"So you're telling me that minorities have no rights? Women aren't allowed to vote? A white man can't marry a black woman? The majority ruled and all of these are allowed Father Jack, you know that!"


jake,

no, im not saying they have no rights. youre missing the point sir.

all these issues were originally fought against by the majority for years, with protests and awareness campaigns before the majority eventually came to accept it. Women protested for years to get the right to vote, blacks protested for years for equal treatment before getting it.

thats exactly whats going on with gay rights and gay marriage, and exactly my point.

You know... if homosexuality is so "unnatural", then why do animals of the same sex attempt copulation? If it happens in nature...



"It ain't natural I tell ya! I don't care what my daughter says!
Now get me some polydent! My gums're showin'!"

SherKhan
Ewwww... that techno beat hurt my head...
next time give me a NSFHHH (Not safe for hiphopheads)

2004-07-12 03:49:35 PM Jake Steed

So you're telling me that minorities have no rights? Women aren't allowed to vote? A white man can't marry a black woman? The majority ruled and all of these are allowed Father Jack, you know that!

Yes, the majority did rule. 1953, 97% of the population supported VA's ban on interracial marriage (it was polled). The supreme court disagreed.

Father_Jack

"The Netherlands and Belgium are the only countries in the European Union where same-sex "marriage" is legal. However, about 10 other EU member states recognize same-sex partnerships with varying rights. France, Germany and the Scandinavian countries allow forms of "registered partnerships," and Britain recently enacted a law enabling homosexual couples to register in "civil partnerships."

Why is it that you and Mrs. Kerry are such Euro wannabes?!?!?

Well Bless me! It's Father_Jack! How are ya doing, Padre? Long time no see.


For you and everyone else:

It is the stance of the Yellow Party that the government should get completely out of the marriage game. The government should no longer marry anyone, nor take interest in any way in marriage as it is a religious partnership and thus not-governable by the United States under Amendment 2.

Instead, for people wishing to enter into partnerships with others which could be construed as similar to what was previously known as marriage, the government should allow a legal bond known as a civil union to be made, which would resmble what we now know as marriage. All unions called marriage previously would obviously still be known by that name (grandfather clause) but no new ones will be issued.

A civil union, being a legal contract only, would be for anyone who wanted one who could legally enter into a contract - be it same sex couples, "traditional" hetero-monogamous couples or groups.


If you want to get married, we suggest you find a religious faith willing to bless your particular type of union.



Vote Yellow

2004-07-12 03:49:35 PM Jake Steed

I feel that a small minority should not set the social standards in this country.

Too bad marriage isn't exclusively a social contract. It's a legal contract, endorsed and recognized by the US government. Now if you think the government should discriminate against minorities, that's another argument altogether.

Father_Jack, I got your point, I was being sarcastic. I guess the entire arguement boils down to the gay gene, doesn't it? I haven't found any proof supporting either side yet. When you can prove to me that homosexuality is genetic my views on it will change, slightly.

Please don't post any links supporting your side. I've been interested in this for a long time and no one has proven either side yet. I still lean towards a chosen behaviour.

Would someone please define the concept of "minority rights" for Jake Steed, as he was obviously absent that day in civics class?

Sweet!! This thread taught me that I can go from a "majority" status (white, hetero, male) to "minority" status (white, homo, male) by just simply changing my sexual preference. Too bad girls are sexier than guys - I could be special!!!

/If I was a black, female, lesbian - I would be virtually non-existent!

If I was a black, male, lesbian - I guess I would be non-existent.

Jack Steed

The truth is that, at the time, the majority of whites in the South opposed integration of the races. So, no, the majority did not rule. The courts did.
As they did in 2000.

"Sit down my son. Dig into the financials of ANY large multinational company and you will find very large payments to various lawyers and other consulting agencies and middlemen through the subsidiaries of these companies in the developing world.

I repeat, if Halliburton did anything wrong, it was to leave a paper trail which incriminates the head office. Wrong!!!"

This type of argument drives me nuts. It's equivalent to jumping off a bridge because everyone else is doing it. Just because many multi-nationals use bribery, that does not make it right. Nor does it solve any problems because if no one ever gets in trouble then it will continue.

Compnaies need to be held accountable not only to their shareholders, but to society in general. If companies are only judged on profit, society will fall apart. There is more to life than money and more to society than profit margins

The government could have saved themselves a lot of trouble had they never gotten into the marriage game at all. Right from the start, if a person was married at a courthouse, it should have been called a civil union and not marriage. Of course, every one would still refer to themselves as being married but the overtly religious people who have been satisfied and there would be know accusations of "seperate but equal."

That being said, I don't think the government really has any business dealing with a person's personal life unless there is demonstrable damage being done by that person's actions.

Jake Steed

The entire argument does /not/ boil down to the "gay gene" (a misnomer - anyone who understands genetics should know that this complex of a behaviour cannot be coded by one gene).

The entire argument boils down to "inaliable rights." Let me know, when you have proof, how gays getting married stands in the way of your pursuit of "life, liberty and happiness."

I bet that they can certainly explain to you how making it illegal for them to get married stands in the way of theirs.

2004-07-12 03:58:10 PM Jake Steed

I guess the entire arguement boils down to the gay gene, doesn't it? I haven't found any proof supporting either side yet. When you can prove to me that homosexuality is genetic my views on it will change, slightly.

I'll logic it out for ya -- why would anyone choose to be gay in a society that judges such things as harshly as ours does? Gays get kicked out of their parents' homes, their offices (at least 20 years ago), can't adopt... they face all sorts of discrimination. Why would anyone choose that?

I really hate to jack this thread, but the Vice President of the United States is being investigated for bribery and fraud. Some would consider that notable. Anyone care to comment?

We, some People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union between only heterosexuals, establish Justice for heterosexuals, insure domestic Tranquility for heterosexual marriages, provide for the common defence of heterosexual marriages, promote the general Welfare of only heterosexual marriages, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves but not Posterior-Americans, do ordain and establish this Homophobic Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America.

I've been interested in this for a long time and no one has proven either side yet.

I dare say, you're curious. ;-)

I still lean towards a chosen behaviour.

