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2004-07-08 12:20:24 PM  
SockMonkeyHolocaust

I like your photoshops and your comments.

Don't do a Hitler.
 
2004-07-08 12:20:39 PM  
Uh,

Doesnt the vatican have something like 1/5th of the worlds wealth?

They could pay off ALL of this by putting two trikets from the vatican's vaults up for auction.
 
2004-07-08 12:20:54 PM  
"I've yet to meet a 40 year old atheist."

Hi, I'm MeshMan. Please keep that book out of laws and social policy.
 
2004-07-08 12:21:07 PM  
Damnit. Deism, rather
 
2004-07-08 12:22:18 PM  
Headline is right on...
As a former Catholic the church knowingly covered-up constant abuse..then would transfer the predator to an unsuspecting new parish to start the process all over..The various archdioceses had knowledge and the enabled the abuse..aided and abetted..there is no defense..there isn't a bible passage that requires that pedophiles be tolerated and allowed to prey on the innocent. the church should have spent the same energy on preventing abuse as it does on abortion and contraception..
 
2004-07-08 12:22:28 PM  
There was always something that didn't sit right with me when an old man who never had heterosexual sex started preaching about how abortion was wrong, et al.

By that logic he couldn't advise you against skydiving without a parachute.
 
2004-07-08 12:23:11 PM  
2004-07-08 12:16:24 PM Smookyfufu

I've yet to meet a 40 year old atheist.


Interesting. The atheist and free-thinking societies I've belonged to have been predominantly people in their 40s and 50s. In fact, one concern is that they're so overrun by older people, they're afraid younger people might not return.
 
2004-07-08 12:23:31 PM  
I hope this forces people to demand that criminal charges be filed instead of civil suits.
 
2004-07-08 12:23:38 PM  
So if this is true, what is happening to all the $$ people are still putting in the collection plates each Sunday?

/Organized Religion - more corrupt than politicians
 
2004-07-08 12:24:49 PM  
Smookyfufu

[Atheists tend to be stuck in the high school thought of "God is dead and is the source of my problems and i'm gonna rebel against the establishment yeah yeah yeah ROCK ON" type of thought... They either become agnostics (when they've matured) or actually join some sort of faith.]

And theist tend to be stuck in elementary school of of "Yes, I will believe anything I am told to and never question anything yeah yeah yeah PREACH ON" thought... They either remain deluded (since they never really mature) or actually start thinking and become atheists or agnostics.

/Look at me, I can generalize too.
 
2004-07-08 12:24:50 PM  
Jeez. I'm a Catholic. But I'm not a church going one. And I would never leave my little boy alone with a priest. I guess I'm not very useful to my own religion.

This move is awful. The whole thing is awful.
 
IPS
2004-07-08 12:24:57 PM  
Hmmm seems the lyrics to Alanis' song Forgiven is very appropriate here....."I confess my darkest secrets to an envious man"
 
2004-07-08 12:25:29 PM  
Isn't John Kerry a Catholic?

Just askin....
 
2004-07-08 12:26:02 PM  
2004-07-08 12:23:38 PM suebhoney


So if this is true, what is happening to all the $$ people are still putting in the collection plates each Sunday?

--
Food, medicine, adminstrative expenses

/thats the truth
 
2004-07-08 12:27:18 PM  
LawPD

Google
 
2004-07-08 12:28:29 PM  
weaver95

Actually, there wouldn't be so much starvation in Africa if the UN would get off it's high horse and allow genetically modified food crops to be exported to the continent.

But then again, that wouldn't push the eco-nutter agenda or bring in the bribes quite like the current situation.


Spot on with that one, guy.
 
2004-07-08 12:29:02 PM  
Something's wrong with Mark Alessi!?
 
2004-07-08 12:29:22 PM  
TheGooninator

[So if this is true, what is happening to all the $$ people are still putting in the collection plates each Sunday?

--
Food, medicine, adminstrative expenses

/thats the truth]

No, that money is going to lawyers and settlements for sexual abuse victims.
 
2004-07-08 12:29:22 PM  
MacG

Yeah, I know.......but........

