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(MSNBC)   Lakers and Miami Heat agree on Shaquille O'Neal trade. Balance of power, weight shifting east   ( divider line
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2004-07-11 01:54:50 AM  
Hey, we can have Steve Francis against O'Neal again in the first round of the play-offs. Deja vu.
2004-07-11 01:58:29 AM  
Miami just pwn3d us.

2004-07-11 03:33:24 AM  
If Bryant re-signs, the Lakers could be looking at a starting lineup next season of the 6-foot-9 Grant at center, Odom at power forward, Butler at small forward, Gary Payton at point guard and Bryant at shooting guard.

Sad, Just sad..
2004-07-11 03:52:00 AM  
If Bryant re-signs. He is so loyal, and such a team guy.
2004-07-11 05:15:08 AM  
No way in fark will Bryant resign. He will probably go to the Clippers, his wife loves southern cal. and if he doesnt want to divorce, he should keep her happy. I wouldn't be surprised no matter where he went, but hopefully we will find out come Wednesday.

Malone surely won't stick around if he would be on the bench.
2004-07-11 12:59:09 PM  
Can already hear Will Smith repeatedly being played on every news broadcast.
2004-07-11 01:01:43 PM  
f he doesnt want to divorce, he should keep her happy.

-Right because I'm sure the whole rape/adultery thing put a huge smile on her face...

Back to the subject, I wish the Knicks got him. Oh no! We suck again!
2004-07-11 01:03:14 PM  
Back to Florida, the state he couldn't wait to leave for LA, so he could get a ring?
2004-07-11 01:10:18 PM  
Bad trade for both...Shaq is washed up, the Heat will get two or so years out of him, and the Lakers will end up with 8 small forwards on their roster
2004-07-11 01:12:25 PM  
The West still has Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. We'll see about this whole balance of power thing.
2004-07-11 01:13:46 PM  
Yay! The Lakers are no more!

So this is what happens when you take a 1st year starting squad and have them reach the finals- only to lose. Tear the team apart! Sounds logical to me.

Maybe this will continue the 'new' trend started by Detroit to balance out the power base of the NBA. How long has the West dominated?
2004-07-11 01:17:30 PM  
How they couldn't get Dwayne Wade in the deal is beyond me, being that Gary Payton will burst into flames at anytime.
2004-07-11 01:22:39 PM  
Dear God,

Thank you for answering my prayers. I suppose it was too much to ask to completely get ride of the Lakers like you did the Raiders. Now perhaps I can drive down a Frwy and not sit in traffic jams full of rabid loser sports fans. Keep Britney out of Staples and life will be good.
2004-07-11 01:29:46 PM  
Shaq and Wade are giving this Pacers fan nightmares.
2004-07-11 01:31:28 PM  
The west has dominated pretty much since Jordan's second retirement, and O'neal going to the Lakers. Since then the western teams have been throwing money around in order to try and match up with L.A. Same thing that happened in the east during the 80's and 90's when we had Detroit and Chicago running the show. The pendulum swings again. It does, however, make me giddy to know that the west has opened up a bit, and that nobody but nobody can just buy a championship. My Blazers tried it three seasons ago, and they ended up looking silly too.

/Lakers now = 1980's Kings
2004-07-11 01:34:32 PM  
Shaq would still be in Orlando if Richard deVos wasn't such a farking cheap bastich.

Sell more soap, you pwn3d Amway robots!!!!111!!111!

2004-07-11 01:35:02 PM  
Oneal is really helping his career with this move. First of all hes going to a conference where no one really knows how to handle him as well as they should because they aren't used to playing him alot, and secondly he's going to a place where dominating centers are like nonexistant so he should be able to put up huge numbers. He's going to be the man in Miami, how much he plays and how long he lasts is completely up to him, he needs to get motivated and work out in the off season to really work hard and make the lakers sorry for letting him go.

/God i hate the Lakers.
2004-07-11 01:35:08 PM  
who cares..they are done with

Spurs are gonna win it all
2004-07-11 01:41:51 PM  
boo the shiat outta him

/lakers suck regardless
2004-07-11 01:45:00 PM  
Breaking up a team to get Shaq? Short-term gain for long-term pain, I say. Unless they extend his contract for two or three more years. Then that would be really, really stooopid.

