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2004-07-06 12:15:14 PM  
In all honesty, I can't understand why people are still supporting Bush after all he's done. Blame it on my Evil Quebecois Vision(tm) but it seems all Bush did was screw the US over times and times again in so many different ways :
- spending the billions set aside for social security
- creating a HUGE deficit that will cripple the US for years to come
- totally borking foreign relationships
- engaging in a war of agression for less than clear or justifiable reasons, under the cover of "bringing peace and democracy" and "finding WMDs"
- creating a mostly unjustified constant climate of fear of terrorist attacks
- and the list goes on...

I'd go Kerry-Edwards anyday if I could, simply to try to bring back some sense and intelligence back into the US!!!
Bush is seen as a moron, probably even worse than our former Canadian PM here (and that's something to say!)
 
2004-07-06 12:16:02 PM  
Bush aide say Kerry/Edwards will lead by 15 points by end of month.

Not surprising.

Kerry will hold a huge lead between the Democratic National Convention and the Republican National Convention.

This means nothing.

Bush had a big lead (20%+) over Al Gore between the Republican National Convention and the Democratic National Convention in 2000. And IIRC, Michael Dukakis had a very large lead over George Bush in 1988 between the conventions, yet still got buried in a landslide.

The campaign is a long way from over.
 
2004-07-06 12:16:18 PM  
I know what it is, and while it'd improve the chances of a third party winning (or at least having a viable shot), I still think you'd need violent revolution to get it.

Actually, the libertarians won't ever win because not everyone is a pathetic fat white guy with unaddressed rage issues, an inability to grasp even the most basic tenets of political theory and a tendency to jerk off to The Fountainhead.
 
2004-07-06 12:17:05 PM  
onethreeseven writes:

You, being a dumbass liar, will continue to repeat your lie anyway.

Would that be the same as the big lie that Mr. Bush dodged the draft, went AWOL, or that Michael Moore creates balanced documentaries?

No lie. If man figured that being on a PT boat would make him look "Kennedy-esque" then got taught that war isn't about getting points for your future political, then good for him. That he later went on to become one of the people that thought that protesting the war was saving lives (it didn't), and conclude that war as a rule is unjustified (I have yet to hear him speak of a just war) and repeatedly voted to cut Defense and intelligence spending (well documented elsewhere)...there in lay the problem.

He came back from Vietnam a different person...and it appears not quite right in the head, if you are looking for leader that is capable of the tough decisions.

Now, tell us how Dubya is a big war hero from protecting his hooch from the West Texas Viet Cong.

Not even close. Nor would I argue his dad was a war hero for getting his plane shot out from under him in World War II. Other people may have made that claim, he wouldn't.

No, Mr. Bush doesn't wear his "war record" on his sleeve quite like Mr. Kerry. Mr. Kerry wants us to believe that him running around on a patrol boat about 30 years ago makes him worthy to sit in the Big Chair. I call bullshiat.

--h
 
2004-07-06 12:17:20 PM  
stebain

Try reading a newspaper everyday for a month. You will find something about malpractice insurance at least once.
 
2004-07-06 12:17:23 PM  
a_cure_for_gravity: The Bush campaign/family has already made arrangements to keep their boy in power. Between that and Diebold it's a done deal.

Did you even read the article you posted? It says there are Republicans mistakenly on the list of felons as well as Democrats. It looks like a Florida problem (again)... not a Bush family conspiracy.

Your tinfoil hat must be too tight.
 
2004-07-06 12:18:07 PM  
The Fountainhead is HOT!
 
2004-07-06 12:19:21 PM  
2004-07-06 12:04:39 PM ticknor


"shut up cyansis you cock!!

/had to be said"

Seeing how Cyansis hasn't posted in over an hour, I see this as an attempt to jump on the "hate Cyansis" bandwagon.
 
2004-07-06 12:20:35 PM  
HankTheCat
c'mon, you aren't even trying.

I know that there are problematic cases out there. However, I also know that they are FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. I also know that many of the ridiculous monetary damages have been reduced.
I also know that the trial lawyers didn't commit the injury that caused the case.
 
2004-07-06 12:20:35 PM  
"GIS it, then you'll rethink that last comment"

GIS for instant runoff:

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2004-07-06 12:20:52 PM  
Looks like Kerry's going for the Southern vote. Perhaps they'll even take Floriduh.