You obviously were born with the lean-towards-chosen-behavior gene.

Yellowbeard

OUCH!! I just agreed with you. I don't want the fanatics making it illegal - let the states decide. I do, however, think homosexuality is wrong. I have that right. But in order to protect MY rights, I can't be taking away others'. That's why I don't want the federal government making it illegal.

DROxINxTHExWIND
It's about their ability to disclose their sexual preference and have it be accepted as normal as it relates to job placement, housing, marriage, ect.

If I am understanding you correctly, the issue of elective disclosure is a significant one to you.

In your view, is that different from the Fifties and earlier when some black people who could passed as white (I'd like to ignore the side issue of it being possible due to having some white makeup in their genetic heritage, but if you think that is central to the distinction, by all means say so)?

They did so for reasons of job placement, and housing. I even would include marriage in that list, although I suspect the number doing so would be significantly smaller than the first two reasons.

2004-07-12 03:59:48 PM barjockey

Sweet!! This thread taught me that I can go from a "majority" status (white, hetero, male) to "minority" status (white, homo, male) by just simply changing my sexual preference. Too bad girls are sexier than guys - I could be special!!!

You just proved my point. You can't change your sexual preference, anymore than you can dye skin black or have a doctor give you ovaries.

Mr. Fabu,

I would love to comment. I hope this will be taken seriously.

"as they did in 2000" xomber
ever heard of the elector college?

Just a suggestion here. Maybe we could tax homosexuals like we tax smokers for the enourmous health costs.

______________


Homosexuals account for 80 percent of Americas most serious sexually transmitted diseases.

Youths engaging in homosexual behavior are 23 times more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease than strictly heterosexual youths.

Lesbians are 19 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had syphilis, twice as likely to suffer from genital warts, four times as likely to have scabies.

Male homosexuals are 14 times more likely to have syphilis than male heterosexuals. They are also thousands of time more likely to have AIDS.

- Centers for Disease Control


crap...i gotta go, again! later all

barjockey

Heh. I will assume, by your "Ouch!" comment that we are enemies. ;)

Which part did you agree with? (just curious - I made several posts)

www.wketchup.com For when Heinz is NOT good enough.

m00
....or have a doctor give you ovaries.
That is so not true. I was at the hospital the other day, and a surgeon came out of the op room with two fat ones. He asked me to hold em, while he went out for a smoke.
Man, if only he had given me a third one, I coulda done some fancy jugglin'!

" I still lean towards a chosen behaviour."

Think of a food you hate. Anchovies? Head Cheese? Got one? Now start liking it. Right now. Go get a huge plate, eat the whole thing and LIKE IT. Or, what's your favorite food? Start hating it in this instant. Put 'yourfood' in your mouth and genuinely spit it out in disgust. Or, put someone with a skin condition in the sun and tell them not to burn. I bet they will anyway.

...just a different way of looking at it.

m00

You accused me earlier that I wanted to legislate my brand of morality on everybody else. That comment made you sound like the ridiculous fanatical lefty freakos that only have an argument when they put words in their opposition's mouths. Usually, you are fair and virtually unbiased with your opinions. That time your left was showing. Just because I personally think that homosexuality is wrong and perverted, does not mean I want the government telling people what they can and can't do in situations that affect only consenting adults. Poo on you.

2004-07-12 03:44:19 PM m00

2004-07-12 03:32:54 PM DarwinEffect

[He voted the patriot act.] True, but voting against it unless you were the picked "dissenter" would have been political suicide. Everyone in congress voted for it. He's against PAII This is no excuse. You really want to elect someone that refuses to do what's right when it's "political suicide"? By the way, from the voting records: Feingold (D-WI), Nay.
I won't defend it, just to say that 98 out of 100 voted for, one against(token dissenter) and one hot ass Louisiana Republican babe abstained that day. It was a time when everybody did as they were told. It's politics, it stinks. What are you gonna do?

[He voted for the DOMA] False Really? (from: http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm) "Supports federal DOMA, but not Massachusetts DOMA. (Feb 26)"
He's said he's for civil unions, but I don't think I've heard anything saying he was against Gay Marriage specifically. I've seen quotes where he specifically said he does not support Gay Marriage, even though he does support civil unions. "Seperate but Equal" is never equal.
You stated "Voted" and on the DOMA, Kerry "Voted" No. http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=1105&can_id=S042110

[So why are you voting for him?]
He's not Bush. But his voting record is close.
Bush has a voting record? I didn't think Governors or the POTUS were a part of the senate, nor votes by private citizens recorded for perusal, but I could have slept through that part of civics.

I'm against gay marriage because I feel i shouldn't be forced to marry another man.

Legislating inequality is anti-American.

Barjocky, why do you hate America?

m00

You can't change your sexual preference

You are so wrong. I shouldn't have to explain.

yellowbeard

I agree that the government shouldn't ban gay marriage - or anything that affects only consenting adults and can in no way harm innocents in any way. And I don't make "enemies" on the 'puter. I just disagree with you on many things - but that's cool, I love the freedom to do so.

Mike 71

Do you sacrifice animals after your wife gives birth to children?

No? Then you are going to hell.

Do you believe that sacrificing animals upon a perfumed altar cures disease?

No? Then you are going to hell.

Do you believe rubbing the blood of a sacrificed bird upon a skin lesion and then setting another bird free will cure the lesion?

No? Then you are going to hell.

And yet...think on these things.

Leviticus 19:19
'My statutes ye do keep: thy cattle thou dost not cause to gender [with] diverse kinds; thy field thou dost not sow with diverse kinds, and a garment of diverse kinds, shaatnez, doth not go up upon thee.

Why?

Leviticus 19:27
'Ye do not round the corner of your head, nor destroy the corner of thy beard.

God is a hair stylist? Or did the writer want a cultural distinction?

Leviticus 20:18
'And a man who lieth with a sick woman, and hath uncovered her nakedness, her fountain he hath made bare, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood, -- even both of them have been cut off from the midst of their people.

So when your wife has a headache, and you press her, you are sinning.

Leviticus 20:20
'And a man who lieth with his aunt, the nakedness of his uncle he hath uncovered; their sin they bear; childless they die.

