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2004-07-17 10:15:06 AM  
...well, they're both people, so I guess she has that going for her.
 
2004-07-17 11:12:20 AM  
And they are both....

Going to run for president and win?
 
2004-07-17 12:03:06 PM  
They both have a penis?
 
2004-07-17 12:17:31 PM  
Attica! Attica! Attica!
 
2004-07-17 12:51:33 PM  
"I didn't cheat the little people"

Martha, if any of my 401k's lost value because of your hijinks, then you cheated me.

Shut the fark up, biatch.
 
2004-07-17 01:57:14 PM  
Martha, like Mandela, should have never been sent to jail. Or arrested. Or charged for that matter. After that the similarities are pretty much superficial. There are thousands of people who have done much worse and have actually made a much more direct negative impact on the wealth of the little people. And that is just in government. The problem here is the government. Corporations are getting flack because they tried to hide a few million in debt and spending to look good for the stockholders. The government regularly hides billions in debt and spending through tricky accounting and they come off as the good guys that we must put in charge of protecting us from the corporations. While a corporation or a wealthy individual's first concern is with their own profit, they still have to have the cooperation of the public. They can't survive if we don't use their services. The government requires no such cooperation. Their cooperation is taken at the barrel of a gun. They demand the money and it is taken from us with little practical say in the matter. This whole fiasco of Enron, Martha Stewart, and the rest is little more than a witch hunt of small time white collar crooks so taht the government can look like they are getting "tough on crime" when the real criminals are holding elected and appointed public offices taking away our hard earned money and liberties in order to provide themselves with great power and wealth.
 
2004-07-17 02:02:54 PM  
The real reason she's getting jail time is that this type of crime is next to impossible to catch and/or prosecute. So they want to scare people into not doing it.
 
2004-07-17 03:23:28 PM  
"The real reason she's getting jail time is that this type of crime is next to impossible to catch and/or prosecute. So they want to scare people into not doing it."

DING!-DING!-DING! EatHam has it right on the money. I worked fairly close to some higher-ups for a couple of years in the oil industry, and the sort of thing she did happens all the time.
 
2004-07-17 03:29:53 PM  
You mean Martha Stewart is a commie terrorist?
 
2004-07-17 05:38:33 PM  
"...at her peak, Martha Stewart owned 60% of K-Mart, and 40% of her own soul."
/I love the 90s
 
2004-07-17 05:46:58 PM  
Mandela was an inspirational hero.

Martha made great sheets.

/See's no comparison.
 
2004-07-17 05:47:05 PM  
I'm sorry Martha, you are the weakest link. Goodbye!
 
2004-07-17 05:48:40 PM  
That article was not what I would call highly stimulating, from a sexual point of view.
 
2004-07-17 05:48:59 PM  
I don't get it. One is a thief and another one was a political prisoner.

/go figure
 
2004-07-17 05:49:14 PM  
I think she was trying to call me a little person! 5' 7" is not little!

I hate tall people.
 
2004-07-17 05:49:25 PM  
I'm glad that biatch is going to prison (if the appeal is thrown out)
 
2004-07-17 05:49:26 PM  
I compare her comments to another Nelson. Nelson Muntz.

(Somebody, please?)
 
2004-07-17 05:49:49 PM  
Mandela? No way. She's more like Moses. Or maybe Captain Kirk.

Seriously, she's really getting the shaft on this. The last thing the US needs is more people in jail. Give her a hefty fine and let's all just move on.
 
2004-07-17 05:51:08 PM  
isnt jealousy beautiful?

guess what, sure, martha is in jail, but the little people are still little.

what martha did wasnt even wrong! it was the only thing to do in her shoes! if someone told me that my investment was about to go south, and they knew what they were talking about, hell, id sell the stuff. who wouldnt!

the criminal here is the broker who gave out the illegal information.

Mandela is a hero, but of late he has been an asshat
 
2004-07-17 05:51:30 PM  
Stewart, like Boesky and Milken, is a Lion of Capitalism. Since we can find people who are comparatively worse, we can moral-relativist ourselves into a warm-wet-blanket sense of indignation b/c profit means moral high ground, no?

.
 