/ Knicks fan -- Isaih Thomas hater
2004-07-11 01:52:17 PM  
Much as I love the diesel, his contract pays him $27.7 million for this coming season and $30 million in 05'-06'. That is a lot of salary to free up for the Lakers who need to re-sign Kobe.

The 3 players we are getting from Miami all have talent but the trade is obviously better for Miami in that dept (if Shaq can avoid injury which he has not of late). But it leaves the Lakers a lot of $$ for the future- and not just for Kobe either.
2004-07-11 01:56:38 PM  
Getting farked over in a trade couldnt' happen to a finer team then the Lakers. The Heat should have at leas thrown in some magic beans or something to even out the trade. Btw, Kobe's still a douchebag, Clipper or a Laker.
2004-07-11 02:02:08 PM  
weight shifting, ha. Shaq is quite the fatass
2004-07-11 02:07:27 PM  
If Shaq's going to Miyami (yes, I meant it that way) the only folks that should be worried are the models and ho-wannabes on South Beach. He's over.
2004-07-11 02:07:33 PM  

Did you read this part of the article?

Under the NBA's collective-bargaining agreement, the Lakers had to take on contracts worth within 15% of O'Neal's $27.7-million salary. According to the Times, Odom is due to make $9 million next season, Grant $13.2 million and Butler $1.9 million. Odom's contract runs through the 2007-08 season, Grant's through 2005-06. If Bryant re-signs, and Odom and Grant are on the roster, then the Lakers will have little chance of obtaining a high-level free agent in the near future.
2004-07-11 02:18:22 PM  
Shaq would still be in Orlando if Richard deVos wasn't such a farking cheap bastich.

You're definitely right... but I don't want Shaq back in a Mgic uniform. Fark Shaq!

/All hopes of getting Tim Duncan on the Magic are over after last season's results.
2004-07-11 02:29:00 PM  
Shaq is an oaf. Everything he does with the ball in his hand could be whistled an offensive foul, and until the League starts penalizing him, I'm not watching his punk ass.
2004-07-11 02:50:27 PM  
What were the Lakers to do? Not trade him and watch him sit out the year in protest or with some kind of intangible injury?

I cannot wait to start reading quotes from Shaq coming out of Miami, especially once the season starts. He blasted Orlando when he left, and now he will blast L.A. It should be hilarious.

As for the Lakers, they just got a whole lot younger, and have the starting tools for a good rebuild that could make them championship caliber in a couple years.

Shaq will play for about four more years at most before his knees blow out from the massive weight. I cannot imagine paying him the extension he wanted when he is on the decline.

As a Laker fan, perhaps the best thing that could happen now is for Kobe to leave. Then the team will be free of the massive egos and have some good guys ont he team.

Then again, I am talking out my ass because Kobe is the best player in the league.
2004-07-11 02:51:58 PM  
Balance of power remains clearly in the West. Even if Shaq goes to Miami, the west still has the Spurs, and next year's champs, the T-Wolves. Wolves were the #1 seed last year and only lost to the Lakers. Spree, Sam, and the Ticket will bring home the hardware.

East=Junior Varsity (still)
2004-07-11 03:35:14 PM  
"Shaquille ONeal, arguably the most dominant player in the NBA today"

HAHAHAHAHA, read the first line of the article then look at the picture of shaq, he looks bamboozled. and he is the most dominant player today?
2004-07-11 04:07:30 PM  
Yeah Junior Varsity who destoryed the Lakers

/Go Pistions
2004-07-11 07:31:12 PM  
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Your average Heat fan.


/and take the Panthers with you.
2004-07-11 07:46:06 PM  
If this trade goes through, look for the Lakers to go after Eric Dampier in a sign and trade.
2004-07-11 08:48:49 PM  
Shaq and his unwanted titty fat: Out
2004-07-11 08:59:31 PM  
fark you Mavs, you bastards!!! We lose Nash, and don't get Shaq, we blow hard.
2004-07-11 09:29:54 PM  
Ya Shaq is gone. He was so annoying. I can't wait till he retires so he can balloon up to 600 lbs. Mabye now Laker basketball will be interesting again. Actually having to try during the regular season or the first three quarters!!!

Now mabye the Lakers can play a similar basketball style to the Kings of yore, ya know before this past year... I always felt kinda guilty enjoying Kings games.

/laker fan
2004-07-11 11:15:14 PM  
2004-07-11 11:18:47 PM  
Failing to get Dwayne Wade is not the failure...the failure is not getting Eddie Jones back.