Um...gee...well, I lived in the south for a thankfully brief time, and I know of two such unions where children were born, which um...well...kinda proves god wrong.

Leviticus 23:28
and ye do no work in this self-same day, for it is a day of atonements, to make atonement for you, before Jehovah your God.

Leviticus 23:29
'For any person who is not humbled in this self-same day hath even been cut off from his people;

Leviticus 23:30
and any person who doth any work in this self-same day I have even destroyed that person from the midst of his people;

Work on Sunday. Go to hell. Sure...like that is reasonable.

Leviticus 25:14
'And when thou sellest anything to thy fellow, or buyest from the hand of thy fellow, ye do not oppress one another;

Leviticus 25:15
by the number of years after the jubilee thou dost buy from thy fellow; by the number of the years of increase he doth sell to thee;

Leviticus 25:16
according to the multitude of the years thou dost multiply its price, and according to the fewness of the years thou dost diminish its price; for a number of increases he is selling to thee;


If you make a profit, you go to hell. God has decreed.

Leviticus


Leviticus 1:1
And Jehovah calleth unto Moses, and speaketh unto him out of the tent of meeting, saying,

Leviticus 1:2
'Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, Any man of you when he doth bring near an offering to Jehovah, out of the cattle -- out of the herd, or out of the flock -- ye do bring near your offering.

Leviticus 1:3
'If his offering [is] a burnt-offering out of the herd -- a male, a perfect one, he doth bring near, unto the opening of the tent of meeting he doth bring it near, at his pleasure, before Jehovah;

Leviticus 1:4
and he hath laid his hand on the head of the burnt-offering, and it hath been accepted for him to make atonement for him;

Leviticus 1:5
and he hath slaughtered the son of the herd before Jehovah; and sons of Aaron, the priests, have brought the blood near, and sprinkled the blood on the altar round about, which [is] at the opening of the tent of meeting.

Leviticus 1:6
'And he hath stripped the burnt-offering, and hath cut it into its pieces;

Leviticus 1:7
and the sons of Aaron the priest have put fire on the altar, and arranged wood on the fire;

Leviticus 1:8
and sons of Aaron, the priests, have arranged the pieces, with the head and the fat, on the wood, which [is] on the fire, which [is] on the altar;

Leviticus 1:9
and its inwards and its legs he doth wash with water; and the priest hath made perfume with the whole on the altar, a burnt-offering, a fire-offering of sweet fragrance to Jehovah.

Leviticus 1:10
'And if his offering [is] out of the flock -- out of the sheep or out of the goats -- for a burnt-offering, a male, a perfect one, he doth bring near,

Leviticus 1:11
and he hath slaughtered it by the side of the altar northward, before Jehovah; and sons of Aaron, the priests, have sprinkled its blood on the altar round about;

Leviticus 1:12
and he hath cut it into its pieces, and its head and its fat, and the priest hath arranged them on the wood, which [is] on the fire, which [is] on the altar;

Leviticus 1:13
and the inwards and the legs he doth wash with water, and the priest hath brought the whole near, and hath made perfume on the altar; it [is] a burnt-offering, a fire-offering of sweet fragrance to Jehovah.

Leviticus 1:14
'And if his offering [is] a burnt-offering out of the fowl to Jehovah, than he hath brought near his offering out of the turtle-doves or out of the young pigeons,

Leviticus 1:15
and the priest hath brought it near unto the altar, and hath wrung off its head, and hath made perfume on the altar, and its blood hath been wrung out by the side of the altar;

Leviticus 1:16
and he hath turned aside its crop with its feathers, and hath cast it near the altar, eastward, unto the place of ashes;

Leviticus 1:17
and he hath cleaved it with its wings (he doth not separate [it]), and the priest hath made it a perfume on the altar, on the wood, which [is] on the fire; it [is] a burnt-offering, a fire-offering of sweet fragrance to Jehovah.

Leviticus 2:1
'And when a person bringeth near an offering, a present to Jehovah, of flour is his offering, and he hath poured on it oil, and hath put on it frankincense;

Leviticus 2:2
and he hath brought it in unto the sons of Aaron, the priests, and he hath taken from thence the fulness of his hand of its flour and of its oil, besides all its frankincense, and the priest hath made perfume with its memorial on the altar, a fire-offering of sweet fragrance to Jehovah;

Leviticus 2:3
and the remnant of the present [is] for Aaron and for his sons, most holy, of the fire-offerings of Jehovah.

Leviticus 2:4
'And when thou bringest near an offering, a present baked in an oven, [it is of] unleavened cakes of flour mixed with oil, or thin unleavened cakes anointed with oil.

Leviticus 2:5
'And if thine offering [is] a present [made] on the girdel, it is of flour, mixed with oil, unleavened;

Leviticus 2:6
divide thou it into parts, and thou hast poured on it oil; it [is] a present.

Leviticus 2:7
'And if thine offering [is] a present [made] on the frying-pan, of flour with oil it is made,

Leviticus 2:8
and thou hast brought in the present which is made of these to Jehovah, and [one] hath brought it near unto the priest, and he hath brought it nigh unto the altar,

Leviticus 2:9
and the priest hath lifted up from the present its memorial, and hath made perfume on the altar, a fire-offering of sweet fragrance to Jehovah;

Leviticus 2:10
and the remnant of the present [is] for Aaron and for his sons, most holy, of the fire-offerings of Jehovah.

Leviticus 2:11
No present which ye bring near to Jehovah is made fermented, for with any leaven or any honey ye perfume no fire-offering to Jehovah.

Leviticus 2:12
'An offering of first-[fruits] -- ye bring them near to Jehovah, but on the altar they go not up, for sweet fragrance.

Leviticus 2:13
And every offering -- thy present -- with salt thou dost season, and thou dost not let the salt of the covenant of thy God cease from thy present; with all thine offerings thou dost bring near salt.

Leviticus 2:14
'And if thou bring near a present of first-ripe [fruits] to Jehovah, -- of green ears, roasted with fire, beaten out [corn] of a fruitful field thou dost bring near the present of thy first-ripe [fruits],

Leviticus 2:15
and thou hast put on it oil, and laid on it frankincense, it [is] a present;

Leviticus 2:16
and the priest hath made perfume with its memorial from its beaten out [corn], and from its oil, besides all its frankincense -- a fire-offering to Jehovah.

