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2004-06-22 03:06:57 PM  
The Bruce Dickinson: after Japan attacked us, we should have gone after Australia instead, just for shiats and giggles eh?

Kangaroo Ralph: Instead, we went after Germany, who didn't attack us.


The link between Germany and Japan was pretty farking clear. And we did, after all, go after Japan essentially at the same time. We fought that war in two arenas, the ground wars of Europe and the sea battles of the Pacific, and we did, in fact, turn two towns into irradiated dust. Which was called for, and pretty much ended the war, before someone calls me a Japanese apologist.

/can't circle jerk. Is female. Could triangle-twaddle, I guess.
 
2004-06-22 03:07:04 PM  
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2004-06-22 03:07:38 PM  
conservatives want to use nukes....

______________________

Please STFU. The collective intelligence of this thread has just crashed thanks to that comment. If conservatives want to use 'em, what's stopping them? Bush is a conservative and he's got the keys to launch.
 
2004-06-22 03:08:32 PM  
Isuldirs ..thanks!
 
2004-06-22 03:08:47 PM  
Old_Gringo

Sandmanx1x Wins. Forget condemnations that the western press ignores. I want to see 1,000,000 muslims marching in true repudiation of these actions, and not simply playing the victims because their religion is "misunderstood".


So basically you are saying you're a moron. I was born and raised Catholic. I'm not going to go out and march "in true repudiation of" child molestation. I didn't molest any kids. Why the fark should I have to march?

Newsflash: There are over one billion muslims in this world. If it was true that they as a group support these actions, death tolls would be measured in the tens of thousands per month.

Get a brain moran.
 
2004-06-22 03:09:51 PM  
When I see DAILY outrage in Mecca and other high-profile Islamic cities then the message will have been accepted.

It's never enough, is it? First you want the Islamic street to condemn terrorism. We show that they are. Then you want Islamic leaders to condemn it. We show that they are. Then you want Big Name Islamic leaders to condemn it. We show it.

Now you want daily outrage in the holy city. If you got that, then you'd demand that every Muslim in the world shout in the streets 24 hours a day condemning the beheading of one guy.

And that wouldn't be enough for you.

Fact is this: sometimes terorism is the only option. I agree with Ice-Nine: if the US invaded Canada claiming that they were going to liberate us from whatever -- and, by the way, take our oil -- then some Canadian would have a nuke strapped to his chest while walking into downtown Seattle. Someone would grab twin machetes and start chopping up kids in American elementary schools. And they would be fully justified in doing so, because we would have no other way to fight.

And you'd be hard pressed to find many Canadians who'd condemn them for it.

There are two sides to every story. It's not right versus wrong. It's my version of right versus your version of right.

The people who don't want to understand the enemy? They're the enemy.
 
2004-06-22 03:10:44 PM  
conservatives Some crazy Neo-con Farkers want to use nukes....
 
2004-06-22 03:10:59 PM  
Bush is a conservative

:-/

9.
 
2004-06-22 03:11:07 PM  
no one will read this so far down...but I keep thinking that folks over there that are possible targets really need to think if kidnapped, "hmmm...I'm likely a goner, now I have the choice: fight and *maybe* escape or *maybe* get killed, or sit around and let these thugs behead me on tape and have something to show the world."

See, the former takes away these MURDERERS' ability to create their latest recruitment video.

/sick of the media being liberal in their description of these as murders (pun intended)
 
2004-06-22 03:11:07 PM  
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
 
2004-06-22 03:11:16 PM  
nomales


So far it looks like most reasons were disputed...I seem to remember a quote that said "we don't want to be the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud...". Unfortunately for you, it was the WMD argument that the UN resolution was based on and formed the basis for the argument for war. That, my friend, is 'da facts'.


And you assume that everyone that uses this internet thingy lives in America?

//I stand by my assertion...buy a lapel pin so I can tell you from the terrorists...
 
Kiz
2004-06-22 03:11:53 PM  
Since there are more than a billion Muslims out there worldwide, and millions of Muslims living in the U.S., if even 1% of them supported this sort of thing, we'd be toast. The U.S. itself would look like the bad parts of Iraq, with makeshift bombs being used to kill cops and car bombs going off near courthouses, and it would be happening here every day.