2004-07-17 05:52:29 PM  
Martha did rip someone off: the poor sap who bought the stock just before it tanked. That individual lost money.
 
2004-07-17 05:52:33 PM  
Martha for President!

Just imagine how snappy the White House would look!
 
LH
2004-07-17 05:54:22 PM  
"isnt jealousy beautiful?

guess what, sure, martha is in jail, but the little people are still little.

what martha did wasnt even wrong! it was the only thing to do in her shoes! if someone told me that my investment was about to go south, and they knew what they were talking about, hell, id sell the stuff. who wouldnt!

the criminal here is the broker who gave out the illegal information.

Mandela is a hero, but of late he has been an asshat"

She was convicted of lying to investigators. Its been said if she came clean and didnt lie she probably would have never come close to a jail cell.
 
2004-07-17 05:56:14 PM  
she should get the chair!
 
2004-07-17 05:58:41 PM  
"what martha did wasnt even wrong! it was the only thing to do in her shoes! if someone told me that my investment was about to go south, and they knew what they were talking about, hell, id sell the stuff. who wouldnt!"

And here we have yet another example of not being able to grasp the concept of insider trading and how it is illegal. "Wrong" or not, this isn't an issue of morals; it is a legal issue and will be dealt with accordingly. Come on, people.
 
2004-07-17 05:59:45 PM  
She definetly needs to go to jail!! We need to hit the 3,000,000 people in prison mark as soon as possible, why not include the rich and famous?
 
2004-07-17 06:01:23 PM  
If the stock was about to tank, wouldn't the little people get farked anyway? Technically, it's more like "not getting farked along with the little people"
 
2004-07-17 06:01:47 PM  
In her defense, they are both racists.
 
2004-07-17 06:02:19 PM  
Shoulda had Johnny Cochran for defense......

"if the oven ain't lit, you must acquit!"

/really bad, goes back to sc
 
2004-07-17 06:04:04 PM  
Still the best part of the article:

"Stewart, in a pre-recorded interview aired Friday night on ABC's 20/20, was asked by Barbara Walters how she would cope with prison life, including strip searches, if she loses her appeal. I could do it," Stewart said. "I'm a really good camper. I can sleep on the ground.

Somehow I don't think it's going to be like camp sweetheart.
 
2004-07-17 06:04:48 PM  
I'm happy Martha is going to serve time for her crime. I know lots of people are all "boo hoo... there are worse people then her!"... but screw that. If you lie, you deserve the punishment for such an action. Let's look at it another way.

If YOU were in court... and I was on the stand. If I lied about what really happened and YOU were the one who was going to take the blame for the crime... don't you think that is wrong? Don't you think it's more important to tell the truth then to LIE to save your own skin?

Yes... I realize that there are LOTS of people who have done things that are FAR worse then this who don't end up serving jail time. But most of them DON'T GET CAUGHT!

She tried to make a mockery of our courts by lieing to try and save her own ass... and she thought, "They won't punish me, I'm Martha Stewart". The woman is a fake and a liar and as far as I'm concerned, she got what she deserved. Now let's just hope that other people who do similar things get exactly what they deserve too.
 
2004-07-17 06:06:22 PM  
"Martha did rip someone off: the poor sap who bought the stock just before it tanked. That individual lost money."

The stock would have tanked regardless of what Martha did and the poor sap would have lost money regardless. In fact, by selling, Martha may have caused the price to decrease a small bit (by the laws of supply and demand) and therefore may have prevented that poor sap from paying as much for his stock before it tanked.
 
2004-07-17 06:07:00 PM  
priest, martha didnt cause the stock to fail, buddy
in fact, that person who bought the stock just before it tanked would be ahead handily if he held on to it and sold it today.

but that doesnt fit with your hollywood villian view of the world, 'eh?
 
2004-07-17 06:07:31 PM  
"many, many good people have gone to prison."

This isn't one of 'em.

And is that celulite on her face? WTF?
 
2004-07-17 06:09:57 PM  
I hope she gets her nose broken on some bull dyke's pubic bone.
 
2004-07-17 06:10:19 PM  
not a fan, but i think her demented mind was trying to say that people have served a lot longer than 5 months and she'll be ok.
that said, she ain't no mandela, not even a winnie.
 