Leviticus 3:1
'And if his offering [is] a sacrifice of peace-offerings, if out of the herd he is bringing near, whether male or female, a perfect one he doth bring near before Jehovah,

Leviticus 3:2
and he hath laid his hand on the head of his offering, and hath slaughtered it at the opening of the tent of meeting, and sons of Aaron, the priests, have sprinkled the blood on the altar round about.

Leviticus 3:3
'And he hath brought near from the sacrifice of the peace-offerings a fire-offering to Jehovah, the fat which is covering the inwards, and all the fat which [is] on the inwards,

Leviticus 3:4
and the two kidneys, and the fat which [is] on them, which [is] on the flanks, and the redundance above the liver, (beside the kidneys he doth turn it aside),

Leviticus 3:5
and sons of Aaron have made it a perfume on the altar, on the burnt-offering which [is] on the wood, which [is] on the fire -- a fire-offering of sweet fragrance to Jehovah.

Leviticus 3:6
'And if his offering [is] out of the flock for a sacrifice of peace-offerings to Jehovah, male or female, a perfect one he doth bring near;

Leviticus 3:7
if a sheep he is bringing near [for] his offering, then he hath brought it near before Jehovah,

Leviticus 3:8
and hath laid his hand on the head of his offering, and hath slaughtered it before the tent of meeting, and sons of Aaron have sprinkled its blood on the altar round about.

Leviticus 3:9
'And he hath brought near from the sacrifice of the peace-offerings a fire-offering to Jehovah, its fat, the whole fat tail (over-against the bone he doth turn it aside), and the fat which is covering the inwards, and all the fat which [is] on the inwards,

Leviticus 3:10
and the two kidneys, and the fat which [is] on them, which [is] on the flanks, and the redundance above the liver, (beside the kidneys he doth turn it aside),

Leviticus 3:11
and the priest hath made it a perfume on the altar -- bread of a fire-offering to Jehovah.

Leviticus 3:12
'And if his offering [is] a goat, then he hath brought it near before Jehovah,

Leviticus 3:13
and hath laid his hand on its head, and hath slaughtered it before the tent of meeting, and sons of Aaron have sprinkled its blood on the altar round about;

Leviticus 3:14
and he hath brought near from it his offering, a fire-offering to Jehovah, the fat which is covering the inwards, and all the fat which [is] on the inwards,

Leviticus 3:15
and the two kidneys, and the fat which [is] upon them, which [is] on the flanks, and the redundance above the liver, (beside the kidneys he doth turn it aside),

Leviticus 3:16
and the priest hath made them a perfume on the altar -- bread of a fire-offering, for sweet fragrance; all the fat [is] Jehovah's.

Leviticus 3:17
'A statute age-during to your generations in all your dwellings: any fat or any blood ye do not eat.'

Leviticus 4:1
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 4:2
'Speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, When a person doth sin through ignorance against any of the commands of Jehovah [regarding things] which are not to be done, and hath done [something] against one of these --

Leviticus 4:3
'If the priest who is anointed doth sin according to the guilt of the people, then he hath brought near for his sin which he hath sinned a bullock, a son of the herd, a perfect one, to Jehovah, for a sin-offering,

Leviticus 4:4
and he hath brought in the bullock unto the opening of the tent of meeting before Jehovah, and hath laid his hand on the head of the bullock, and hath slaughtered the bullock before Jehovah.

Leviticus 4:5
'And the priest who is anointed hath taken of the blood of the bullock, and hath brought it in unto the tent of meeting,

Leviticus 4:6
and the priest hath dipped his finger in the blood, and sprinkled of the blood seven times before Jehovah, at the front of the vail of the sanctuary;

Leviticus 4:7
and the priest hath put of the blood on the horns of the altar of spice-perfume before Jehovah, which [is] in the tent of meeting, and all the blood of the bullock he doth pour out at the foundation of the altar of the burnt-offering, which [is] at the opening of the tent of meeting.

Leviticus 4:8
'And all the fat of the bullock of the sin-offering he doth lift up from it, the fat which is covering over the inwards, and all the fat which [is] on the inwards,

Leviticus 4:9
and the two kidneys, and the fat which [is] on them, which [is] on the flanks, and the redundance above the liver, (beside the kidneys he doth turn it aside),

Leviticus 4:10
as it is lifted up from the ox of the sacrifice of the peace-offerings; and the priest hath made them a perfume on the altar of the burnt-offering.

Leviticus 4:11
'And the skin of the bullock, and all its flesh, besides its head, and besides its legs, and its inwards, and its dung --

Leviticus 4:12
he hath even brought out the whole bullock unto the outside of the camp, unto a clean place, unto the place of the pouring out of the ashes, and he hath burnt it on the wood with fire; beside the place of the pouring out of the ashes it is burnt.

Leviticus 4:13
'And if the whole company of Israel err ignorantly, and the thing hath been hidden from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done [something against] one of all the commands of Jehovah [concerning things] which are not to be done, and have been guilty;

Leviticus 4:14
when the sin which they have sinned concerning it hath been known, then have the assembly brought near a bullock, a son of the herd, for a sin-offering, and they have brought it in before the tent of meeting;

Leviticus 4:15
and the elders of the company have laid their hands on the head of the bullock, before Jehovah, and [one] hath slaughtered the bullock before Jehovah.

Leviticus 4:16
'And the priest who is anointed hath brought in of the blood of the bullock unto the tent of meeting,

Leviticus 4:17
and the priest hath dipped his finger in the blood, and hath sprinkled seven times before Jehovah at the front of the vail,

Leviticus 4:18
and [some] of the blood he doth put on the horns of the altar which [is] before Jehovah, which [is] in the tent of meeting; and all the blood he doth pour out at the foundation of the altar of the burnt-offering, which [is] at the opening of the tent of meeting;

Leviticus 4:19
and all its fat he doth lift up from it, and hath made perfume on the altar.