/Now all they have to do is steal Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan: "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
//are you?
 
2004-07-06 12:21:08 PM  
Personally, this is the best political news I've heard from America in a long, long time.

This is easily the best choice for Kerry. Edwards polls great and will bring a lot to the table down the stretch.

First, a good trial lawyer could be an invaluable interpreter/translator/debunker of the Bush doublespeak shenanigans.

He is inexperienced at this level, but does have the advantage of seeing the Bush administration in action for 3 and a half years. Kerry should stick to broad themes, take the high road and leave it sunshiny Edwards to scrum with the GOP.

And it'll be interesting to seem them set the hounds on this "handsome, smart, nice young man". Edwards merely has to keep to his positive message and he will suck up votes like a hoover against the Bush ticket, especially from swing voters sick of character assassination on both sides.

It's clear that Nader's sliver is in agreement with this. Every vote counts.
 
2004-07-06 12:21:35 PM  
Wytchocolate
Seeing how Cyansis hasn't posted in over an hour, I see this as an attempt to jump on the "hate Cyansis" bandwagon.

No, it's a running joke.
 
2004-07-06 12:22:12 PM  
I just think it's funny some people earlier said John Edwards would lose the election for the Dems because of the tort reform laws being passed. Um, excuse me? Tort reform? I think you're really overestimating the current events savvy of your average American. Christ, people still think Iraq was responsible for September 11th.
 
2004-07-06 12:22:25 PM  
Omega Ohm wrote:

And no, malpractice suits do not involve 5% of the medical profession. They involve 100% of the medical profession.

***The payouts for that 5% costs the other 95% who end up footing the bill with their jacked up malpratice insurance. In order for those doctors and hospitals to maintain their profit margins they have to increase rates to the consumers.***

(emphasis added)
_______________________

Don't you get it? You just made my point for me. Those 5% of bad doctors are the ones jacking up the medical malpractice insurance for everyone one else. If the Medical community would buck up and start agressively removing bad doctors, medical malpractice lawsuits would drop to next to nothing, and we wouldn't be in the state of affairs that we are in now.

But no one seems to care, and no one wants to hear that. THey'll just keepblaming the lawyers and the victims who are only seeking just compensation.
 
2004-07-06 12:22:30 PM  
In all honesty, I can't understand why people are still supporting Bush after all he's done. Blame it on my Evil Quebecois Vision(tm)

Maybe you should focus on your second rate country and leave us to ours, but your French genes create a bark worse than your bite, so much so that the bark replaces the bite.

Blame that on my evil Floridian Vision of deathly pale Canadians coming down here every winter and ruining the place.
 
2004-07-06 12:22:35 PM  
And no, malpractice suits do not involve 5% of the medical profession. They involve 100% of the medical profession. The payouts for that 5% costs the other 95% who end up footing the bill with their jacked up malpratice insurance.

That reminds me, whatever happened to the "personal responsibility" message that the GOP was pushing so hard a few years ago?
 
2004-07-06 12:23:06 PM  
Actually, the libertarians won't ever win because not everyone is a pathetic fat white guy with unaddressed rage issues, an inability to grasp even the most basic tenets of political theory and a tendency to jerk off to The Fountainhead.

Interesting. You realize that most of our presidents before the 20th century governed according to the Libertarian philosophy, right? Why, I do believe we have here a classic case of projection.
 
2004-07-06 12:23:12 PM  
2004-07-06 11:56:31 AM MacG

The democrat best suited to be president is Joe Lieberman, in my opinion. If it had to be a democrat, that's who I'd pick. A Lieberman-Edwards ticket woulda been better.


You only say that because Lieberman's more neocon than many Republicans.

Of course, Edwards would never have been picked by Kerry or anyone if the ladies didn't consider him to be handsome. What else has he got that other more qualified dems don't?

Charisma? Intelligence? A clear stance on many issues? A large grassroots following? Strengths in exactly the areas that Kerry lacks?
 
2004-07-06 12:23:16 PM  
WokeUpDead --
"/Now all they have to do is steal Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan: "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
//are you?"


Yes.
 
2004-07-06 12:24:09 PM  
2004-07-06 12:16:18 PM Max Reax

"Actually, the libertarians won't ever win because not everyone is a pathetic fat white guy with unaddressed rage issues, an inability to grasp even the most basic tenets of political theory and a tendency to jerk off to The Fountainhead."