2004-07-17 06:11:04 PM  
I can compare Martha Stewart to Nelson Mandela. Here goes: Nelson Mandela was a wrongfully imprisoned hero. Martha Stewart, on the other hand, is a total biatch criminal.
 
2004-07-17 06:11:50 PM  
 
2004-07-17 06:13:03 PM  
lh, she was convicted of a crime because she is a criminal, that much is correct.

funny how some people go on to great richness after lying to investigators and courts.

dont kid yourself, if Martha was not who she was, she would have been treated differently.

Our system should be a fair one. What you did should determine punishment, not who you are.

She deserved a fine. She is going to prison. That is not acceptable, though the MTV crowd loves it.
 
2004-07-17 06:46:55 PM  
As other people have said, the main issue is the fact that she lied. She was dishonest, she deserves jail, and the fact that there are worse is irrelevant. That's like not sending a guy who kills one person to jail, because hey there are mass murderers out there! Reading that article, I wanted to vomit every time she made some self-pitying comment. Or some testament to her own strength.

Martha Stewart is a little person? Yeah, ethically...
 
2004-07-17 06:49:03 PM  
[Attica! Attica! Attica!]

That pretty much killed the thread for me....
 
2004-07-17 06:57:38 PM  


Ohhh dear me, poor poor Martha we love you so much.

Fear not, despite the persecution of the jealous lower classes you're still such a hero to all us white collar criminals, we know that the only reason you are in the can is because those dreadful lower class plebs refuse to accept the obvious and just truth that the law is meant to control them and is not supposed to apply to their betters.

Look on the bright side, when released you will make a fortune from interviews, books and speaking engagements, we won't let a great American hero like you suffer for too long.

Those of us who really matter pity you almost as much as you pity yourself.

God bless my money err, I mean America.
 
2004-07-17 07:00:04 PM  
Note also that she isn't even being tried for lying in court (what Bill Clinton did), but making a couple of false statements to investigators not lying under oath in a trial. Still wrong, it wastes government resources, but it deserves only a fine and (maybe) some house arrest, not 5 months in jail.
 
2004-07-17 07:01:39 PM  
The only similarity I can think of is that they both really ****ing old.
 
2004-07-17 07:09:36 PM  
thyocyan

I hate tall people.

I'm 6'6" now STFU before I pound you farther into the ground with my penis !
 
2004-07-17 07:14:13 PM  
I'm 6'4.

this reminds me of the lyric 'short people ain't got no reason to live'
 
2004-07-17 07:17:56 PM  
The presiding judge fined her $30,000. Comparatively speaking, that's about the cost of a month's Netflix membership in my household.

Ah, well. It's not as though this hasn't happened before or will never happen again.
 
2004-07-17 07:24:01 PM  
Martha Stewart should be put in blackface and treated to a little apartheid.
 
2004-07-17 07:41:11 PM  
She didn't compare herself directly to Manedela, I saw the interview, it was just the first thing that popped into her head about someone who had went to prison and came out a better person. You could see her mind racing to come up with someone.
 
2004-07-17 07:46:34 PM  
he read magazines in prison, she'll be writing them?

/hoping to be quoted in CBS marketplace
 
2004-07-17 07:47:08 PM  


quick and nasty from martha website...
 
2004-07-17 08:07:58 PM  
i really HATE being the Grammar Nazi, but Martha would want you to know...

Too damned many of you people do not seem to know the difference between "than" and "then"!
Than is for comparison.
Then is for time reference!

/tomorrow... "it's"
 
2004-07-17 08:12:33 PM  
"Ms. Stewart, I know Nelson Mandela. I served with him.

You are no Nelson Mandela."

/heavy paraphrasing
 
2004-07-17 08:15:00 PM  
Obviously she's not as good as person as O. J. Simpson, since she was convicted and he was acquitted.

/puts weenie on stick
 
2004-07-17 08:22:49 PM  
A thorough reading of the above comments reveals a surprising finding. It appears that those with the weakest grasp of the situation, the poorest understanding of just what she is being punished for, have the most vehement expressions of why she SHOULD be even more severely punished.

Perhaps, if they were correct in their understanding, they could be right. But, please remember, folks.. she is not being punished for hurting someone by selling her stock...