Leviticus 4:20
'And he hath done to the bullock as he hath done to the bullock of the sin-offering, so he doth to it; and the priest hath made atonement for them, and it hath been forgiven them;

Leviticus 4:21
and he hath brought out the bullock unto the outside of the camp, and hath burned it as he hath burned the first bullock; it [is] a sin-offering of the assembly.

Leviticus 4:22
'When a prince doth sin, and hath done [something against] one of all the commands of Jehovah his God [regarding things] which are not to be done, through ignorance, and hath been guilty --

Leviticus 4:23
or his sin wherein he hath sinned hath been made known unto him, then he hath brought in his offering, a kid of the goats, a male, a perfect one,

Leviticus 4:24
and he hath laid his hand on the head of the goat, and hath slaughtered it in the place where he doth slaughter the burnt-offering before Jehovah; it [is] a sin-offering.

Leviticus 4:25
'And the priest hath taken of the blood of the sin-offering with his finger, and hath put on the horns of the altar of the burnt-offering, and its blood he doth pour out at the foundation of the altar of the burnt-offering,

Leviticus 4:26
and with all its fat he doth make perfume on the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of the peace-offerings; and the priest hath made atonement for him because of his sin, and it hath been forgiven him.

Leviticus 4:27
'And if any person of the people of the land sin through ignorance, by his doing [something against] one of the commands of Jehovah [regarding things] which are not to be done, and hath been guilty --

Leviticus 4:28
or his sin which he hath sinned hath been made known unto him, then he hath brought in his offering, a kid of the goats, a perfect one, a female, for his sin which he hath sinned,

Leviticus 4:29
and he hath laid his hand on the head of the sin-offering, and hath slaughtered the sin-offering in the place of the burnt-offering.

Leviticus 4:30
'And the priest hath taken of its blood with his finger, and hath put on the horns of the altar of the burnt-offering, and all its blood he doth pour out at the foundation of the altar,

Leviticus 4:31
and all its fat he doth turn aside, as the fat hath been turned aside from off the sacrifice of the peace-offerings, and the priest hath made perfume on the altar, for sweet fragrance to Jehovah; and the priest hath made atonement for him, and it hath been forgiven him.

Leviticus 4:32
'And if he bring in a sheep [for] his offering, for a sin-offering, a female, a perfect one, he doth bring in,

Leviticus 4:33
and he hath laid his hand on the head of the sin-offering, and hath slaughtered it for a sin-offering in the place where he slaughtereth the burnt-offering.

Leviticus 4:34
'And the priest hath taken of the blood of the sin-offering with his finger, and hath put on the horns of the altar of the burnt-offering, and all its blood he poureth out at the foundation of the altar,

Leviticus 4:35
and all its fat he turneth aside, as the fat of the sheep is turned aside from the sacrifice of the peace-offerings, and the priest hath made them a perfume on the altar, according to the fire-offerings of Jehovah, and the priest hath made atonement for him, for his sin which he hath sinned, and it hath been forgiven him.

Leviticus 5:1
'And when a person doth sin, and hath heard the voice of an oath, and he [is] witness, or hath seen, or hath known -- if he declare not, then he hath borne his iniquity:

Leviticus 5:2
'Or when a person cometh against any thing unclean, or against a carcase of an unclean beast, or against a carcase of unclean cattle, or against a carcase of an unclean teeming creature, and it hath been hidden from him, and he unclean, and guilty;

Leviticus 5:3
'Or when he cometh against uncleanness of man, even any of his uncleanness whereby he is unclean, and it hath been hidden from him, and he hath known, and hath been guilty:

Leviticus 5:4
'Or when a person sweareth, speaking wrongfully with the lips to do evil, or to do good, even anything which man speaketh wrongfully with an oath, and it hath been hid from him; -- when he hath known then he hath been guilty of one of these;

Leviticus 5:5
'And it hath been when he is guilty of one of these, that he hath confessed concerning that which he hath sinned,

Leviticus 5:6
and hath brought in his guilt-offering to Jehovah for his sin which he hath sinned, a female out of the flock, a lamb, or a kid of the goats, for a sin-offering, and the priest hath made atonement for him, because of his sin.

Leviticus 5:7
'And if his hand reach not to the sufficiency of a lamb, then he hath brought in his guilt-offering -- he who hath sinned -- two turtle-doves or two young pigeons to Jehovah, one for a sin-offering, and one for a burnt-offering;

Leviticus 5:8
and he hath brought them in unto the priest, and hath brought near that which [is] for a sin-offering first, and hath wrung off its head from its neck, and doth not separate [it],

Leviticus 5:9
and he hath sprinkled of the blood of the sin-offering on the side of the altar, and that which is left of the blood is wrung out at the foundation of the altar; it [is] a sin-offering.

Leviticus 5:10
'And the second he maketh a burnt-offering, according to the ordinance, and the priest hath made atonement for him, because of his sin which he hath sinned, and it hath been forgiven him.

Leviticus 5:11
'And if his hand reach not to two turtle-doves, or to two young pigeons, then he hath brought in his offering -- he who hath sinned -- a tenth of an ephah of flour for a sin-offering; he putteth no oil on it, nor doth he put on it frankincense, for it [is] a sin-offering,

Leviticus 5:12
and he hath brought it in unto the priest, and the priest hath taken a handful from it -- the fulness of his hand -- its memorial -- and hath made perfume on the altar, according to the fire-offerings of Jehovah; it [is] a sin-offering.

Leviticus 5:13
'And the priest hath made atonement for him, for his sin which he hath sinned against one of these, and it hath been forgiven him, and [the remnant] hath been to the priest, like the present.'

Leviticus 5:14
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 5:15
'When a person committeth a trespass, and hath sinned through ignorance against the holy things of Jehovah, then he hath brought in his guilt-offering to Jehovah, a ram, a perfect one, out of the flock, at thy valuation [in] silver -- shekels by the shekel of the sanctuary -- for a guilt-offering.

Leviticus 5:16
'And that which he hath sinned against the holy thing he repayeth, and its fifth is adding to it, and hath given it to the priest, and the priest maketh atonement for him with the ram of the guilt-offering, and it hath been forgiven him.