/winces
 
2004-07-08 12:29:51 PM  
Do Catholic preists get excited when they look at baby Jesus?
 
2004-07-08 12:30:54 PM  
Interestingly, sexual abuse by priests occurs at a lower rate than the population in general, and is 5 times less common than abuse by homosexual men. Yet these groups aren't demonized.

I agree that priests should be held to a higher standard, and any instance of abuse is unacceptable. If nothing else, the Church will grow stronger in a generation or so because of all of this. The liberalization of the clergy that led to vows of celibacy being taken lightly is showing its damaging effects, and new orthodox zealous priests who are unafraid to preach and practice the Truth of Christ will take their place, inspiring the faithful and adding a brilliant new chapter to the proud history of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
2004-07-08 12:31:18 PM  
2004-07-08 12:29:51 PM HotWingConspiracy

Do Catholic preists get excited when they look at baby Jesus?


The whole symbolism of swallowing the "body of Christ" has suddenly become deeply disturbing to me.
 
2004-07-08 12:33:21 PM  
"The pot of gold is pretty much empty right now,"

evil farking statement. As if the victims were following a rainbow up a priests cloak.

(the only thing to find there are a pair of shamrocks) /handbasket.
 
2004-07-08 12:33:38 PM  
" LeftyLiebowitz


Has anyone really explored the question as to why the Catholic Church became (or always had been) such a haven for boy-touchers? I mean, does the church just attract this type of people into the priesthood, or might it be the sexual represive attitudes of the church that could have led to something like this? "

I recall reading somewhere that the percentage of priests that had child molester tendencies was somewhere around 2%, the same as the rest of society. I think that you hear about it more in priests because a) it makes a really good scandal news story, b) everyone wants a cut of the pie, and chester the molester who dresses up as santa claus does not have the vast $$$ that the catholic church has.

Are all the people accusing the church/priests of child molestation out for the money? Probably not, but I suspect that more then a few of these stories are false and that people are just trying to score off of "holy mother church"

For the record I went to catholic schools from 2nd grade through high school in the 80's and no one had heard of this kind of "action" until the first big "payoffs" of $$$ to the "victems". Maybe I should make up a sad/sob story and try to get rich, to bad I actually liked the priests where I grew up and couldn't sell the story if I wanted to.
 
2004-07-08 12:36:08 PM  
That tears it. Time to turn Vatican City into a glass parking lot.
 
2004-07-08 12:36:26 PM  
The Catholic church has been around for some 2000 years, longer than some countries. It has seen scandals in it's past, and survived. I'm not worried about the future existance of the church.

I was going to say something, but trying to have a logical conversation on Fark is impossible. Feel free to e-mail me if you want to have a serious conversation, though, check my profile for the address.

/Catholic and proud of it.
//Never told anyone they were going to Hell.
///Considering the priesthood.
 
2004-07-08 12:36:40 PM  
I could put an end to this scandal right now.

Announce that the Catholic Church has 6 months to turn over any and all internal records on abusive priests and let the secular authorities take over the investigation/punishment. After that six months anytime another accusation comes up the CC loses its tax-exempt status for 1 year. You'll not only see every diocese in the 50 states bury the police in files but you'll see the CC (like the rest of the Jesus, Inc. organizations) show what their real priority is.
 
2004-07-08 12:37:19 PM  
WTF!

Gold, jewels, art, etc and they have the balls to claim bankruptcy?

Time to auction off all that stuff. I wanna bid on the Popes solid gold throne.
 
2004-07-08 12:41:04 PM  
2004-07-08 12:31:18 PM jay_vee [TotalFark]
The whole symbolism of swallowing the "body of Christ" has suddenly become deeply disturbing to me.

It's not symbolism. Every object has two layers of being, the layer of accidence and the layer of substance. Take, for example, a wooden stool. On the layer of accidence, it happens to be a stool, on the layer of substance, it is wood. During the Mass, the offering of bread and wine is transformed on the layer of substance into the body and blood of Christ. This is called Transubstantiation. That's the really short version, but it's really important to Catholic belief.
 