With all the brain power harnessed here at fark, how could such a thing happen?

(yes, there is some sarcasm hidden in this post. Where's Waldo?)
 
2004-07-17 08:28:41 PM  
haha. her coont factor just went up 10 points.
 
2004-07-17 08:29:33 PM  


http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v352/isabelleane/marthastewartbigupdated.j pg
 
2004-07-17 08:29:34 PM  
Most Americans think Martha is going to prison for insider trading. Wrong. They didn't have enough to build a case. Martha is going to prison for lying to an FBI Agent. Had she simply refused to answer any questions until she consulted with her attorney... we wouldn't be having this thread, and she'd be a free woman. Mrs. Helmsley went to prison for avoiding about $5M in taxes in a year she paid $60M in taxes. She was a first-class biatch, so they went after her. Had she been Little Bo Peep, and loved by all, we never would have heard of her situation. Martha isn't well liked, so a perfect target for making an example. Class-Envy kicks in, and those who will never make enough to get out of the trailer park are chanting for her execution. This time, they cqme for Martha Stewart. Next time, they're coming for you.
 
2004-07-17 08:32:35 PM  
One's a communist metamorphosed into a folkhero. The other's a capitalist icon transposed into a folkdemon.

I'd say the two have a one-to-one negative correlation.
 
2004-07-17 08:33:49 PM  
I would feel a lot better about seeing her go to jail if the crime at the crux of the whole matter, insider trading, were not thrown out of court due to lack of evidence. I believe that 5 months in jail for lying to a federal investigator is unwarranted and indicative of a witch-hunt mentality on the part of the DoJ.

Let's not even talk about the government's "expert witnesses" who lied on the stand who are likely to skate on any perjury charges...

Accountability? Equal justice? What??

/fark Ashcroft
 
2004-07-17 08:41:41 PM  
from http://www.savemartha.com/mail607.html (right panel)

TheSmokingGun.com says it will post a mug shot if Martha Stewart is indicted. That's not necessary, we have the mug right here!

Above is a hyperlink to save martha mugs.

don't sell out SG!
 
2004-07-17 08:44:54 PM  
2004-07-17 08:33:49 PM Grishnackh

I agree with you ... to a point.

But tell me, if you had been in her shoes and someone in the know came up to you and told you to dump some stock because of their knowledge that to do otherwise would incur a great loss, would you have done what she did?

Anyone would.

Her crime was that she was ... Martha Stewart.
 
2004-07-17 08:45:53 PM  
Anyone that uses the phrase "The little people.." isn't going to get the concept that laws apply to the well accessorized elite, as well.
 
2004-07-17 08:47:50 PM  
djneedles:

Eww.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-07-17 08:52:21 PM  
Mandela was a wrongfully imprisoned hero

More like a rightly imprisoned hero. He broke the law in a cause that history has determined was just. I don't care for the man, but Martha Stewart isn't remotely in his class. She had no non-selfish purpose. I came of age in the 1980s when greed was good, and I don't put down her motives, but I don't have to respect her for trying to make another buck.
 
2004-07-17 08:52:47 PM  
I am just hoping for some giant bull dyke to fist her while making her listen to "Better Homes and Gardens" by SNFU.
 
2004-07-17 09:16:08 PM  
Arcanum & Travis,

I didn't suggest that Martha had anything to do with the stock price falling. She did get insider information that the buyer didn't have though. It's similar to selling a car that you know is about to breakdown or a unloading a house that has termites on some poor sucker. Caveat emptor, eh?
 
2004-07-17 09:29:33 PM  
It's pretty sad that the average American sheep knows more about this c-rag insider trading to make a profit that to her is less than the change I find in my car than they do about Enron and numerous other corporations raping this country. Who cares about all those brown people that we're killing in some other country, that professional housewife who makes more money than I do is getting hers, yeah!
 
2004-07-17 09:45:09 PM  
I totally predict that within the month you're gonna see asshat hipsters wearing ironic "FREE MARTHA" shirts.
 
2004-07-17 09:47:02 PM  
Probably good that she didn't compare herself to Winnie Mandela, who is crooked to the core.
 