Leviticus 5:17
'And when any person sinneth, and hath done [something against] one of all the commands of Jehovah [regarding things] which are not to be done, and hath not known, and he hath been guilty, and hath borne his iniquity,

Leviticus 5:18
'Then he hath brought in a ram, a perfect one, out of the flock, at thy valuation, for a guilt-offering, unto the priest; and the priest hath made atonement for him, for his ignorance in which he hath erred and he hath not known, and it hath been forgiven him;

Leviticus 5:19
it [is] a guilt-offering; he hath been certainly guilty before Jehovah.'

Leviticus 6:1
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:2
'When any person doth sin, and hath committed a trespass against Jehovah, and hath lied to his fellow concerning a deposit, or concerning fellowship, or concerning violent robbery, or hath oppressed his fellow;

Leviticus 6:3
or hath found a lost thing, and hath lied concerning it, and hath sworn to a falsehood, concerning one of all [these] which man doth, sinning in them:

Leviticus 6:4
'Then it hath been, when he sinneth, and hath been guilty, that he hath returned the plunder which he hath taken violently away, or the thing which he hath got by oppression, or the deposit which hath been deposited with him, or the lost thing which he hath found;

Leviticus 6:5
or all that concerning which he sweareth falsely, he hath even repaid it in its principal, and its fifth he is adding to it; to him whose it [is] he giveth it in the day of his guilt-offering.

Leviticus 6:6
'And his guilt-offering he bringeth in to Jehovah, a ram, a perfect one, out of the flock, at thy estimation, for a guilt-offering, unto the priest,

Leviticus 6:7
and the priest hath made atonement for him before Jehovah, and it hath been forgiven him, concerning one thing of all that he doth, by being guilty therein.'

Leviticus 6:8
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:9
'Command Aaron and his sons, saying, This [is] a law of the burnt-offering (it [is] the burnt-offering, because of the burning on the altar all the night unto the morning, and the fire of the altar is burning on it,)

Leviticus 6:10
that the priest hath put on his long robe of fine linen, and his fine linen trousers he doth put on his flesh, and hath lifted up the ashes which the fire consumeth with the burnt-offering on the altar, and hath put them near the altar;

Leviticus 6:11
and he hath stripped off his garments, and hath put on other garments, and hath brought out the ashes unto the outside of the camp, unto a clean place.

Leviticus 6:12
'And the fire on the altar is burning on it, it is not quenched, and the priest hath burned on it wood morning by morning, and hath arranged on it the burnt-offering, and hath made perfume on it [with] the fat of the peace-offerings;

Leviticus 6:13
fire is continually burning on the altar, it is not quenched.

Leviticus 6:14
'And this [is] a law of the present: sons of Aaron have brought it near before Jehovah unto the front of the altar,

Leviticus 6:15
and [one] hath lifted up of it with his hand from the flour of the present, and from its oil, and all the frankincense which [is] on the present, and hath made perfume on the altar, sweet fragrance -- its memorial to Jehovah.

Leviticus 6:16
'And the remnant of it do Aaron and his sons eat; [with] unleavened things it is eaten, in the holy place, in the court of the tent of meeting they do eat it.

Leviticus 6:17
It is not baken [with] any thing fermented, their portion I have given it, out of My fire-offerings; it [is] most holy, like the sin-offering, and like the guilt-offering.

Leviticus 6:18
Every male among the sons of Aaron doth eat it -- a statute age-during to your generations, out of the fire-offerings of Jehovah: all that cometh against them is holy.'

Leviticus 6:19
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:20
'This [is] an offering of Aaron and of his sons, which they bring near to Jehovah in the day of his being anointed; a tenth of the ephah of flour [for] a continual present, half of it in the morning, and half of it in the evening;

Leviticus 6:21
on a girdel with oil it is made -- fried thou dost bring it in; baked pieces of the present thou dost bring near, a sweet fragrance to Jehovah.

Leviticus 6:22
'And the priest who is anointed in his stead, from among his sons, doth make it, -- a statute age-during of Jehovah: it is completely perfumed;

Leviticus 6:23
and every present of a priest is a whole burnt-offering; it is not eaten.'

Leviticus 6:24
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:25
'Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, This [is] a law of the sin-offering: in the place where the burnt-offering is slaughtered is the sin-offering slaughtered before Jehovah; it [is] most holy.

Leviticus 6:26
'The priest who is making atonement with it doth eat it, in the holy place it is eaten, in the court of the tent of meeting;

Leviticus 6:27
all that cometh against its flesh is holy, and when [any] of its blood is sprinkled on the garment, that on which it is sprinkled thou dost wash in the holy place;

Leviticus 6:28
and an earthen vessel in which it is boiled is broken, and if in a brass vessel it is boiled, then it is scoured and rinsed with water.

Leviticus 6:29
'Every male among the priests doth eat it -- it [is] most holy;

Leviticus 6:30
and no sin-offering, [any] of whose blood is brought in unto the tent of meeting to make atonement in the sanctuary is eaten; with fire it is burnt.

Leviticus 7:1
'And this [is] a law of the guilt-offering: it [is] most holy;

Leviticus 7:2
in the place where they slaughter the burnt-offering they do slaughter the guilt-offering, and its blood [one] doth sprinkle on the altar round about,

Leviticus 7:3
and all its fat he bringeth near out of it, the fat tail, and the fat which is covering the inwards,

Leviticus 7:4
and the two kidneys, and the fat which [is] on them, which [is] on the flanks, and the redundance above the liver (beside the kidneys he doth turn it aside);

Leviticus 7:5
and the priest hath made them a perfume on the altar, a fire-offering to Jehovah; it [is] a guilt-offering.

Leviticus 7:6
'Every male among the priests doth eat it; in the holy place it is eaten -- it [is] most holy;

Leviticus 7:7
as [is] a sin-offering, so [is] a guilt-offering; one law [is] for them; the priest who maketh atonement by it -- it is his.

Leviticus 7:8
'And the priest who is bringing near any man's burnt-offering, the skin of the burnt-offering which he hath brought near, it is the priest's, his own;

Leviticus 7:9
and every present which is baked in an oven, and every one done in a frying-pan, and on a girdel, [is] the priest's who is bringing it near; it is his;

Leviticus 7:10
and every present, mixed with oil or dry, is for all the sons of Aaron -- one as another.