Luckily it's more like 0.0001%. I thank God that the vast majority of Muslims are reasonable, law-abiding folk, regardless of what the trolls might think.
 
2004-06-22 03:12:35 PM  
Members of the Religion of Peace condemning terrorism?

I call bullshiat.
 
2004-06-22 03:12:43 PM  
We pretty much have two options. We can kill the bad ones and hope enough of the good ones realize what their fate is before they convert to being bad ones. Or we can surrender and die.

It's sad that the Greatest Generation has begotten the worst.

It's sad that weakness, cowardice, and surrender is better to them than a Republican as President.

Their children have much to fix.

Die faster, boomers. You are a stain on our country, and you have slimed and degraded the great party of JFK and FDR.

You are not Liberals. You have turned the word into an insult.
 
2004-06-22 03:12:56 PM  
I agree with the Einstein quote, and yet Einstein would also have agreed with me that what the Bush Admin's ME and terrorism policies have been thus far are, for the most part, BAD.

Einstein believed in solving problems without moral relativism and without reducing ourselves to the level of that which we despise in order to get rid of it.
 
2004-06-22 03:13:31 PM  
Here's another helping for our conservative friends:

September 13, 2001, Bush: "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our Number One Priority and we will not rest until we find him."


March 13, 2002, Bush: "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."



 
2004-06-22 03:13:31 PM  
How the western, predominantly christian world has treated the middle east for the last 100 years has created the situation we are faced with today.

We waltz in there, set up puppet shahs and prop up dictators for our political agenda (fighting the Soviets, creating a trade-friendly administration), and when the shiat hits the fan we try to absolve ourselves of all responsibility.

Those terrorists are a product of our collective behavior towards their people over the last 100 years. And while human beings have free will, you can't ignore that our meddling has made those terrorists what they are today.


m00,

I'm plagiarizing someone named Haim Harari who was commenting on Israel's role in "making those terrorists what they are today." I just substituted "the US" for "Israel", but it isn't any less true:

The mass murder happening right now in Sudan, where the Arab Moslem regime is massacring its black Christian citizens, has nothing to do with the US.
The frequent reports from Algeria about the murders of hundreds of civilian in one village or another by other Algerians have nothing to do with the US.
Saddam Hussein did not invade Kuwait, endangered Saudi Arabia and butchered his own people because of the US.
Egypt did not use poison gas against Yemen in the 60s because of the US.
Assad the Father did not kill tens of thousands of his own citizens in one week in El Hamma in Syria because of the US.

And to add my own bullet point, the US didn't even exist when the Muslim empire extended into Spain. It certainly didn't assist a multilateral, UN-approved, coalition force to kick their butts out.

Don't blow smoke up my ass about how the US is responsible for turning peaceful Muslims into terrorists. We may have left a power vacuum in Afghanistan, but we didn't turn it into a fundamentalist police state. They did that all on their own.

What we DID do is go back and attempt to clean up the mess we gave them the opportunity to make. What we ARE doing is preventing a repeat of Afghanistan in Iraq by making sure Iran doesn't establish a puppet government and by preventing the Imam-of-the-day from making his own Talibanesque theocracy under the noble banner of the Islamic law that they use to enslave each other.

Don't make me post the "I'm Sorry" article. Probably too long for those with short attention spans and a soda-straw view of world history that blames America for all the world's problems.
 
2004-06-22 03:13:42 PM  
cockjockey



read the 'glass parking lot' posts....wanting and using are two different things...mon ami...
 
2004-06-22 03:14:11 PM  
Sure, I'm willing to support actions against terrorists...

As soon as Bush and Cheney step down and don't even consider re-election and Rumsfeld resigns.

Only then.
 
2004-06-22 03:14:17 PM  
There is an enormous difference between innocent people dying in the course of a war, specifically because the enemy has no regard for them and hides among them, and an enemy specifically targeting innocent civilians for torture and execution.

Anyone who doesn't understand that needs to lighten up on the patchouli. It's beginning to funkify their brain.
 
