Kelsey Grammar's revelation that he's a Republican was treated like he was coming out of the closet, not just announcing that he's in the same political camp as half of his fellow citizens. For every example of this against the left, I can give you one against the right.

Are you now trying to help prove my point? They found out that there was bad intell after they had accepted this intell as gospel just like the Congress, Bush, Clinton, and many others.

What really makes people like you look like raving morons is the fact that LOTS of people, myself included, could see that the intelligence was crap long before it became so obvious that the Bush admin or the NY Times or you were forced to admit it.

Go back and read the foreign press's coverage of Powell's speech at the U.N. Hell, about a 1/3 of the American pieces on the speech mentioned how flimsy the evidence was.

If I could see how bad it was, I would expect the NY Times to see it too. And I sure as hell would hope that the president and his advisors would see it for what it was. Either they didn't, and are therefore completely incompetent, or they lied. I think the latter is more likely.

That you fell for it, on the other hand, doesn't really surprise me.

I bet it really bothers you that the UN didn't buy the rationale for going war, thought the evidence of WMD was shaky and contradicted by their own inspectors, and THEY WERE RIGHT!

Before this gets way too far jacked
It's time we brought the topic back
Elton John said Bush the bully
I agree but not quite fully.

I wonder if ClearChannel will invite Elton to play at their next gathering of stars who love free speech and democracy.

Maybe Elton will do a duet with Merle Haggard. "This ain't no rag, it's a ..." Hmmm. What rhymes with rag?

@niroth: I am sure the laundry headed fanatics greatly appreciate your willing ness to call this a "war between religions". Particuarly as that is what the fanatics wish to convey. Of course, by any definition you can muster, it is not. This is proved simply by the obvious fact that we as Americans are made up of all religions. Add into this that we are returning control of both Afganistan and Iraq back over to Moslem governments. It is not a war, these scum are neither soldiers or heros to anyone but themselves. There actions are simply bullying thugs using terrorism and religious fanatacism to meet there own agendas. I would even ponder calling them "people" considering there track record.

Patriotism is for farking sheeps. Seriously, together with religion, patriotism must be one of the greatest inventions to rule the masses EVER. I understand why people use it all the time to favor their agendas, who wouldn't? It's so damn effective. But allowing myself to be used like that? Nah, I don't think so. I'm smarter than that. I'm glad you aren't though. =)

I'm still blaming RIAA for the crappy quality of music today.

No matter who's to blame:
The songs remains teh lame
You might pronounce me teh daft
But I still blame that bastard Taft

/teh is teh funny still isn't it?

*Gasp* Back on topic? Shoot. Ummmm-

Because a man who wears neon, flamingo-shaped sunglasses and pink feather boas can always be counted on for accurate, timely analysis.

You want a a flame war, I'll give you a flame war. For all you goose-stepping Republicans who must follow and embrace the "party doctrine", here's a little something for you to think about. I must preface this with the fact that I'm a registered Independent. It's always been said that Republicans are for less government. That's a load of B.S.!!! Republicans don't want to pay taxes and don't want the government to pay for social services. This seems ironic with your party's current president, who's spent more than anything Democrat could ever dream. As a matter of fact, look at the national debt, look at the three presidents whose administrations contributed most to the debt. They were Republicans. Ronnie, George I and George II.

But I digress. It seems that Republicans want the government to control the populace. This can be seem in actions to control free speech, *See Mikey Powell and the FCC*. They want abortion outlawed. They seem to want to trivialize the constitution to add socially controlling admendments, flag-burning, gay marriage etc. History should have taught us that you cannot legislate morality, *See the failure of Prohibition*. Republicans appear to be annoyed by the Bill of Rights. I'd bet most Republicans would eliminate most of the ten. *That would be amendments 1,3,4,5,6,8,9 and 10.* the 2nd admendment has to stay because one wouldn't want to piss off the NRA. The 7th is a who cares amendment. Republicans really have a problem with the 1st amendment. They hate free speech, there is no free press anymore and they really hate the separation of church and state. They want a theocracy. I'm sure that most Republicans would love to get rid of the 14th amendment as well. " Due process & Equal protection? We don't need no stinkin Due process & Equal protection. I'm sure some Southern Republicans would love to eliminate the 13th and 15th admendments as well. It's funny that all these Southern Republicans used to be Southern Democrats in political ideology. Kinda seems strange considering that Lincoln was a Republican.