Leviticus 7:11
'And this [is] a law of the sacrifice of the peace-offerings which [one] bringeth near to Jehovah:

Leviticus 7:12
if for a thank-offering he bring it near, then he hath brought near with the sacrifice of thank-offering unleavened cakes mixed with oil, and thin unleavened cakes anointed with oil, and of fried flour cakes mixed with oil;

Leviticus 7:13
besides the cakes, fermented bread he doth bring near [with] his offering, besides the sacrifice of thank-offering of his peace-offerings;

Leviticus 7:14
and he hath brought near out of it one of the whole offering -- a heave-offering to Jehovah; to the priest who is sprinkling the blood of the peace-offerings -- it is his;

Leviticus 7:15
as to the flesh of the sacrifice of the thank-offering of his peace-offerings, in the day of his offering it is eaten; he doth not leave of it till morning.

Leviticus 7:16
'And if the sacrifice of his offering [is] a vow or free-will offering, in the day of his bringing near his sacrifice it is eaten; and on the morrow also the remnant of it is eaten;

Leviticus 7:17
and the remnant of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day with fire is burnt;

Leviticus 7:18
and if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace-offerings be really eaten on the third day, it is not pleasing; for him who is bringing it near it is not reckoned; it is an abominable thing, and the person who is eating of it his iniquity doth bear.

Leviticus 7:19
'And the flesh which cometh against any unclean thing is not eaten; with fire it is burnt; as to the flesh, every clean one doth eat of the flesh;

Leviticus 7:20
and the person who eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of the peace-offerings which [are] Jehovah's, and his uncleanness upon him, even that person hath been cut off from his people.

Leviticus 7:21
'And when a person cometh against any thing unclean, of the uncleanness of man, or of the uncleanness of beasts, or of any unclean teeming creature, and hath eaten of the flesh of the sacrifice of the peace-offerings which [are] Jehovah's, even that person hath been cut off from his people.'

Leviticus 7:22
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 7:23
'Speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, Any fat of ox and sheep and goat ye do not eat;

Leviticus 7:24
and the fat of a carcase, and the fat of a torn thing is prepared for any work, but ye do certainly not eat it;

Leviticus 7:25
for whoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which [one] bringeth near a fire-offering to Jehovah, even the person who eateth hath been cut off from his people.

Leviticus 7:26
'And any blood ye do not eat in all your dwellings, of fowl, or of beast;

Leviticus 7:27
any person who eateth any blood, even that person hath been cut off from his people.'

Leviticus 7:28
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 7:29
'Speak unto the sons of Israel, saying, He who is bringing near the sacrifice of his peace-offerings to Jehovah doth bring in his offering to Jehovah from the sacrifice of his peace-offerings;

Leviticus 7:30
his own hands do bring in the fire-offerings of Jehovah, the fat beside the breast, it he doth bring in with the breast, to wave it -- a wave-offering before Jehovah.

Leviticus 7:31
'And the priest hath made perfume with the fat on the altar, and the breast hath been Aaron's and his sons;

Leviticus 7:32
and the right leg ye do make a heave-offering to the priest of the sacrifices of your peace-offerings;

Leviticus 7:33
he of the sons of Aaron who is bringing near the blood of the peace-offerings, and the fat, his is the right leg for a portion.

Leviticus 7:34
'For the breast of the wave-offering, and the leg of the heave-offering, I have taken from the sons of Israel, from the sacrifices of their peace-offerings, and I give them to Aaron the priest, and to his sons, by a statute age-during, from the sons of Israel.'

Leviticus 7:35
This [is] the anointing of Aaron, and the anointing of his sons out of the fire-offerings of Jehovah, in the day he hath brought them near to act as priest to Jehovah,

Leviticus 7:36
which Jehovah hath commanded to give to them in the day of His anointing them, from the sons of Israel -- a statute age-during to their generations.

Leviticus 7:37
This [is] the law for burnt-offering, for present, and for sin-offering, and for guilt-offering, and for consecrations, and for a sacrifice of the peace-offerings,

Leviticus 7:38
which Jehovah hath commanded Moses in Mount Sinai, in the day of his commanding the sons of Israel to bring near their offerings to Jehovah, in the wilderness of Sinai.

Leviticus 8:1
And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 8:2
'Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments, and the anointing oil, and the bullock of the sin-offering, and the two rams, and the basket of unleavened things,

Leviticus 8:3
and all the company assemble thou unto the opening of the tent of meeting.'

Leviticus 8:4
And Moses doth as Jehovah hath commanded him, and the company is assembled unto the opening of the tent of meeting,

Leviticus 8:5
and Moses saith unto the company, 'This [is] the thing which Jehovah hath commanded to do.'

Leviticus 8:6
And Moses bringeth near Aaron and his sons, and doth bathe them with water,

Leviticus 8:7
and doth put on him the coat, and doth gird him with the girdle, and doth clothe him with the upper robe, and doth put on him the ephod, and doth gird him with the girdle of the ephod, and doth bind [it] to him with it,

Leviticus 8:8
and doth put on him the breastplate, and doth put unto the breastplate the Lights and the Perfections,

Leviticus 8:9
and doth put the mitre on his head, and doth put on the mitre, over-against its front, the golden flower of the holy crown, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

Leviticus 8:10
And Moses taketh the anointing oil, and anointeth the tabernacle, and all that [is] in it, and sanctifieth them;

Leviticus 8:11
and he sprinkleth of it on the altar seven times, and anointeth the altar, and all its vessels, and the laver, and its base, to sanctify them;

Leviticus 8:12
and he poureth of the anointing oil on the head of Aaron, and anointeth him to sanctify him.

Leviticus 8:13
And Moses bringeth near the sons of Aaron, and doth clothe them [with] coats, and girdeth them [with] girdles, and bindeth for them turbans, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

Leviticus 8:14
And he bringeth nigh the bullock of the sin-offering, and Aaron layeth -- his sons also -- their hands on the head of the bullock of the sin-offering,

Leviticus 8:15
and [one] slaughtereth, and Moses taketh the blood, and putteth on the horns of the altar round about with his finger, and cleanseth the altar, and the blood he hath poured out at the foundation of the altar, and sanctifieth it, to make atonement upon it.