2004-06-22 03:14:21 PM  
If thier intent in theses beheadings, is to polarize the enemy,
After reading the succession of these beheading threads.
I would have to say it's working.
 
2004-06-22 03:14:43 PM  
KhamanV: The link between Germany and Japan was pretty farking clear. And we did, after all, go after Japan essentially at the same time. We fought that war in two arenas, the ground wars of Europe and the sea battles of the Pacific, and we did, in fact, turn two towns into irradiated dust. Which was called for, and pretty much ended the war.

I agree on all counts. See everyone... there can be a logical conversation of facts at Fark.

BTW, I wish we had ended the war on terrorism (on 9/12) in the same manner as our war against Japan and Germany was ended.
 
2004-06-22 03:15:12 PM  
.buy a lapel pin so I can tell you from the terrorists...

I had an idea for a Daily Show bit where, as they cut back and forth between Steven Colbert and Jon Stewart, Colbert's lapel pin keeps getting bigger and bigger until it's Captain America's shield.

Lapel pin patriots: Huak-tooey splatum
 
2004-06-22 03:15:21 PM  
Find some suicidal Americans, train them as pilots, hijack an airliner bound for Mecca full of pilgrims, and then plow into the Kaaba. That's the only way to get these idiots riled up enough to realize that terrorism is everyone's problem. That or we start doing the same to some of these asshats in Gitmo.
 
2004-06-22 03:15:51 PM  
2004-06-22 03:09:51 PM scowling

You are an asshat. Killing innocent women and children INTENTIONALLY is never something that can be justified.

I would certainly hope that the majority of Canadians would not condone terrorism in your "scenario".

Terrorists are a bunch of cowardly scumbags.
 
2004-06-22 03:16:02 PM  
Ohhhhhh impaler has just made me see the error of my ways. I thank you sir...(may I use your brilliant argument in a future post?)

Pretty please with cherries on top?
 
2004-06-22 03:16:46 PM  
GaryPDX
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.,


Or for bad men in positions of high power to think they are doing good, and to convince half a nation of it as well.
 
2004-06-22 03:17:06 PM  
2004-06-22 01:38:56 PM artman

Putin's latest statement is...cute. Don't hold your breath, though, he's had forces there for over 10 years doing their damn best to destroy the insurgents and...well, as I just said, it's been over 10 years now.

/giving orders to my bong to destroy my stash
 
2004-06-22 03:17:16 PM  
Corn_Fed

My post was predominantly sarcastic. I agree 100% that Osama's head should be proudly displayed on the doorstep of the whitehouse (would make a great jack'o'lantern for Halloween). However, the more enemies a state can generate, the more money they can pour into R&D for weapons manufacture. The more money cronies can syphon from the system and into their pockets. War time is tremendously profitable for a few so if you think Bush forgot about Osama and went for Iraq because he's stupid or gave up on previous commitments, then you're playing his game. The tax-paying public isn't gonna go for 86 billion dollars to find a bunch of guys making pipe bombs in the basment. And you can't actually allow the enemy onto your own turf. So what do you do? You create a bigger enemy.

Believable.
 
2004-06-22 03:17:23 PM  

Hmm... this post didn't really sink in. One more time for your mind.

We could have destroyed these terrorists a long time ago but we didn't.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind

With Tuesdays attacks, Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant with ties to al-Qaida, is now blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq.

But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself but never pulled the trigger.

...

Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawis operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.
 
2004-06-22 03:17:55 PM  
I thought Christianity was the religion of "peace"!
 
2004-06-22 03:18:46 PM  
I can not believe the number of farkers who are terrorist sympathizers on this board. Fark you all and may you burn in hell.
 
2004-06-22 03:18:51 PM  
Is U.S. support of Israel related to 9/11?
 
2004-06-22 03:18:56 PM  
Apparently, the "vast majority of peace loving Muslims" are on vacation. Where is the outcry of condemnation from them? As usual, they are conveniently silent.
 
2004-06-22 03:19:22 PM  
To the S. Korean family who lost their son today. My sincere condolences.

To the rest of you, religion sucks...

