EmilyK
as for you being a dork, I am a science major which by definition makes me at least a "geek"

I'll see your science major and raise you one philosophy degree :-)

I still think I "win" , egriffin , except that my major is really forensic biology
and if anyone asks me about CSI I will personally get felonious on them LOL
you wanna call it a draw?
oh yeah I almost *forgot* I have a literature degree already
maybe I win?

egriffin okay I'll make you a deal...whoever goes totalfark first "wins"
/giggling just a little

damn I was really hoping COMALite J would respond to ,y response. But I don't know if it was the good EmilyK or the bad EmilyK who wanted that to happen.
/cackles a little inside

of course I meant my not ",y"
dang. always preview, starting at beer 2

COMALite J
...by that definition, homosexuality is a perversion and disorder, no matter what the American Psychiatric Association says for whatever political reasons.)

Well, since we both agree that the APA and the DSM are both pretty much unadulterated crap, why don't we leave the bigotry out of this? By the reasoning you posted, if an act goes against it's purpose, then it's a perversion. So where does wearing a condom fit in? Sex with a condom is specifically aiming to thwart the natural end of sex, i.e. procreation. Wouldn't that fall into this broad category of perversion?

This kind of thing is why I loathe psychology. It's just one more way of making us all different. Science unifies us, so-called "social sciences" like psychology and sociology are built upon stratifying society. I take umbrage with that. You want progression, social and scientific? Then work on unifying us as we are meant to be. There is no race. There is only one specie. Let's start acting like it.

/end rant
/somewhat intoxicated (sad really, used to have a tolerance. ah, i miss college)
/agree with EmilyK. don't drink and fark.

EmilyK
okay I'll make you a deal...whoever goes totalfark first "wins"

i declare myself the loser then. shiat just ain't worth money. (no offense Drew. i'm just poor and need to watch my expenditures)

i think a draw is in order. you've got lit and forensic bio. i've got phil and cognitive science (read: neuroscience/psych with a liberal arts slant).

egriffin I do agree that the DSM is far from perfect, but it is the current standard in the mental health profession as to what is a disorder and what is not. and for the record the DSM has not considered homosexuality a disorder for over twenty five years.
DISCLAIMER
I am somewhat biased as to psychology. My father was a child psychologist and he put mother through school for a BA in psychology.
END DISCLAIMER
However I consider most pychologists as well-intentioned, and the categoriztion you describe is meant to help people, not pigeonhole them, much like a medial diagnosis.

EmilyK
I do agree that the DSM is far from perfect, but it is the current standard in the mental health profession as to what is a disorder and what is not. and for the record the DSM has not considered homosexuality a disorder for over twenty five years

Very true. But as far as I can remember, it doesn't really give a good set of criteria for disorder. And beyond that, if I remember correctly, the DSM-IV still lists transexuality and transgenderism as disorders. Seems hard to justify that homosexuality is not a disorder, but transexuality is. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

The DSM is way too political for my tastes, and I guess that's really my problem with the whole shebang. Doctors (and not just MDs, but anyone whose goal is to aid mankind) should not be swayed by anything but the greater good, and certainly not political concerns.

To save the DSM, I think a set criterion to determine what constitutes a mental disorder is required.

/thus spoke a stubbornly diehard idealist

Catholics are child molestors = Jews are big-nosed and cheap and Muslims are terrorists.

If there's one lesson you can learn on Fark, it's that it's okay to drop a big, stinking deuce on someone else's religion with an ignorant, sweeping generalization. Right, shiatbags?

EmilyK

In my last post, I failed to mention that I do agree with your comment on the intentions of most psychologists.

I would not be here without well-meaning shrinks. In college, I needed help with a substance abuse problem, and got it through my school's free counseling service staffed through our hospital. Without the help of that counselor and my friends, I have no doubt that I wouldn't be here typing.

Believe me, I have nothing but respect for the noble goals of the vast majority people who enter the field. I just think they've got a LONG way to go, especially in the realm of methodology.

/probably more than most people needed to know
/oh well, f*ck it, i'm not ashamed.

egriffin I can't really disagree with anything you just said.
have to go for awhile

EmilyK
I can't really disagree with anything you just said.
have to go for awhile

I concur. Work comes much too early in the morning for my tastes.

Anyways, one boddington's for the road!

Iechyd da!

/yet another new word for you, assuming you don't speak Welsh ;-)

Blhack
CigaretteSmokingMan HOw does that photoshop picture have anything to do with evolution in reverse?