Leviticus 8:16
And he taketh all the fat that [is] on the inwards, and the redundance above the liver, and the two kidneys, and their fat, and Moses maketh Perfume on the altar,

Leviticus 8:17
and the bullock, and its skin, and its flesh, and its dung, he hath burnt with fire, at the outside of the camp, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

Leviticus 8:18
And he bringeth near the ram of the burnt-offering, and Aaron and his sons lay their hands on the head of the ram,

Leviticus 8:19
and [one] slaughtereth, and Moses sprinkleth the blood on the altar round about;

Leviticus 8:20
and the ram he hath cut into its pieces, and Moses maketh perfume with the head, and the pieces, and the fat,

Leviticus 8:21
and the inwards and the legs he hath washed with water, and Moses maketh perfume with the whole ram on the altar; it [is] a burnt-offering, for sweet fragrance; it [is] a fire-offering to Jehovah, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

Leviticus 8:22
And he bringeth near the second ram, a ram of the consecrations, and Aaron and his sons lay their hands on the head of the ram,

Leviticus 8:23
and [one] slaughtereth, and Moses taketh of its blood, and putteth on the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and on the thumb of his right hand, and on the great toe of his right foot;

Leviticus 8:24
and he bringeth near the sons of Aaron, and Moses putteth of the blood on the tip of their right ear, and on the thumb of their right hand, and on the great toe of their right foot. And Moses sprinkleth the blood on the altar round about,

Leviticus 8:25
and taketh the fat, and the fat tail, and all the fat that [is] on the inwards, and the redundance above the liver, and the two kidneys, and their fat, and the right leg;

Leviticus 8:26
and out of the basket of unleavened things, which [is] before Jehovah, he hath taken one unleavened cake, and one cake of oiled bread, and one thin cake, and putteth [them] on the fat, and on the right leg;

Leviticus 8:27
and putteth the whole on the hands of Aaron, and on the hands of his sons, and waveth them -- a wave-offering before Jehovah.

Leviticus 8:28
And Moses taketh them from off their hands, and maketh perfume on the altar, on the burnt-offering, they [are] consecrations for sweet fragrance; it [is] a fire-offering to Jehovah;

Leviticus 8:29
and Moses taketh the breast, and waveth it -- a wave-offering before Jehovah; of the ram of the consecrations it hath been to Moses for a portion, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

Leviticus 8:30
And Moses taketh of the anointing oil, and of the blood which [is] on the altar, and sprinkleth on Aaron, on his garments, and on his sons, and on the garments of his sons with him, and he sanctifieth Aaron, his garments, and his sons, and the garments of his sons with him.

Leviticus 8:31
And Moses saith unto Aaron, and unto his sons, 'Boil ye the flesh at the opening of the tent of meeting, and there ye do eat it and the bread which [is] in the basket of the consecrations, as I have commanded, saying, Aaron and his sons do eat it.

Leviticus 8:32
'And the remnant of the flesh and of the bread with fire ye burn;

Leviticus 8:33

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barjockey
OUCH!! I just agreed with you. I don't want the fanatics making it illegal - let the states decide. I do, however, think homosexuality is wrong. I have that right. But in order to protect MY rights, I can't be taking away others'. That's why I don't want the federal government making it illegal.

Hell is cold today, I agree with Barjockey. I think there is nothing more disgusting than two men hav..... eww I cant even type it without cringing. But, if thats what floats your boat, Im not gonna tell anyone not to do anything...
Now two chicks, and Im not talking two mullet having butch lesbians, now thats hot!

Mods, delete previous post please. Screwed up.

2004-07-12 04:07:38 PM SherKhan
You obviously were born with the lean-towards-chosen-behavior gene.

Golf clap...

goblingirl666

Congratulations, you just killed the thread!

2004-07-12 04:14:38 PM barjockey

I did? My mistake!

I just feel very strongly that "seperate but equal" is never equal. Blacks paid the price for that little experiment, and it should never happen again. Civil unions pretty much amount to a seperate but equal argument.

You have every right to dislike or feel uncomfortable with whatever the hell you want, as long as you recognize the difference between feeling a prejudice and encoding it in law. In fact, I would equally defend your right to not like gays and express this freely, as I defend their rights for equal protection.

I apologize!

barjockey

Well, having read your profile just now, I guess there are a lot of things I disagree with you on too, but I am glad you don't hate me.

You seem awfully damn civilized to have had such a classic Fark insult to have been invented at your expense.

I guess the entire arguement boils down to the gay gene, doesn't it?

Gay Gene = Genetic Death Sentence

It's natures way of saying "Hey! You! Out of the gene pool, now!"

The "being gay is a choice" people are a riot.

Think logically for a second: who the hell would want to be gay when it means:

exposure to hatred and violence
social leprosy
heightened chance of STD transmission
lack of rights, etc.

What, you think people are choosing to be gay for the fashion sense? Come on.

BS, BS, BS.

/not to mention all those failed "conversion" programs.

goblingirl

First of all, what the hell was that? Second, Jesus came and fulfilled the law. The laws of old were not valid after he shed his blood for you. Sorry.

/back to the other off-topic topic...

2004-07-12 04:16:25 PM DarwinEffect

You misunderstood.

I didn't mean to imply Bush had a voting record, but Kerry's voting record is fairly close to positions Bush supports, or more specifically, issues his administration pushed.

No, Bush didn't *vote* for the authorization to use force in Iraq. But it's disingenous to say "Well, he's different than Kerry in that Bush never voted for the Iraq War."

Uppity queers wanting their rights! Send them all back to Homoslovia or wherever it is they came from!

Something came up - gotta run. Please direct all derisive, insulting, and demeaning comments to NutznGum. Thank you.

barjockey

goblingirl

First of all, what the hell was that? Second, Jesus came and fulfilled the law. The laws of old were not valid after he shed his blood for you. Sorry.

In that case, isn't ok to be gay?

Or am I forgetting some place where Jesus said that you shouldn't be gay?