I used to be religious, but shiat like this solidifies my belief that religion should not be practiced by the public masses. Religion should be practiced in the privacy of your own home (hut, lean-too, cardboard box) and not in the public world, people are too biased to accept differing views anymore.

Religion is the cause of most of the wars in history.

My son and my daughter WILL NOT have these petty biases that both America and the middle-east have, hell the whole world has these biases.

I don't harm anyone, I go to work, I do my job, I raise my kids, and I definately don't preach to anyone that my way is the right way, no do I want to be preached to by anyone. News media included, they are the most biased!

Do you really have to belong to "something" to be happy?

I'm happy, my kids are happy, without religion.

I'm not preaching to anyone to give up religion either. I'm just stating that it seems more trouble than it is worth.

In the end I guess all I can teach my children is to love everyone. Why can't the religious teach this message as well since it seems to be the main thread in all religious texts?

I fear that our religious beliefs will be the end of humanity. How do we know that the man/woman sitting in front of "the button" that starts a nucler holocaust of our planet is or is not a religious zealot?

I guess we just have to trust that resonable people will intervene when it comes to that?

Trust..... ?
 
2004-06-22 03:19:35 PM  
All I can think of saying right now is how awful this must be for his family. Not only did he die in an unimaginally painful and degrading manner, he gets to have his death symbolize whether or not our actions/the actions of our allies are justified.

I won't be voting for Bush. Coming within a sprint of being demolished on 9/11 is always on my mind and reminds me daily of who I blame for the deaths I was surrounded with on that day. His name isn't Hussein; his country wasn't Iraq. Our intervention in Iraq has freed that country from a violent dictatorship, but it has also brought to international light the hatred borne for the United States by Islamist fundamentalist groups. Whether or not we had attacked Iraq, they would have attacked us again. 9/11 made that possible and alerted many Americans to the possibility that we were not impenetrable.

How many more deaths like these will there be? Unfortunately, I get the feeling there will be many more and at some point, they'll stop featuring prominently in the news. We'll start getting comfortable in our individual/group political positions and continue to rip each other apart until the next attack comes. I feel so sad.
 
2004-06-22 03:19:36 PM  
to all you dumbasses saying "glass parking lot" - it may seem funny now or maybe you really feel that way. but when the nukes are launched, this will no longer be a cool world to live in. that einstein quote is talking about you guys too.
 
2004-06-22 03:20:39 PM  
[image from bushsupporter.org too old to be available]

Alrigth let's just take a second.

Would a person, a human man, really go to war with a nation, for no good reason?

With absolutley no evidence.

With ALL the world, media, EVERYONE watching.

I mean, he just couldn't get away with it. just consider it. Would he really try and steal a country's oil in braod daylight?

I don't think that someone could be that foolish. I mean I understand why someone could not like him, but is he a murderer and a butcher and a thief? I really don't think he is.

There are reasons, we just haven't de-classified them yet.

Have faith.
 
m00
2004-06-22 03:20:59 PM  
2004-06-22 03:05:38 PM Wytchocolate


***m00***

"Oh I get it. The proper response is to invade an unrelated nation, and kill lots of innocent Iraqis... forgetting Osama completely."

Where's your proof there was no link? Michael Moore? The liberal media has forgotten Osama, not our government.

To those of you who still believe there is a link between Iraq and 9/11, update yourselves

Yeah, it's called a bi-partisan 9/11 commission chaired by a republican, and picked by Bush.

Also, Bush said it himself:

This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda.
- President Bush, June 17, 2004

Please update yourself on the lies. The president JUST SAID the administration never said there was an Iraq 9/11-link. Now go believe it and defend this position, instead of the tired old position that there was one.
 
2004-06-22 03:21:00 PM  
Ponte...

Why would the NeoCons want to read that anti-Bush propaganda?

People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the presidents policy of pre-emption against terrorists.
 
2004-06-22 03:21:24 PM  
You are an asshat. Killing innocent women and children INTENTIONALLY is never something that can be justified.

And yet the US does it all the time, and justifies it, by bombing residential areas that they didn't need to bomb, or shooting a van full of kids because the driver misunderstood the order to stop.

