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(Central Chronicle)   You know you have a pretty crappy education system when all students in 152 high schools fail to graduate for five years in a row   (centralchronicle.com) divider line 83
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2004-07-14 01:33:48 PM  
This article could be satire and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
 
2004-07-14 01:43:25 PM  
They could do what the US does, lower the testing guidelines.

By the way, am I seeing double in this article, or was it just not long enough?

By the way, did this article double up on statements, or was it just not long enough?

/see the point?
 
2004-07-14 02:20:52 PM  
Looks like the person who published the article was one of the said students.

Looks like the person who published the article was one of the said students.
 
2004-07-14 03:59:17 PM  
Luckily, all got hired by Dell Tech Support.
 
2004-07-14 04:13:07 PM  
At least they've got AIDS and starvation to look forward to!
/assumes it's in Africa.
 
2004-07-14 06:19:10 PM  
oy vey! its in India mizike . did you attend that school or something?
 
2004-07-14 06:41:54 PM  
I agree with the first half of the article, but I completely disagree with the second half of the article.
 
2004-07-14 08:05:52 PM  
Ahh, India. RTFA, but didn't check the location.
Well, they've probably been staying up all night doing tech support for dell.

/ignorant
 
2004-07-14 08:38:38 PM  
BHUBANESWAR? Is that in Missouri?

/drtfa
 
2004-07-14 08:38:49 PM  
downstairs - Well played, old chap. Well played, indeed.
 
2004-07-14 08:40:20 PM  
downstairs

I spat crackers over my keyboard.
 
2004-07-14 08:41:16 PM  
The author of the article is presently employed at the Department of Redundancy Department.
 
2004-07-14 08:41:33 PM  
"After convening a meeting of the headmasters..."

Fortress Maximus unavailable for comment.

 
2004-07-14 08:41:49 PM  
When i read the headline i was thinking arkansas or alabama. India is funnier, because they steal our jobs.
 
nfw
2004-07-14 08:43:27 PM  
And this is the country the world is outsourcing to? I have dealt with a few of those bodyshops over there, most of them barely know how to turn on their computers.
 
2004-07-14 08:49:32 PM  
Yes, that's much worse than the system we have here, where we simply lower the standards until everyone passes.
 
2004-07-14 08:50:38 PM  
No, this almost always means your test is too hard. We had this problem in Arizona. Students had been graduating form high school with no single test for a long time. The universities were happy with the students produced, etc.

Well, they decided to introduce a graduation test. Not an all bad idea, I'm sure some students were graduating that didn't deserve to. First trial run of it, over 80% of students failed. Well, sorry, but this means your test is a peice of shiat. Teachers were apalled at the difficulty of the test, it was clearly university level.

One of the proponents on the board actually argued "But we want ALL of our students performing in the 80th percentile!". Well here is clearly someone who would fail the math portion, since she obviously had NO clue how percentile rankings work (for those that don't, the 50th percentile is average, so if on average people do better, the average person still performs at the 50th percentile).

It's the lake wobegon syndrome: People seem to think that ALL kids should perform above average. It's a fundimental misunderstanding of human intelligence. That bell curve thing isn't bullshiat, humans reall do fall on that. In basically every category, intelligence, height, athletic ability, etc you take a normal sample of humans, you get a bell curve. Most people ARE average, even though most people believe they are above average.

Thus if you design a test that 80% of people fail, that you expect 95% of people should pass, you farked up. Your test is too hard, or testing the wrong things, or not clear, etc (the ARizona test was all these things). You can't say "Well everyone should get smarter" because that is asking the impossible. People can be educated better or worse, no question, but intelligence is an ultimate limiting factor.

My suggestion is to any that think these test aren't too hard: Put your money where your mouth is. Agree to take the test, and if you fail, to have your highschool diploma and any degrees following it, revoked. I mean if it really is a good test that AVERAGE (not just the smartest) and even some below average high school kids should be able to pass, you should have no problem.
 
2004-07-14 08:51:40 PM  
Maybe they're too busy playing kabaddi which sounds like some demented sort of marco polo/tag/wrestling.

/can't figure it out.
 
2004-07-14 08:51:51 PM  
Before everybody starts the India bashing (yes you antelope and nfw) this is one of the poorest regions not just in India, but the world. They lack even the most basic infrastructure.

These children are only "students" in name. Most of them are working in the field helping support the family. Once in a while they will attend school for namesake, so the schools can keep getting funding from the government. The best the schools can do is provide some sort of semi-functional literacy. These children will grow up to be rural farmers like generations before them.
 
2004-07-14 08:53:51 PM  
"But stringent steps would be taken against schools having facilities and infrastructure," revealed a highly placed official at the Education department.


Well, that explains a lot.

 
2004-07-14 08:54:05 PM  
thanks to all who pointed out it was india. i was wonderring due to constant references 'the state' or city officials and such..... i thought it might be the remenants of the former governor in texas.....lol
 
2004-07-14 08:54:33 PM  
mizike

/ignorant

...and racist too.
 
2004-07-14 08:54:52 PM  
downstairs, too funny.
 
2004-07-14 08:58:25 PM  
I would care, but it's not in the U.S.

Please stop posting articles about tiny countries that I don't care about.
 