Res ipsa loquitur.

Really, I can believe that some boys were abused, but THAT many? Sadly, in this day and age, I have to believe that some people are just jumping on the bandwagon to cash in.


/sad if true, but reputation is well deserved.

You know, we wouldn't have this problem if they'd just drag out a few of these sodomite priests and burn them at the stake.

Cardinal Ratzinger, why aren't you doing your job?

wow cigarettesmokingman you got me good with that response!

The point is, fark is hardly a moral authority. I'm not defending the catholics, I'm just calling it like it is. Unfortunately it appears I offended the Fark Political Correctness Brigade.

Iechyd da! no clue here sorry

Res ipsa loquitur and my latin is very very rusty

help?

and

2004-07-09 12:48:28 AM Borninfire

Really, I can believe that some boys were abused, but THAT many? Sadly, in this day and age, I have to believe that some people are just jumping on the bandwagon to cash in.

oh yeah if there's a bandwagown I'd want to jump on this would be it, the fame, the glory
/sarcasm

painendstheass I am too lazy to scroll up I admit. how is it again that you offended the Fark Political Correctness Brigade?

EmilyK

Iechyd da!

Welsh: Good Health!

A la "Slainte Mhath!"

Just thought I'd keep a theme going...

And my latin is even rustier than yours. I have no idea what Res ipsa loquitur means. Oh well.

As for the "bandwagaon"...wouldn't that be the new hotness? "Check me out, y'all! I had my anus breached by a Catholic priest!" yeah, I bet that cat gets all the prom dates he wants...

Farkin ridiculous.

What does PRIEST stand for?

Paedophile ring in every small town!!

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I think if you are a sicko that's into fiddling kids then you'll try and get into a profession where you can get near them and are in a pseudo-position of power. That's why there are so many teachers, priests etc etc found out to be dorty paedos.
Hang 'em high, I say.

Blhack
wow cigarettesmokingman you got me good with that response!

No, I'd say you got yourself.

Blhack

[i have no explanation for that problem. This is why i have an evolution/creationism belief(god created us, we have changed since then because the creation process is still underway). ]

This is the "starting gate god" theory, essentially God got things jump started then let evolution take it's natural course. I admit it is a possibility, though not the one that I subscribe to.

The existance or non-existance of a god or gods is a question of faith and logic, while whether or not evolution occurs is a question of science - many people cannot separate the two. Faith and science are not mutually exclusive, once you realize that you need not fear science, because science is a quest for the truth - no matter what that truth may be.

/realizes this is a day late

The only real problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them under long enough.

Nice. A peace loving, John Lennon 'Imagine' listening, tolerant athiest showing his true colors.

Actually, that's Molly Ivins, I believe.

The Ann Coulter of the left.

I hate to rain on the parade, but the Catholic Church agrees with evolution. The Church has always been slow to change its scientific viewpoints (i.e. Earth being flat, center of universe, etc.). However, when faced with overwheling evidence the views have changed. As far as evolution goes, who says that God is not making the changes happen?

A lot of people blame celibacy, and I think that might be justified. If there's a lady around to soothe those urges, and maybe if the priest is a moral man who can't control himself he'd go that route. I'd like to see celibacy made optional, myself.

I doubt a man who gets his jollies from young boys would be satisfied with being married to an adult woman. If priests were having kids with long term girlfriends, then that would be a different story.

Yes, I believe the Catholic Church should ordain married men, but that is an entirely different issue from the pedophilia scandal.

I hate to rain on the parade, but the Catholic Church agrees with evolution. The Church has always been slow to change its scientific viewpoints (i.e. Earth being flat, center of universe, etc.). However, when faced with overwheling evidence the views have changed. As far as evolution goes, who says that God is not making the changes happen?

More specifically, the Catholic Church has said that the theory of evolution does not contradict Catholic teaching. However, they have said the following things about the creation.

1. God created the universe and everything in it.
2. God created man in God's own image.

The theory of evolution does not contradict either of these and is therefore irrelavent as far as the Church is concerned.

Bob Sacamano, wayward2

Finally, someone gets what I've been saying since I started Farking:

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive!

the more i learn about science (especially physics) the more i know that there is no way there isn't a god.

Like Woody Allen said, "Physics and Orgasms" is what to live by. Besides, if there was a God, who created it?

And I don't buy he's always existed cause that doesn't answer the question of where he came from.

If you want to get a good laugh, read "The Last Question" by Isaac Asimov. Its a short story.