Of course the intentional killing of the innocent can be justified. We do it every single day. Both the left and the right justify it in different ways.

You are a naive fool if you think it can't be justified.

And in the scenario I described, I'd be the first one into Seattle -- and I am by no means any kind of nationalistic fanatic.

Boom.
 
2004-06-22 03:21:24 PM  
Kangaroo_Ralph Germany declared war on the United States four days after Pearl Harbor. That sort of made them a "related" country.
 
2004-06-22 03:21:28 PM  
The mods don't seem to mind all the double-posting on this thread for some reason, so I don't mind re-posting this. And I'd like to point out that this post is on topic, while the double (quintuple?) posts by Corn Fed and The Emily Dickinson are not.

1) Every time one of ours gets taken hostage and the terrorists start making demands, we should send in an additional 1,000 troops to that region. We should make this policy known.

2) Our media SHOULD NOT publicize the ransom or subsequent videos... that's what the terrorists want. We're helping spread their propaganda. It's not an accident that the South Korean was forced to read it in English instead of his own language.

3) Al-Jazeera should have been taken care of a year ago.
 
2004-06-22 03:21:58 PM  
2004-06-22 03:11:16 PM
the_sky_is_falling


nomales


So far it looks like most reasons were disputed...I seem to remember a quote that said "we don't want to be the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud...". Unfortunately for you, it was the WMD argument that the UN resolution was based on and formed the basis for the argument for war. That, my friend, is 'da facts'.


And you assume that everyone that uses this internet thingy lives in America?

//I stand by my assertion...buy a lapel pin so I can tell you from the terrorists...



Look, I tried to tell you, I have a 6 foot flag in front of my house, I dont need a pin. And as for my assuming that only Americans use the internet, your right. We do however need to take that away from outsiders. After all, we started it, and dont want to interfere with other countries. As for da facts, dont matter why we went in there, it needed to be done. So, if the other countries are a bunch of pussies, we can do it.
 
2004-06-22 03:22:11 PM  
But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself but never pulled the trigger.

Wow. Almost sounds like Clinton and Osama on the other end of a Predator's camera. But we can't kill terrorists without UN approval. That would be unilateral.

Hypocrites.
 
2004-06-22 03:22:22 PM  
GaryPDX

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.


Not that I would say the Bush Administration has many "good men" but...

Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind

Fmr. FBI Translator: White House Had Intel On Possible Airplane Attack Pre-9/11
 
2004-06-22 03:23:52 PM  
when you are fighting a war, you have to decide what targets you want to defend. Just what is it about "the West" that we want to hold up to the world as being worth defending with our blood and treasure? Are we defending "our way of life," in the immortal words of former Secretary of State James Baker? Like the right to engage in soccer hooliganism? Reality TV? Young girls wearing dog collars and lots of skin piercings and tattoos? Roe vs. Wade: partial birth abortion? Supermarket shelves filled with processed foods full of salt and high fructose corn syrup? Two million people incarcerated in U.S. jails and prisons at any give time, many for non-violent offenses? If that is what we are defending, then let's surrender.
 
2004-06-22 03:24:34 PM  
2004-06-22 03:18:51 PM BenJaxBchFL

Is U.S. support of Israel related to 9/11?


What are you some kind of terrorist supporter? How dare you bring to light the real reason 9/11 happened!

That knock on your door will be the Secret Service.
 
2004-06-22 03:25:27 PM  
He he. I love how the pendulum, as stated previously, has swung. Two years ago, the "doves" were out numbered 10 to 1 and being told they were morans. Guess who was right? Yep, the doves. Farking dumbass chicken hawks farked it all up for everyone. They threw away 8+ years of prosperity and peace for this clusterfark. Way to go, morans. And guess what? IT'S NOT ENDING ANY TIME SOON. Thanks, and fark you very much, goddam chicken hawks. Go fark yourselves.
 
2004-06-22 03:25:48 PM  
dr_worm_md


In the words of two other Presidents:
"I am not a crook"

"I didn't have sexual relations with that woman"

Why, or Why would they lie?


//wake up nap time is over...time for you milk and cookies and a fairytale....Sheep waer lapel pins too...
 
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