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(Pravda)   If I die when sitting at this computer, I want you to accuse Bill Gates   (english.pravda.ru) divider line 45
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2004-07-11 11:22:21 AM  
Interesting editorial on the American style of not taking personal responsibility.
 
2004-07-11 01:01:59 PM  
Lame. Why does anyone use Pravda articles?
 
2004-07-11 01:05:27 PM  
Thats who I blame.

/drtfa
 
2004-07-11 01:05:52 PM  
Sad that America is so well understood by the Russians. Soon the loony left will be on here with all the victim mentality dogma. Further evidence in this article that Ronald Reagan's conservative ideas are alive and well, even in the former Evil Empire. Individuals built this country. Groups will bring it to a pitiful end. So, hell let's just go ahead and elect a liberal trial lawyer as VP.

No sense in prolonging the inevitable. I for one welcome our "tyranny of minority rule" overlords.
 
2004-07-11 01:06:59 PM  
So sad yet so true.
 
2004-07-11 01:08:07 PM  
Great article
 
2004-07-11 01:12:14 PM  
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2004-07-11 01:13:18 PM  
st8kdryver

This has nothing to do with liberal/conservative ideas. I don't think you can even come close to encapsulating this entire spectrum of retardedness with a simple liberal/conservative label. What it comes down to, basically, is greed and the lack of personal responsibility and accountability, which can be found in every area of the political spectrum. So please refrain from turning this into some partisan bullshiat.
 
2004-07-11 01:14:33 PM  
I already do accuse Bill Gates of everything, including the hangnail on my finger, my car's poor gas mileage, and controlling the weather. so I suppose I can blame him for dying too.

/twist my arm
 
2004-07-11 01:16:41 PM  
Amen, go personal responsibility!
 
2004-07-11 01:17:20 PM  
Teh truth!

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2004-07-11 01:27:42 PM  
Vladimir Putin

I disagree, comrade. But I will not throw any more malatov cocktails.

kommisar's in town!
 
2004-07-11 01:31:55 PM  
Agreed Vladimir, this has nothing to do with politics. I believe it started with the baby boomer generation. I mean, I look at my grandparents- they accept responsibility for everything. My parents- aunts, uncles, etc- they blame everyone else for their problems.

I am not saying all people from that generation, but I think they are the embodiment of this phenomenon. I am not sure how this makes it a political argument. But I am learning to ignore st8kdryver</b.
 
2004-07-11 01:32:00 PM  
Eat More Possum
Interesting editorial on the American style of not taking personal responsibility.

I blame society.

/heh
 
2004-07-11 01:43:51 PM  
Wow, a Russian found a way to effectively avert a flame war.
 
2004-07-11 01:44:15 PM  
rppp01a

What part of modern liberal ideology or what plank of the DNC platform stresses personal responsibilty? Would it be abortion on demand? Lack of any stance on Tort reform? Redistribution of wealth? Gun control?

Please feel free to ignore me. Unlike liberals, I do not confuse my right to free speech with the right to be heard.

Will you still protect me from those mean evil corporations and the industrial war complex if I don't agree with you?
 
2004-07-11 01:54:35 PM  
Bwahaha! Excellent article!
 
2004-07-11 01:58:28 PM  
I agree somewhat with st8dryver, but only because the less afluent Americans tend to be the ones who blame everyone else, and the less afluent Americans also tend to be Democrats. Probably a coincidence, but who knows.

Except Michael Moore. He blames everything on the Republicans.

People getting murdered with guns? Republicans fault.

Terrorists attack WTC? Republicans fault.

Election controversy of 2000? Republicans fault.

I'm not saying that Liberals are the only ones guilty of this, just that st8kdryver has a point.
 
2004-07-11 02:04:33 PM  
st8kdryver

You can't see the forest for the trees. Instead of clinging to the romantic notion of "individuals built this country", you should focus your energy on trying to make the group more efficient. Groups can achieve more than individuals. That's the idea behind democracy. It's an effective way, politically, for a group to work together while respecting the individual's rights.
 