2004-07-17 09:47:50 PM  
2004-07-17 06:04:48 PM JohnnyC

She tried to make a mockery of our courts by lieing to try and save her own ass...


I think you have Martha Stewart confused with O.J.
 
2004-07-17 09:52:16 PM  
Now that's a dumbass.
 
2004-07-17 09:52:18 PM  
Stewart, in a pre-recorded interview aired Friday night on ABC's 20/20, was asked by Barbara Walters how she would cope with prison life, including strip searches, if she loses her appeal.

I'd think strip searches would be harder if she keeps her appeal. Because the guards would probably take longer, you know, to enjoy themselves in the process.
 
2004-07-17 10:05:08 PM  
i compare myself to hitler, no one is as bad as hitler. so i got that going for me.....
 
2004-07-17 10:22:22 PM  
>Seriously, she's really getting the shaft on this

Yes, lets make lying to the feds legal. On perhaps for just white people, eh Jeff?
 
2004-07-17 10:25:57 PM  
Its been posted here a few times already, but apparently most of the posters don't get it yet. MARTHA STEWARD DID NOT COMMIT INSIDER TRADING, AND SHE WAS NEVER CHARGED WITH INSIDER TRADING. In order to be guilty of insider trading you have to have a fiduciary responsibility to the company in question. Simply owning stock in a company has NEVER been considered by the courts to count as having a "fiduciary responsibility". In order to have a "fiduciary responsibility" you have to be an accountant, or a CEO, or a layer, etc. of the company in question. Martha was none of those in relation to ImClone. What it boils down to is that Martha was found guilty of lying to the investigators about something they should have never been questioning her about in the first place. Her procescution was completely political in nature, and had nothing to do with justice.
 
2004-07-17 10:31:58 PM  
>omeone in the know came up to you and told you to dump some stock because of their knowledge that to do otherwise would incur a great loss....

You understand nothing about the responsibilities of stock ownership, the law, etc.

Why is Martha such a clarion call for the wackos (mostly women this time) who seem to have no issue with victimless crimes like sex laws or drug laws. Because she's white and rich and the corporate media has been playing the reverse race card? Because she compares herself *I am laughing* to Nelson Mandela? It obvious the right wants to play her up as a victim so they can keep breaking the law with impunity, and getting Joe Six-Pack to see things their way is how it all starts.

There have been many low and high profile arrests regarding market manipulation and other "white collar" crimes, yet only Martha is being sent up the river? Oh please. You guys are being played for fools.
 
2004-07-17 10:39:46 PM  
>Martha was found guilty of lying to the investigators about something they should have never been questioning her about in the first place.

Oh really? she should have been questioned as she did perform insider trading. Dumping stock one day before the anti-cancer drug turned out to be a huge loss.

The catch is she lied. Just like President Clinton. Oh right, I forgot, Clinton is bad, Martha is good.

Do you want coporate responsibility or not? Want more Enrons then keep "defending" Martha. You're playing right into the hands of people who would love to deregulate all checks, including environmental, on business. Be a stooge for all I care, but don't say you weren't warned.
 
2004-07-17 10:46:58 PM  
Her stock sale was prompted by inside information prohibited from being acted upon by securities law. Her broker is the one who both provided the information, and executed the trade. He is the one licensed to trade securites, and therefore should have known better, and should be ultimately responsible (IMHO).
 
2004-07-17 11:02:11 PM  
You guys are forgetting how America works. Even if she is convicted she'll spend her two weeks in a rich man's prison running her business from her two room, tastefully furnished cell.
 
2004-07-17 11:03:08 PM  
The only inside of a prison she'll see is on the Discovery Channel.
 
2004-07-17 11:03:45 PM  
This is a stupid comparison: Mandela was imprisoned for being a Communist terrorist, and has subsequently presided over the decline of South Africa from a civilised country to the rape and murder capital of the world.

Stewart is a self-made businesswoman who is being imprisoned for denying that she committed insider trading. And she hasn't even been convicted of insider trading.

What a planet.
 
2004-07-17 11:52:58 PM  
For a second I thought it said "Martha Stewart half-nelsons Mandela". Now THERE's a scandal.
 