Smells like a troll.

Wow, sounds like you really did your research on the libertarian party.

/sarcasm
//tastes like chicken
 
2004-07-06 12:24:11 PM  
"Hey, I'm a shiatty doctor. But you are a shiattier patient because you picked me. No money for you!"
 
2004-07-06 12:25:22 PM  
Omega Ohm

WokeUpDead --
"/Now all they have to do is steal Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan: "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
//are you?"

Yes.


You must work for Halliburton.
 
cot
2004-07-06 12:26:24 PM  
"That reminds me, whatever happened to the "personal responsibility" message that the GOP was pushing so hard a few years ago? "

You want some personal responsibility - let people who have been hurt by doctors go after them personally, without being protected by malpractice insurance.
 
2004-07-06 12:26:40 PM  
Seeing how Cyansis hasn't posted in over an hour, I see this as an attempt to jump on the "hate Cyansis" bandwagon.

Shut up Wytchocolate you cock!

/I kid, you two are actually amusing to watch
 
2004-07-06 12:27:03 PM  
Interesting. You realize that most of our presidents before the 20th century governed according to the Libertarian philosophy, right? Why, I do believe we have here a classic case of projection.

No, I'm a pathetic fat white guy with unaddressed rage issues and an tendency to jerk off to A People's History of the United States.

Wow, sounds like you really did your research on the libertarian party.

I just hate how smart you guys think you are. "Oooh! Look at me! I'm going to vote libertarian because I'm not a sheep! I'm awesome! You're dumb! My finger smells like poop!"
 
2004-07-06 12:27:41 PM  
are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

Far better off. That's because I don't rely on the Government to make me 'better off'.

I leave that to the idiots that I crawl over on my way to yet another success.
 
2004-07-06 12:28:49 PM  
Kerry / Ritter 2004

I think Edwards looks a lot like a younger John Ritter.

/Go Dems
 
2004-07-06 12:28:58 PM  
Sloth_DC
Hmm, yes, that's correct. What you fail to point out is that current Navy regs meant he had to pick a new assignment. He picked one that didn't involve much in the way of combat or contact with the enemy. Then they changed the rules for the PT boats.

So the fact that his best friend from college having died in combat in Vietnam had absolutely nothing to do with it.

He was just looking for something without much in the way of combat.

Yeah.
 
2004-07-06 12:28:58 PM  
WokeUpDead --
"/Now all they have to do is steal Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan: "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
//are you?"

Hell yeah. I get to keep more of my hard earned money.
 
2004-07-06 12:29:45 PM  
Senators don't win the Presidency.
 
2004-07-06 12:30:32 PM  
Omega Ohm
WokeUpDead --
"/Now all they have to do is steal Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan: "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
//are you?"

Yes.

You must work for Halliburton.


Politics aside, I have to admit, I'm much better off than I was 4 years ago too. Four years ago I was broke and unemployed. Now, not so much. Economy is picking up, my company is hiring, and I actually don't worry so much about picking up the more expensive, but extra soft kleenex.

/has allergies
 
2004-07-06 12:30:47 PM  
2004-07-06 12:28:58 PM Wytchocolate

WokeUpDead --
"/Now all they have to do is steal Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan: "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
//are you?"

Hell yeah. I get to keep more of my hard earned money.


And your kids won't!

/sad part: if and when Kerry gets in office, you'll probably blame him for raising taxes to cover the tremendous debt Bush left us in
 
2004-07-06 12:31:20 PM  
Senators don't win the Presidency.
Kennedy
Nixon
 
2004-07-06 12:31:33 PM  
LXAPNorth --
"Don't you get it? You just made my point for me. Those 5% of bad doctors are the ones jacking up the medical malpractice insurance for everyone one else."

Every profession has its bad apples and lawyers have more than their fair share. You can either recognize that and take a measure of social responsibility or continue to be a predator of the system loking for easy money. I'm not allowed to sue laywers who get killers off on technicalities am I?

"If the Medical community would buck up and start agressively removing bad doctors, medical malpractice lawsuits would drop to next to nothing, and we wouldn't be in the state of affairs that we are in now."

