Fact is, we'll all be dead in 100 years, leaving the next generation (and so on) to fight over dwindling resources and pretend deities.



Primates.

m00

Yeah, I heard about the impeachment effort too.

A whopping 500 strong. Mostly Harvard professors and other extreme left ilk.

Keep digging. If you find some petrified shiat, you can call it gold if you want.

Just don't try and sell a ring made out of it to me.

walkingtall,

The second paragraph in your last post has you switching sides, or are you just trying to state that there actually has been some lessons learned by christian religious leaders?

Not a slam, just a question.

Damn HTML is giving me hairball today... The post up there ^ was supposed to have this...



Hopefully you get the picture now (Figuratively and Literaly)

ADripper

Time will tell.

If by doing nothing you mean working within the international community to isolate and prosecute the criminals responsible for those terrorist actions performed in NY, Yemmen and North Africa, then the answer is yes.
If by nothing you mean cooly attempting to infiltrate a global and nebulous organization, the the answer is yes.
If by doing nothing you mean applying the US's formidable economic and diplomatic might to those countries responsible for turning a blind eye to the problem growing in their nations, then the answer is yes.

If you mean flipping the bird to our historical allies and running half-cocked into a war we had no plan for, giving the jihadists the Holy War they wanted, then you've got me there.

Cyansis pwn3d again

2004-06-22 05:29:02 PM walkingtall

Other religions are not tolerated or given freedom to practice.

Many Muslim countries have small jewish and christian populations which live just fine there, as they have for centuries.

Cyansis: You are again OWNED. You were the one who said the Bible doesn't say to kill people.

It has been within his power this entire time to build bridges, reach out, consult, compromise. No. Republican majority, no matter how miniscule, means permission to ignore half the country and run things however they like.

I felt the same way in 93-94 when it was the other was around. Perhaps if the Democrats in Congress now could show a little backbone like the Republicans did back then, things would be a bit more balanced. But, if they continue acting like doormats, they will continue to get stepped on.

"I went to Iraq to try to make some of that no-bid long dough and all I got was this lousy tombstone."


Yikes. No amount of dough is worth that. Unless maybe you can trick your country into doing it for you.

/eh wink wink?, neo cons

Thanks HoChiWaWa it was tough to get off heroine.

I actually had my Dad install a padlock on the outside of my bedroom door (my room had no windows) and I told my mom to just put food/drink in once a day. It took me two weeks to shake the urge.

Again, off topic. But thanks anyway. ;-)

Michael Moore is FAT. Fat, Fat, Fat. And UGLY. Ugly, Ugly, Ugly.

Will someone please give him a cheeseburger and a Coke and shut him the fark up?

Or perhaps I can tee one up on his Fat, Fat nose.

Now, watch THIS drive. Asshat.

PS Kill everybody in Al Queda. All of them. EVERY-LAST-ONE. This crap has got to stop.

2004-06-22 05:32:41 PM dr_worm_md

Yeah, I heard about the impeachment effort too.

A whopping 500 strong. Mostly Harvard professors and other extreme left ilk.

Right.. because professors at HARVARD have NO idea what they are talking about... keep telling yourself that.

Part of the reason the left are so rabidly anti-Bush is because he has refused to share power with anyone not of his identical idealogical ilk. Even his own party recognize they have to stick with issues they agree with on Bush, since other topics would just make him mad at them.

The Bush administration is a very real example of what can fail in a Repbulic. You either get all the power, or none. To keep a Republic functional, the leader must seek out areas of concession with the opposition. Similarly, supporters of the winner need to seek out common ground with the supporters of the loser. They get the advantage of a position of strength, but it must not be weilded to a degree that the opposition become disenfranchised. Bush campaigned acknowledging this fact, then completely disregarded it once in office.

2004-06-22 05:28:10 PM HoChiWaWa


""(2004-06-22 05:22:42 PM Wytchocolate

[2004-06-22 05:20:09 PM m00

"You stated some facts? Which?"]