2004-07-14 09:01:09 PM  
BHUBANESWAR: US led envoy bringing No Child Left Behind to nation state India. "It is in our national interest to ensure India's population be accountable in their education programs", a senior U.S. Department of Education official said Wednesday. Dell, HP, Cisco and other members of the Outsource US IT Jobs Initiative (OUIJI) coalition praised the efforts of the current administration and their goals to safeguard an educated offshore workforce. Members of the OUIJI coalition and senior administration officials plan similiar strategic announcements in Mexico, Costa Rica, Philippines and various other nation states of interest in the coming months.

... and there you have ... the rest of the story

/sarcasm
 
2004-07-14 09:03:43 PM  
where is this????
 
2004-07-14 09:04:33 PM  
Yeah, India's sure one tiny and insignificant country, isn't it? ;)
 
2004-07-14 09:04:56 PM  
Soia,

Some tiny country named india or something.
 
2004-07-14 09:07:00 PM  
You know, I read the entire article not knowing where the fark they were talking about.

Could have been my hometown of Miami, though, for all practical purposes.
 
2004-07-14 09:08:11 PM  
Lexarius, I agree, they definitely need to do something to punish any schools that have the audacity to have facilities and infrastructure.
 
2004-07-14 09:08:26 PM  
In the US, this would be solved by finding the performance level that 60% of the kids can pass and declare that a "D". Now everyone's happy. No matter how incompetent.
 
2004-07-14 09:10:14 PM  
 
2004-07-14 09:11:21 PM  
Me fail english? That's unpossible!
 
2004-07-14 09:13:44 PM  
2004-07-14 09:01:09 PM ehalbritter

I believe you're thinking of the Outsource US IT Jobs Alliance (OUIJA)

(if you were going for the mystical board thingy)

/liked that sarcasm
 
2004-07-14 09:14:00 PM  
Well, the world needs ditch-diggers, too.
 
2004-07-14 09:21:56 PM  
Good post, sycraft. Long, but good.
 
2004-07-14 09:24:35 PM  
sycraft, 50th percentile isn't average (mean). It's more like the median, but not exactly.
 
2004-07-14 09:33:00 PM  
dopesniffingrhino

The brain was thinking Alliance, apparently the fingers doing their own thing again. As my 2 1/2 year old always says "Hey fingers, what you doing? Bad fingers"

Thanks!
and
Thanks for the catch
 
2004-07-14 09:37:39 PM  
Did anyone else catch that the poster needed to rtfa a little more carefully. 152 schools had all students fail, "more than 10" of those have had all students fail for the last 3 to 5 years. Not all 152 have had all students fail for 5 years in a row, according to the article anyway.

And don't compare your own experience in a school in North American or other industrialized nation with the resources (even as limited as they are) they have and think you can understand what's happening over there.

Sycraft, I mostly agree with what you're saying in North America (I question whether any standardized test can ever be terribly reliable) but the situation over there is sooooo different that I don't think you can compare Arizona with one of the poorer regions in India (taking that it is one of the poorer regions from earlier posters, I have no knowledge of the region myself).
 
2004-07-14 09:39:01 PM  
I am humbled by the fact I finished the article before I realized I read it twice. Time to cut the prozac in half I guess
 
2004-07-14 09:41:47 PM  
Kinda sucks that the U.S. is outsourcing all it's computer-tech jobs to India and they're all a bunch of failures. Oh wait, those Indians are much more "with it" than our bong-toking, suburbanite "whiz kids" who somehow manage to pass each and every year. Skool is kewl! What was your SAT score? Mine was 1160. It shows, doesn't it?
 
2004-07-14 09:41:51 PM  
India is truly a third world country, but they have one of the most educated populace in the world. Because of the high population (2nd largest in world), there is firece compition for resources, namely education, which ensures that only the cream of the crop get into the best secondary education institutions (a recent 60 Minutes story maintains that Indian Institute of Tecnology--IIT--is the hardest school in the world to get into, where most students applying have American ivy league schools as back up).

Given this disparity, of course the poorest of the poor will be left behind (and incidently, the fact that the rising tide of high tech jobs in Idia didn't "lift all boats" is one of the main reasons the ruling BJP lost in national elections). The government hasn't been able to meet the demands of the poor and rural population and that in turn means reading the posted story.

Oh, and by the way, India isn't stealing American high tech jobs. Americsn companies are being lured by low wages and highly educated workforce who speaks english (for the most part, because India used to be a British colony).
 
2004-07-14 09:44:21 PM  
Many of these schools, especially in the backward areas of Kalahandi, Bolangir and Koraput.

yes means no and they all walk facing the wrong way, it seems like it'd be hard to get an education there.
 
2004-07-14 09:44:27 PM  
SKINNER!!!!
 
2004-07-14 09:44:48 PM  
lagaie
I don't think guessing that Africa might be the location of some names we don't comprehend or saying that some Indians are doing tech support for Dell are racist statements.

think someone's a bit jumpy.
 
2004-07-14 09:49:37 PM  
lmao

hi lisa! hi super nintendo chalmers!
 
2004-07-14 09:52:11 PM  
They must be modeling the schools there after the ones in Philadelphia.
 
2004-07-14 09:52:52 PM  
OK, how many of you were thinking "must be Texas" before you read the article?

/texan, and raised my hand too
 
2004-07-14 09:55:57 PM  
How much education does it take to work in a convenience store ?
 
2004-07-14 09:56:09 PM  
I would've given my right nut for that thing when I was 9, Sick_tired_and_needing_to_laugh, never did get one. I did however have his Decepticon Counterpart (the not nearly as gigantic) Scorponok (sp?). Thanks for the nostalgia.
 
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