No, I would recognize reality for what it is. Again, every profession has its bad apples and you can either recognize that and find a more suitable way to punish those truly responsible or you can continue being an asshole preying on society's loopholes.

"But no one seems to care, and no one wants to hear that. THey'll just keepblaming the lawyers and the victims who are only seeking just compensation."

Just compensation my ass. I don't see too many lawyers willing to work pro bono on multi-million dollar malpractice suits.
 
2004-07-06 12:33:06 PM  
ZipBeep --
"You must work for Halliburton."


No, I'm a contract engineer.

You must be on welfare.
 
2004-07-06 12:33:07 PM  
2004-07-06 12:26:40 PM stuie

"Shut up Wytchocolate you cock!

/I kid, you two are actually amusing to watch"

Laughing with us, right?
 
2004-07-06 12:33:36 PM  
After taking most of the morning reading through this entire thread, I am left with one question:

Is Cyansis autistic or retarded?
 
2004-07-06 12:34:08 PM  
*shakes fist at ZipBeep for stealing my exact comment* ;)

Yes, because having the government constantly tell us "we're all going to die at any moment *aaaaiieeeee!*", making sure that the mere insinuation of sex on the radio can lead to multimillion-dollar fines, and making airport security a government joke, um, i mean enterprise are all making us better off than we were in 2000.
 
2004-07-06 12:34:15 PM  
if and when Kerry gets in office, you'll probably blame him for raising taxes to cover the tremendous debt Bush left us in

Democrats don't let reality get in the way of a good blamefest, why should Republicans?

What went around came around and will go around again.
 
2004-07-06 12:35:25 PM  
control-
Didn't Edwards dissect stray cats while he was in med school?

Hehe, you know that was Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist! He'd go to the pound to "adopt" them, then he'd slice 'em up.
 
2004-07-06 12:35:30 PM  
stebain

Um...Nixon was a former VP when he won the Presidency. And VP when he ran and lost for President.

Kennedy is the only one. And uh...he barely beat Nixon (Nixon of all people!)
 
2004-07-06 12:35:33 PM  
Damn, I feel bad I was in class when this broke.

The problem with the Democratic Party is evident right here on this board: they're not unified. Most Republicans will not break party lines, because there are very few third parties that represent ideals that would draw votes away. Now, the Democrats can't unite behind a single candidate. I've seen support for John^2, but I've also see Wesley Clark, McCain, and a couple of others mentioned. If they don't unite behind candidate, this is all moot - Bush will win, again.

Fark it, I live in Texas, so it doesn't matter how I vote. I'm going Libritarian.

*sigh*
 
2004-07-06 12:35:52 PM  
Laughing with us, right?

Uhh.... yeah, you can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.
 
2004-07-06 12:35:52 PM  
HeartBurnKid wrote:

/sad part: if and when Kerry gets in office, you'll probably blame him for raising taxes to cover the tremendous debt Bush left us in
___________________________________

Isn't that the truth. Ever since Reagan we've had an enormous defecit (although I'm not against what Reagan did by running up the defecit to send the Russians into bankruptcy, he was right on the money), and yet still the Republican party seems to never want to pay it off, giving tax cuts in a war year of all times, when that extra tax money is even moreso needed.

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being our children and grandchildren who have to fit the bill for it.
 
2004-07-06 12:36:11 PM  
are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

Hell yeah.

Internet porn has gotten way better.
B.C. hygro is coming on strong and I couldn't get ditchweed 4 years ago.
Rosanne Barr isn't even on reruns any more. Sweet!
 
2004-07-06 12:36:39 PM  
stebian


I know that there are problematic cases out there. However, I also know that they are FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. I also know that many of the ridiculous monetary damages have been reduced.
I also know that the trial lawyers didn't commit the injury that caused the case.


Insurance is a fairly simple concept. If an insurance company has to pay out a huge settlement, then they have to raise premiumns for everyone else to cover the cost of future judgements. These huge settlements do very little to punish the guilty party as compared to the damage they cause the other insured parties.
 
2004-07-06 12:36:45 PM  
I was being indirect. Actually it was Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist who, while in med school, misled animal shelters and adopted cats so he could kill and dissect them.

Durrrr, I should read more of the thread before I respond...
 
2004-07-06 12:37:09 PM  
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2004-07-06 12:38:14 PM  
And hear I heard that Kerry was in talks with Coach K to be his VP...
 
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