2004-07-11 02:11:04 PM  
crisp

Groups can achieve more than individuals. That's the idea behind democracy.

Uhmm, no! Thats the idea behind socialist communism. And when I refer to "this country" I sure the hell wasn't talking about Canada.
 
2004-07-11 02:14:13 PM  
if I die when sitting at this computer, i want you to accuse fark.com
 
2004-07-11 02:14:34 PM  
I will always maintain that if we all just admitted we were farked up, the world would be a helluva better place. we're all to blame. get over it.
 
2004-07-11 02:17:24 PM  
st8kdryver

Uhmm, no! Thats the idea behind socialist communism. And when I refer to "this country" I sure the hell wasn't talking about Canada.

The idea that groups can achieve more than individuals is what lets you have an affordable computer, house, television, etc. It's the basis of the economy and trade. Communism and capitalism are both based on this, they just allocate resources differently.

Face it dude, all of these people with ideas that don't jive with your own aren't going away. It doesn't matter how long you spend on FARK complaining of the evil left.

/i think you hate us because we love freedom, haha
 
2004-07-11 02:19:17 PM  
yeah we're all farked up, but its our parents fault.
 
2004-07-11 02:25:07 PM  
Yes crisp, but it is the strength of the individual that unites the group. Anytime you have a group without leadership, you have an innefficient mediocrity. Trust me. I work with leaderless committees all of the time. It is the individual that leads the masses to greatness.

And trust me, there's a lot more to the differences between communism and capitalism than how they allocate their resources.
 
2004-07-11 02:27:52 PM  
crisp, communism isnt about making more for everyone together.

its about making more for government. IT's not like the people actually own anything collectively. it all belongs to whoever runs the government. communism is simply maximal disparity between haves and have-nots.

Capitalism with legal reforms is probably what most leftists actually want. The ones who want communism are just the dumb ones.

And of course, the more government and law, the less freedom. That's pretty obvious.
 
2004-07-11 02:32:25 PM  
Arcanum, Idealy it is about sharing everything with everyone, its just that ther's so much corruption in all communist governments that it doesn't work.
 
2004-07-11 02:33:31 PM  
i honestly believe that people are the problem. if the world was devoid of greed, then there could be a solid government. communism is essentially a good idea, but with all of the greed associated with the dictator, who is supposed to just regulate the laws and make sure everything runs smoothly, there can be no perfect form of government. also, if the citizens in a communist community would all work equally, there could be an honest and stable economy.

my point is that THERE IS NO ACCEPTABLE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. there cant be.
#1. GREED AND POWER BLIND THE EYES OF THOSE IN CHARGE, WHICH RUINS EVERYTHING FOR THOSE UNDER RULE.
#2. THERE CANT BE AN ABSENCE OF GOVERNMENT. it doesnt work like that. there will always be someone in charge. with all of the people in the world, everybody cant go through their life without coming in contact with another person. for things to work, you need someone to make desicions. which brings me to point
#3. THERE HAS TO BE A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT.

therefore, we are all fizzled. nobody can ever be happy. your best bet is to be the governor, not the governee.
 
2004-07-11 02:33:53 PM  
crisp

Do you live in that part of Canada that tried to sucede from the rest of Canada, or were they trying to get away from people like you.

go get a clue, eh
 
2004-07-11 02:35:26 PM  
Gee, I hope no one interrupts this flamewar with PhotoShop images.

/cheek hurts from tongue pressure
 
2004-07-11 02:36:00 PM  
They forgot to add if someone hijacks some planes and runs them into some building killing thousands of people everyone will blame the president.
 
2004-07-11 02:37:04 PM  
st8kdryver

We could argue all day, but it wouldn't change the fact that your mother never loved you.
 