I still would have never dealt him Kobe, and now that Kobe's gone, and he's managed to piss off Shaq, it's all the more obvious that I was right.

Too bad I'm not an NBA GM and that no one in the NBA gives a flying phark what I have to say.

/still loves Eddie Jones
2004-07-12 12:20:43 AM  
If Bryant re-signs, the Lakers could be looking at a starting lineup next season of the 6-foot-9 Grant at center, Odom at power forward, Butler at small forward, Gary Payton at point guard and Bryant at shooting guard.

This guy seems to be forgetting Medvedenko, Fox, George, Walton and possibly Malone. I don't see these Miami guys being starters.

Spurs are going to be hurt pretty bad with Ginobili's departure, Dallas by Nash's departure and the Kings are falling apart. Garnett still doesn't have enough help. In the East, Rasheed Wallace might not re-sign with the Pistons, might go elsewhere for more money. A lot of things are up in the air, will be a surprising and interesting season next year, if the country doesn't fall into civil war.
2004-07-12 03:21:26 AM  
Remember, the west's got T Mac and Yao. or the new Shaq and Kobe without the BS.

/Rockets fan, and Magic fan in some way.
2004-07-12 04:23:48 AM  
ok, nobody is gonna read it but what the fark eh?

First of all, Eddie Jones choked during the playoffs when he was a Laker. He choked during the playoffs as a Miami Heat. That is the reason why Jerry West dealt is old arse.

As for the Heat players not starting for the Lakers, please. Odom, Butler, and Grant are better than Medvedenko (defense limited), Fox (old and busted), George (dumb), Walton (too green), and Malone (old and busted).
2004-07-12 04:28:56 AM  
Oh btw, Ginobili isn't going anywhere. He has verbally agreed to resign with the Spurs. Lets hope he doesn't bamboozer the Spurs like Carlos Boozer the Loozer.
2004-07-12 06:12:26 AM  

First of all, Eddie Jones choked during the playoffs when he was a Laker. He choked during the playoffs as a Miami Heat. That is the reason why Jerry West dealt is old arse.

No, the reason he dealt Eddie was to get Kobe and avoid paying Eddie.

Regardless, Eddie Jones "choked" because he's not the person who should be the focal point of your team.

Honestly, (and this is my own whacked out opinion) I think he's a better all-around player than Garnett is because he can move around the floor better.

Now if you need ONE guy to take over a game, KG, there's no doubt. If you are going to surround Eddie with talent...there's no better. Only Jason Kidd comes close. Eddie can pass, rebound, get steals, play defense, run plays...he's in the right place at the right time.

But even he could not make Vlade Divac better. Kobe is very good to have for a clutch shooter, I don't deny that, but Eddie adds WAY above average skills in every category, though his FG shooting has been bad since he's been the focal point of Miami's offense. Man, he even shoots FT well.

If you look at the Lakers, and why they lost, it comes down to:

Selfishness (Eddie is not)
Poor defense (Eddie is a top 5 defender)
Fouls (Eddie does not draw fouls)
No one provided a spark (Eddie can make people better)
Rebounding (for a 6'6" guard, he's good at getting boards)

I give credit to Luke Walton for making his team better...Fisher does the same thing, Payton could not...but as far as TEAM goes, you can't deny Eddie's value as a team player in a league full of selfish players who lack basic fundamental skills.

That's all I'm saying.
2004-07-12 09:20:04 AM  
Hey, didn't the balance of power already shift east when the Pistons kicked everybody's ASS in the playoffs?

...or maybe it's just me?
2004-07-12 11:28:57 AM  
From a huge Laker fan now living in Miami (2nd favorite team). First of all, Shaq is one of my favorites, so him coming to Miami is great for me. As far as for the Heat, you are breaking up a team how got pretty deep in the playoffs last year, despite playing way over their heads. Grant gets paid way too much, Odom is well worth his money, and Butler is a steal for the Lakers + a draft pick (which now a days doesn't get you much). How will VanGrumpy coach a big fella? And what if Kobe doesn't resign! That would be great, the Lakers forcing Phil and Shaq out, dumb. And why did Magic let this happen? So now, the Heat have the big man, and a Wade, but what else? Eddie Jones, although a local boy, is a role player, bottom line. Not a great outside shooter and still doesn't have an NBA body. He get's pushed around like a rag doll. I don't get it, on either side.
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