2004-07-18 01:18:27 AM  
On prison life:

"I could do it," Stewart said. "I'm a really good camper. I can sleep on the ground."
 
2004-07-18 01:26:40 AM  
Yea, Martha is just a nobody. A little person. Except that when she did her little insider deal she was the CEO of a billion dollar company and on the board of the New York Stock Exchange.

This isn't just some chick on a TV show. This was a big time businessperson who should have known better and got what anyone in her position would have gotten.
 
2004-07-18 01:44:42 AM  
An intelligent person who proves the adage that "smart people are real stupid about something everyday".
 
2004-07-18 01:58:39 AM  
Until she compared herself to Mandela I was tempted to feel sorry for the waspy biatch.

Send her to Death By Septic Tank.
 
2004-07-18 03:00:05 AM  
Yeah Kaaos I'm just wondering where they are gonna put the bars at, say, Yellowstone, you know? God forbid someone try to keep me from leaving there, cause I obviously don't deserve to be released from the hell of natural beauty and granduer, to resume my joyful life of work, right?
 
2004-07-18 03:12:12 AM  
uuhhh...asinine?
 
2004-07-18 03:52:08 AM  
What are you talking about?
 
2004-07-18 03:56:03 AM  
>Mandela was imprisoned for being a Communist terrorist

Err, no. He was convicted for trying to overthrow the government. He didn't blow up two building in new york, kid.

As a member of the ANC he planned to overthrow the oppressive apartheid government. Terrorist? Because he fought against a corrupt government and won? That would also apply to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc.

Wacky freepers.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-07-18 06:38:20 AM  
The ANC was a terrorist organization, but Nelson Mandela was in prison while his wife was boasting about burning people alive and I hesitate to blame him without knowing how much control he retained over the organization. He refused to disavow violence but that falls short of advocating terror.
 
2004-07-18 10:14:45 AM  
It looks like a lot of people need to learn about this little concept called context.
 
2004-07-18 11:13:36 AM  
she was convicted of 4 felonies. 2 counts of making false statements, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy. The stock she sold actually rallied later in the year, so if she would have held on she would have more money. she was convicted because she lied time and again to federal investigators. she said that she had no knowledge of insider trading, which she clearly did. i can see where she was going with the Mandela comment, but she should have chosen someone that was less of a humanitarian/political prisoner. maybe, hugh grant for instance, he's on tv, seems like an ok guy, oops caught me with a hooker.
 
2004-07-18 12:22:06 PM  
The point was plenty of respectable people have spent time, and it
didn't destroy them. The rest is all brain dead media spin.
 
2004-07-18 02:09:09 PM  
I always find it interesting that people complain the the rich and famous can act above the law b/c they have the finances (for ace legal representation) and the celebrity status to get lots of camera time to whine on tv and make "their case" to the public. Yet, when the culprit (no matter how corrupt) is a celebrity that people like many people make the reverse claim! That he/she is being prosecuted merely b/c of their celebrity status, etc., to be made an example of (Isn't that the whole farking point, btw? Deterrence? etc.).

Stop all the double-standards people and make up your mind! Personally, I don't think the rich and famous should receive FAVORABLE criminal justice treatment because of their "status".

/I see fields and fields of sheep.
 
2004-07-18 04:42:19 PM  
Y'know, every week some topic comes up that reminds me of something. This is that topic this week. The something is that Fark appears to be the Internet's greatest single repository of Schadenfreude. I shan't explain it myself, look it up. Google will help.

Not that I think Martha's a great gal. She's a money-hungry tightwad. I've been fed up with her ever since I noticed she marked up everything she sold at least 30% from what competitors charged, just because you're buying it from HER. She doesn't deserve jail time for what she did, but that doesn't mean she should be praised for being a great person, either. There are plenty of shades of grey in between.
 
2004-07-18 06:37:57 PM  
Wasn't she a stockbroker herself once?
 
2004-07-18 10:50:44 PM  
Crybaby n. - see Stewart, Martha.

Yes, I do see the Parallels between her and Mandela. He was jailed for, what, 26 years trying to free his people fron the yoke of imperialism. She will be jailed for 5 months trying to free the residents of South Hampton, Greenwich Village, and Conneticut from the yoke of our legal system.
 
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