2004-07-08 12:41:48 PM  
Yellow#5
Come on, you expect me to admit here on Fark that not every athiest I ever met wasn't an intolerable moran who could do nothing but look down his nose at me?
I'm sure there are a lot of athiests who would tell you to your face that you're going to hell, too becau... uh, wait a minute...
 
2004-07-08 12:42:28 PM  
Blaming the Church for the terrible situation in Africa is not only bigoted, it shows just how ignorant people are of conditions over there.

Want to 'fix' Africa?

1. Get the UN out of the way.
2. Allow GM crops to be exported to the continent.
3. Allow the use of DDT and other pesticides - malaria is killing people and it's easily preventable!
4. Let them build an infrastructure! If they want to build power plants, roads, dams, power lines - quit holding up the funds and 'lamenting the loss of biodiverity' and LET THEM MOVE INTO THE 21st CENTURY!
5. Lastly, allow them to exploit thier natural resources without constant protests! Just because YOU like trees, other people shouldn't have to starve to death. You don't live there, you aren't living in poverty. STFU.

Just my .02 cents.
 
2004-07-08 12:43:15 PM  

I hate to throw a fact grenade into this anti-Catholic flamewar...

No I don't.

A sample from the link:

[Historian Stephen] Jenkins, an Episcopalian, thinks a 1992 survey from the Chicago Archdiocese is more representative of the true picture in Catholicism.

Among 2,252 priests serving over four decades, 39 priests (1.7 percent) apparently abused minors. Only one abuser could be termed a pedophile under the strict, clinical definition of the word -- meaning the victim was prepubescent.

"I am prepared to be convinced the Catholics have a bigger problem" than Protestants, Jenkins said, but nobody has good data, partly because Protestant groups are too numerous. "I certainly haven't seen anything, and I'm looking hard."
 
2004-07-08 12:43:21 PM  
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2004-07-08 12:44:18 PM  
Weaver95

Please stop making sense, you're confusing me.
 
2004-07-08 12:44:20 PM  

You guys are so biased against Catholics.

It's not catholics, it's the people who run it we have a problem with.

The catholic church has always been corrupt. It's not just covering up the peodo priests that the church is guilty of. The church had been behind the slaughter of entire villages who were supposedly heratics. They killed people just to get their hands on property and money. Many church officals through out history have been prone to whoring and keeping mistresses.

Look it up, you'll see I'm right. And it's not just the catholic church, most religions have been guilty of the same sort of thing. But the catholic church is a big offender.

 
2004-07-08 12:44:38 PM  
Chach
Interestingly, sexual abuse by priests occurs at a lower rate than the population in general, and is 5 times less common than abuse by homosexual men. Yet these groups aren't demonized.

I'd like to see the backup, out of curiosity.

Your claim may or may not be accurate, but it's pretty much moot. The issue (as I see it, anyway) is not with the fact that the Catholic Church has pedophiles among its numbers. The issue stems from the internal recognition of a problem and the Church's refusal to deal with said problem for fear of embarassment and shame, a decision that no doubt led to more children being abused.

That typically doesn't happen in society in general.
 
2004-07-08 12:44:39 PM  
"Just my .02 cents."

And worth just that.
 
2004-07-08 12:46:12 PM  
HotWingConspiracy - prove me wrong.
 
2004-07-08 12:46:27 PM  
Poster,
Excellent use of inflammatory flame-chum :D
 
2004-07-08 12:48:44 PM  
"prove me wrong."

Idiotic statement. What shall we do? Shall we go play Civilization and pick the "Zulus" and see who does better? If all your "insight" into Africa is so solid, why aren't you doing something with it instead of posting on Fark?
 
2004-07-08 12:50:22 PM  
Maybe this church should just make an armed raid of the Mormon granaries and libraries and sell the proceeds on the black market. Everybody wins.
 
2004-07-08 12:50:55 PM  
Weaver95

Let me get this straight, we need to destroy Africa in order to save it? Corporations are the answer? Polluting the Environment with a horrible toxin like DDT is the miracle cure? Africa wouldn't be such a bad place if only we could build a bunch of superhighways and strip malls?