Please elaborate, I'll be happy to do so when I know which ones.)

uhh... did you misunderstand what he asked?""


I believe the question was directed to m00. I'm sure he/she appreciates you being their mouthpiece. **m00** To rephrase the question, you said I stated some facts. If I stated them, then you should know which. As I stated earlier, please elaborate on what you would like me to elaborate

Just out of curiosity m00,

On what legal grounds would impeachment be brought, let alone "justified". Is that the plan for when the Dems loose the election or is it just the way you "feel" since they did it to your guy?

Whtchocolate: Please show me the post that indicates I'm a liberal.

2004-06-22 05:40:52 PM Wytchocolate

Okay, state a few facts. I mean... just a few random facts about Bush/Iraq/9-11 whatever.

Wytchocolate, you must have missed his question mark... he asked if you stated facts... he didn't say you stated facts

the man who begged for his life yesterday is dead today, fortunately as i can see, nothing beyond our computer screen and personal mantras matters, so that is good. we are all insulated within our pixels from any moments of feeling or compassion.

we can all glide along arguing with our adversaries, our sweet precious adversaries

m00

Sigh.

No you idiot. They are intelligent, but they are politically left. They have an agenda to push.

And the more important figure was......

THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ONLY 500 EFFING PEOPLE BACKING IT!

So that makes it worthless.

While in contrast, the Clinton Impeachment involved, Congress, the Senate, and most of America.

Your impeachment movement, has 500 left extremists, and nothing inany major political arena.

Keep digging. Hey that next brown hard lump looks could be gold.

2004-06-22 05:41:08 PM st8kdryver

Well, I am far from a legal scholar so I personally do not know the legal grounds of the impeachment proceedings.

But I assume it's the "yellowcake uranium" in the State of the Union address, to name one.... among many, many other similar times Bush specifically used old intelligence even when new intelligence was available and the CIA was telling him to use the new intelligence.

Bush forms an opinion and cherry-picks evidence to back his opinion. The problem is when he knowingly uses outdated or incorrect evidence simply because it supports his position.

Homer'sEnemy

I knew all these quotes were coming. I hear all of these so much I can recite them verbatim. I had to face the reality of the dual nature of a God who loves us with a God who tells David to kill every man woman and child in a province he conquers. Very contradictory things. Looking at the Old Testament you have to be able to look at the big picture as well as look at individual passages. God's motives for doing all of these things were 100% pure. He HAD to do these things in order for Jesus to come into the world so that His love can be shown to everyone. He had to be harsh and the rules were harsh because they had to be in the times they were given. Islam on the other hand, the big picture is that either the world will be entirely Muslim or true Muslims who love Allah will continue to convert or kill every other belief. They really do not care which. Jesus came to set a new covenant with His people. He even said He came to complete the Old Testament not replace it. He was the culmination of all the terrible things that happened in order to get there. Set in motion by people I might add not God. God is the only being where the end DOES justify the means because He is perfect. That is the difference betweeen Christianity and Islam. Jesus was perfect and if you lived exactly as He did what would you get? Mohammed was a VERY evil man and if you live as he lived what do you get?

happygirl,

I thought I had read that somewhere but a GIS search produced nothing.

Good statement: "we can all glide along arguing with our adversaries, our sweet precious adversaries"

Are you paraphrasing or was that original?

2004-06-22 05:45:15 PM dr_worm_md

Just because it *only* has 500 signatures doesn't mean only 500 people in the nation back it. I, for one, would like to see Bush impeached. Make it 501.

Anyone else on Fark think Bush should be impeached?

Nope.

uberlame --

"A quick analogy...

Let's say I'm a scout troop leader and I send the boys into some cave to find arrowheads without checking the cave out thoroughly beforehand. All of the sudden the children are screaming because they are getting stung by scorpions. When confronted by the kid's parents I then proceed to rant about how nasty scorpions are and vow to eventually wipe out all the nests in the area..."

Scorpions don't live in caves. But somehow that makes the analogy even better.