To sum up my rantings & ravings is that Republican are hipocrits. They preach less government but what they really want is more control.

Flame away. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it." Ya'll know no Republican could have ever come of with this quote.

spelunking_

I'm talking about Iraq, which is entirely separate, saying he only listened to agreeable info.

The report from the commitee stated that "group think' caused nothing but agreeable info to be presented. It just does not hold water to say that Bush wanted to go to Iraq just to get oil, he lied, and he entered into this action for ulterior motives. I am not trying to convince you to like the man, but you just seem to reasonable to really believe these conspiracy theories.

I also think newmoonpuppy head is jealous

04:49:04 PM GuyCaballero: The old adage is true I guess: "People get precisely the kind of government they deserve."

If the US government is an example of what we deserve, we're definitely all bound for hell.

Guy Caballero:

"You'd likely never see liberals burning Arnold Schwarzenegger's DVDs in effigy for his comments about homosexuals and his membership in the Rebublican Party, at least not in large numbers, at any rate. That kind of activity seems to be much more prevalent among conservatives."

Look up:

1)Anita Bryant
2)Dr. Laura

It seems the left only screams "censorship" when leftists are involved. Elitist, hypocritical assholes.

BigJake

That's odd, dumbass, the Constitution specifically grants all rights to the people unless stated otherwise in the Constitution. STFU.

OK dumfark, I'll say this slowly so you can understand. The Constitution's 10th Amendment states:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

This has nothing at all to do with rights. This means that the legitimate powers of the United States Government consist ONLY of those specifically outlined in the Constitution, and no more. It means that everything else that a governmental organization may need to do (like, say, take out the garbage) cannot be handled by the Federal government, but must be handled by a state government or other governments set up by the people (counties, cities, improvement districts, etc.) GOD you are thick.

groupthink is doubleplusgood.

This picture belongs in here for more reasons than one. Not my photoshop.

2004-07-17 05:05:18 PM Po3

You've done it too much to ignore, and I think Fark should double as a learning forum.

There = A place to visit.
Their = A thing that Lou and Macy claim to own.
They're = A contraction for "they are".

The weird thing is, these all sound alike. They certainly are spelled differently though, aren't they?

Next week: Its.

we can only begin to imagine the documents cyansis is pulling off freerepublic as we speak, ready for rapid inject into the thread

i was wrong, he's already started

A high coup indeed
Ennui soldiers on and on
Lactose tolerant

Ghost of Saint Crispin
We few, we teh happy few
We band of brothers.

2004-07-17 04:40:06 PM oldebayer

Odd, too, how the very same people who are so loud in supporting the right of rich people to write checks and buy more "free speech" than the rest of us condemn Elton John, who, last I heard, was very, very rich, for being an airhead. Apparently, only rich airheads who agree with YOU have any rights?


Nope. They can write checks for ads all they want (though I don't know about a foreigner doing it.) I will continue to call them airheads.

weaver?

too2ez

Tune up yer guitar.

Bin Ladens are traveling tonight on a plane
I can see the New York lights
or maybe it's smoldering flames, oh and
I can see Dubya waving goodbye
God but it can't be Dubya
must be the smoke in my eyes

enter Big Brother
you are stronger than me, and I know who's to blame
for the scars on that day
three thousand died
Cheney runs and hides
Dubya you're a star
in the neocon sky...

Bin Ladens are traveling tonight on a plane
I can see the New York lights
or maybe it's smoldering flames, oh and
I can see Dubya waving goodbye
God but it can't be Dubya
must be the smoke in my eyes

@Sofla I to am an independant, and while I am not going to take sides I find it Ironic that someone whould hand out an insult along the lines of "all you goose-stepping Republicans" and still have the audacity to quote Voltaire. Are you shamless or simply moronic?