You know, I think that your ideas would help exactly one sub-set of the population, corporations. That most certainly is not the right answer.

FBM
 
2004-07-08 12:54:28 PM  
[If all your "insight" into Africa is so solid, why aren't you doing something with it instead of posting on Fark?]

I do what I can. I push information out about the problems the eco-nuts cause where possible. I write my congressman, I vote, I campaign against greenpeace, do what I can to make thier lives difficult.

But i'm just one guy and i'm outnumbered. I'm also facing the benighted masses that refuse to hear the truth and would rather believe the lie.

Still - I'd like to hear why you think my above statements are wrong or don't make any sense at all. Why the dodge?
 
2004-07-08 12:56:10 PM  
Attention Catholics:

There is no double standard, the media isn't biased, the media didn't hush up hundreds of abuse cases and the media are not responsible for keeping contraceptives out of Africa (which now has 10 times as many cases of AIDS as the next continent).

It's a nice religion, but your leadership is fuxxed. Split off and try to fix it if you want everyone to stop talking bad.
 
2004-07-08 12:56:11 PM  
Here's some statistics that you probably wont see on the Six O'Clock news tonight.

This is just a fraction of what the Church has done for the poor, as it shows only some of its social services, and only shows statistics for the United States.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/downloads/at-a-glance.pdf

Notice the 2,598,101,857 given out in DIRECT AID to the poor.


/just clarifying
 
2004-07-08 12:57:51 PM  
500 million in tax-assessed property and the archdiocese has the balls to cry "bankruptcy"? It might not be Friday, but I smell something fishy.

Jeez, the Catholic Church has really been brought low over the years. Their priests used to murder women by the thousands because some village idiot whined about "witchcraft"; they tortured thousands of heretics. But are they burning witches or torturing heretics now? Nah. These days they have to settle for farking boys up the ass.

I'm an ex-Catholic turned apostate, and I am going to laugh my ass off if I see the destruction of the Catholic Church within my lifetime.
 
2004-07-08 12:59:44 PM  
FBM, HWC

In this case I think W95 is on the money. Look at the US and how we rose to power - by exploiting our natural resources and not giving a shiat what the rest of the world thought about how we were running our own country. We shouldn't deny developing nations thier right to do the same.

/now please get back on topic.
 
2004-07-08 01:00:48 PM  
[Let me get this straight, we need to destroy Africa in order to save it?]

Clean water, affordable housing and cheap, clean electrical power would 'destroy' africa? Ok, thanks for identifying yourself as a lunatic.

[Corporations are the answer?]

Why not? I'll bet anyone currently starving to death in africa would LOVE to trade places with your average wage slave in the depths of corporate america. Corporate life at it's worst is STILL far better than what people dying of malaria have to face....

[Polluting the Environment with a horrible toxin like DDT is the miracle cure?]

'Horrible toxin'? what horrible toxin. The so called 'toxin' you're talking about would save millions of lives a year and cause no lasting damage to the enivronment at all. Used in moderation, it'd dissipate within 6 months and save hundreds of thousands from malaria deaths alone.

[Africa wouldn't be such a bad place if only we could build a bunch of superhighways and strip malls?]

Yeah, it would. You'd prefer the starvation, constant civil wars, corruption and suffering they currently have? That's sick and demented.

Away with you. I have no time for lunatics.
 
2004-07-08 01:01:59 PM  
TheGooninator
This is just a fraction of what the Church has done for the poor, as it shows only some of its social services, and only shows statistics for the United States.


Wow. The Church does stuff. Incredible.

Notice the 2,598,101,857 given out in DIRECT AID to the poor.

I couldn't actually find that figure anywhere. Regardless, it seems as though your point is that because the Church does so much good, they should be permitted lapses in judgement like letting priests abuse boys. Am I reading you correctly?
/just clarifying
 
2004-07-08 01:02:52 PM  
Weaver 95

Stop making sense.....This is Fark.
 
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