05:46:02 PM m00 But I assume it's the "yellowcake uranium" in the State of the Union address, to name one.... among many, many other similar times Bush specifically used old intelligence even when new intelligence was available and the CIA was telling him to use the new intelligence.

I'm pretty sure that having bad intelligence isn't grounds.. Try again...

502

I would sign that petition to impeach Bush.

axiomatic that was my own...

it's not good to go on fark while you're actually sad about something. i feel sorry for that man and his family

Everytime I read about another beheading it makes me sick to my stomach. How can somebody do this to another human being? Awful awful awful... I'm going to go watch cartoons with my daughter till the ugly nasty world goes away again....

2004-06-22 05:50:00 PM skikvt

You misread me.

It's not HAVING bad intelligence, it's knowingly using that bad intelligence to sell a war to Congress and the American people.

It's been well documented that, within the administration, the yellowcake connection was false... because the CIA made it very clear it was false.

Yet Bush went ahead and used it in the state of the union address anyway to make his case for war.

Axiomatic

Unfortunately religious leaders have learned nothing in 2000 years. There are just as many evil hypocritical Christian leaders now as there were when Christ looked the Pharisees in the eye and told them they were evil, nasty hypocrites and would be judged. Power corrupts and Christianity is no different. Even pastors of some small churches I see get drunk with power in their own small world. I hate the abuse of power by anyone.

skikvt, while i'd agree it seems like not enough, i'd trust a harvard prfessor's knowledge of the law more than my own.

and its more than bad intellegece its purpousfly deciving the country with information known to be wrong

These damn terrorist will do anything to get...a..head...oops!

I must be getting desensitized to this.

hey m00,

You are definitley FAR from a legal scholar. You need EVIDENCE of high crimes and misdemeanors for impeachment procedings. EVIDENCE. The "yellow cake" part of the SotU speech is always mis-quoted by the left. In the speech he made mention of foreign intel sources that indicated that there was an attempt to get yellow cake from Niger.

Additionally, "old intelligence" is used to show trends and probable future intentions of the body about which the intelligence is gathered.

So using your "logic", using historical data to press a point is criminal?

Nice try though.

happygirl, i don't think its much of a stretch to say all of us feel bad for this man and his family, but discussions/arguments are one of my favorite distractions, i'm not one to wallow in sadness

2004-06-22 05:32:05 PM Pxtl

"Cyansis has made numerous inflamatory statements that cross the line from far-right to outright trolling. Whether or not he is strongly right-wing, he frequently makes statements that are outright flamebait

For example, he once stated that all inmates of Abu Ghraib prison were terrorists. This is not a man you wish to associate with during political discourse."

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with him 100% of the time, but he does make SOME good points. I just enjoy reading the liberal response when he gets under their skin. He does a very good job of it. He definitely keeps the flames burning bright. It's pretty funny. It's even more fun reading his responses to their responses. The news flash and Cyansis drug ads were very funny as well. I have to give him his props though,he stands out on a very long limb and handles it very well.

ICENINE, you are a moron for suggesting that America is to blame for this. And you are a coward who i'm pretty sure sides with the cowards who committed this murder. moron

I'm about to indirectly help the Neocons on the surface...but dig deeper.

Earlier in this thread, there was an arguement about whether or not Muslims condemed the beheading of the contractor in Saudi Arabia. Let's step back one terrorist attack to the larger attack on oil contractors that killed 2 Americans and 4 other Westerners.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5218227/

Saudi prince: Zionism to blame for terror attack
Official says Israel, supporters share bin Laden's objective
By Lisa Myers
Senior investigative correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET June 15, 2004Last month, an attack on contractors at the Saudi oil facility in Yanbu killed six Westerners, two of them Americans. Senior Saudi officials told the world al-Qaida terrorists were to blame and al-Qaida claimed responsibility.

But tape obtained by NBC News reveals that, inside Saudi Arabia, on Saudi television, Crown Prince Abdullah told a strikingly different story about who was to blame.

NBC News translated Abdullah's remarks from Arabic: Zionism is behind it. It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. I dont say, I mean... It is not 100 percent, but 95 percent that the Zionist hands are behind what happened.