2004-07-11 02:37:15 PM  
adilsfearsnone, Under a democracy, you are the governor. In a democratic republic like America, the people get to select their leaders, if the people get dissatisfied with their leaders, they can select others when their terms expire.
 
2004-07-11 02:39:21 PM  
untrustworthy

And trust me, there's a lot more to the differences between communism and capitalism than how they allocate their resources.

I'm confused over whether to trust you or not, given your name. :)
 
2004-07-11 02:57:35 PM  
crisp

I agree that we could argue all day. That would not change the fact that you fail to grasp even the basic fundamental differences between communism and capitalism. Maybe, that's why Canada is such a "super power"

I think we should just call Canada, America Lite. You guys make a good beer, but that's about it.
 
2004-07-11 03:05:55 PM  
Good point crisp. Let me know if you figure it out.
 
2004-07-11 03:38:52 PM  
st8kdryver

Why does this have to be about Canada? I miss the days when it was just you and me.
 
2004-07-11 03:56:09 PM  
crisp
"Group before individual" is socialism, according to the experts who write our textbooks. But, hell, what does a PhD in economics know compared to you?

America was founded so an individual (come to think of it, when I had to read the constitution in Civics, I heard that phrase a whole lot more than 'community" or "group.") could live up to his dreams and turn himself into a success, not "the community." If someone wants something, they must acquire themselves, not wait for someone to just hand it to them.
 
2004-07-11 03:57:25 PM  
St8kdryver:

So, hell let's just go ahead and elect a liberal trial lawyer as VP

Oh come on, you need to give him credit where credit is due. He's built his fortune and made millions as prestigious "Personal Injury" attorney going after property owners in slip & fall cases. Doesn't that count for something?
 
2004-07-11 04:20:43 PM  
No ones thrown out the word Humanism yet. Humanism is the belief that a person has potential and if given the opportunity he can reach his potential for him/herself. Humanism separates advanced societies from uncivilized ones.
 
2004-07-11 05:27:10 PM  
If my memory serves me doesn't PRAVDA mean Truth in Russian. Class action lawyers have really sent our reputation skidding and the PI types, who typically take 33 to 45 percent of the judgementAFTER expenses (1000000 he takes 40000 PLUS his expenses) and you get the rest. And the Dimocrats want to elect one of the worst of a breed of pseudoscience con artists who have gotten rich off the total lack of any idea of personal responsibility.

BTW I am a lawyer and I hate these class action/PI freaks.
 
2004-07-11 05:57:27 PM  

st8kdryver



I think we should just call Canada, America Lite. You guys make a good beer, but that's about it.


We do call them America Lite. But they have more than just good beer: They have great strippers too!
 
2004-07-11 06:12:07 PM  
Hero Boy

No ones thrown out the word Humanism yet. Humanism is the belief that a person has potential and if given the opportunity he can reach his potential for him/herself. Humanism separates advanced societies from uncivilized ones.


Interesting. Hadn't heard that word before, but was going to long windedly point out those kinds of principles...

The problem is that currently opportunities are quite limited. Especially in a country where opportunity is essentially equal to wealth, and the people in control are taking more and more away from the general population. Right now one of the best opportunities (lowest cost and highest profit) is to get injured and sue someone.

So, st8kdryver, perhaps these victim mentality people you speak of are also the individuals you praise!

Of course, another factor is that all the wealth of the "haves" in this country is derived from the spending of the "have-nots" or "sort of haves" (middle class). Every cut in wages cuts the amount of money we can spend on their products. I think the rich are losing sight of that principle, trying to artificially inflate profits with offshoring, lowering wages and layoffs.
 
2004-07-12 09:43:06 AM  
Telos

So, st8kdryver, perhaps these victim mentality people you speak of are also the individuals you praise!

The problem is that currently opportunities are quite limited.


Perhaps you are just a whiney assed little victim
 
2004-07-12 11:05:08 AM  
eh...f this guy.
 
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