Other senior Saudi officials reaffirmed the claim that supporters of Israel Zionists were behind the terror attacks.

Prince Nayef, the Saudi Interior Minister said, Al-Qaida is backed by Israel and Zionism.

Some call this dangerous Saudi doubletalk. The crown princes statements are inflammatory and irresponsible, said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine. On the one hand they say reassuring words to American leaders, but on the other hand they spout inflammatory anti-Semitic rhetoric for their domestic population.

Monday, a report by the prestigious Council on Foreign Relations said such statements undermine efforts to change the mindset that foments extremism and undercut otherwise significant improvement in Saudi efforts against al-Qaida.

For example, in the last year, the Saudis have waged sometimes daily gun battles against al-Qaida cells, passed new anti-terror financing laws and cracked down on charities helping fund bin Laden.

But the report complains that members of the Saudi elite whove allegedly financed al Qaida remain free and unpunished, including Yassin al Qadi specially designated as a global terrorist by the U.S. Treasury Department.

According to William Wechsler, former National Security Council member and co-author of the Council on Foreign Relations report, They have yet to arrest or incarcerate anybody publicly. And if you dont take those actions then you cant have deterrence.



$#^%!@&((

That's really farking helpful. This leans towards the "glass parking lot" side of the equation...

...but look deeper. Iraq (and Saddam) were nothing like this. Saddam was a secular dictator-that is, the WRONG farkING TARGET. The most extreme Muslims were in (in approimate order): Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Pakistan. Iraq was waaayyy on the secular side of the equation. Saudi Arabia is a breeding ground for this shiat, and until we beat them over the head about it (LITERALLY), it's not going to stop. Likewise, until US troops go into Pakistan, we will never catch Bin Laden or end Al Queda's terrorist actitivies. The problem with Iraq is all about sending our limited resources against extremely low priority targets.

Your impeachment movement, has 500 left extremists, and nothing inany major political arena.

Keep digging. Hey that next brown hard lump looks could be gold.


I'll leave your fecal fetish for others to analyze.

The only reason that impeachment of Bush is laughable is because the Republicans control the House and Senate. You will never get them to vote for impeachment. Bush could walk through Congress flinging his own poo and hooting and they would not consider it. NOTHING would qualify as an impeachable offense for Bush.

that's it.


whether the 500 lefties are crazy or not is moot really. Who seriously petitions for the impossible ?

st8kdryver

I like you.

m00

So that's 504? By the end of the day you could have 511? 515?

Keep trying. I think you'll find that nugget.

But it won't be gold.

P.S. That means it's poo.

So when do we invade Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

There is at least EVIDENCE that they not only supported AQ before 9/11, but continued to do so long after 9/11.

I'm far more inclined to believe a link to AQ by Saudi Arabia than Iraq!

Oh, what? Bush is buddies with the Saudi's...well never mind.

walkingtall,

We are not so different you and I.

You see the same problems I do. You just still care enough to beleive, which is good. I am unfortunatly jaded beyond belief now, but that is my issue.

I applaud your faith even though history can paint a terrible picture of religion.

dbaggins

The only reason that impeachment of Bush is laughable is because the Republicans control the House and Senate. You will never get them to vote for impeachment. Bush could walk through Congress flinging his own poo and hooting and they would not consider it. NOTHING would qualify as an impeachable offense for Bush.

Don't you love this country?

bigots who post lists of loosely-translated, fraudulent or out of context hate from the Quran are in the same category as bigots who post fraudulent, loosely translated or out of context hate from the New Testament are the same as bigots who post fraudulent, out of context or poorly translated hate from the Talmud.

They all cut=n=paste from dubious websites lest we see that they have taken their info from Stormfront or NAAWP or other such haters.

They all know how to cut=n=paste but not how to defend their postings intellectually.

They are all dismissable as easily-led haters with zero objectivity.

What ever happend to redfish anyways, speaking of cut-n-pastes from zundelsite and seigheil.com?