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(The Guardian)   America to suppress Farc as part of "War on Terrorism".   ( divider line
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2002-01-17 10:44:49 AM  
Farc has already infiltrated the United States. we know them as Snoop Dog & Willie Nelson. but their real names are Jesus Menedez & Jorge Gimenez.
2002-01-17 10:46:02 AM  
Death to Farkistan!
2002-01-17 10:46:56 AM  
Lets hope the CIA are not their usual bumbling self and dont start bombing Fark.

Personally I think the Guerillas have a point

*cue-You terorist hugging commie etc etc.........
2002-01-17 10:47:27 AM  
No, no! Death to Farcistan; Viva La Farkistan!
They'll never put us down!
2002-01-17 10:48:09 AM  
Wow. This has got to be some of the most flavor-free and unbiased reporting I've ever seen. I wasn't expecting this sort of article from you, Rei.
2002-01-17 10:49:20 AM  
Uk press report Scrotar.
2002-01-17 10:51:46 AM  

Was that sarcasm or no? I can't tell if I can't see your face and hear your tone of voice ;)

In my opinion, it was, actually. This is pretty moderate for British papers - even stating things like how he thinks the reports about Guantanamo may be exaggerated.

I just posted it because they mentioned Farc ;)
2002-01-17 10:52:46 AM  
Incidentally, the whole Columbian situation is messed up, but my sympathies go with FARC who've been more receptive to kidnapping than to outright slaughter that's been a trademark of the paramilitaries.
2002-01-17 10:57:59 AM  

I have to consider what will and won't make it into fark. For example, this is the sort of article I'd really like to post - a person who's been on-the-scenes and seen what things are like over there:

America Can't

A section of the article:

They are the kind of people, we are assured, after all, by
General Richard B. Myers, US Chief of the Joint Staffs, who are so 'dangerous that they would gnaw through the hydraulic cables' on their transport plane to bring it down.

It is a description appropriate to an animal, not to a man.

A few weeks ago, I was in Afghanistan looking for some of these almost mythically self-destructive creatures. The first man we tried to see was an elderly Taliban official our fixer had come across at an anti-Taliban base in the suburbs of the former Taliban stronghold of Kandahar.

When our fixer saw him, he was being beaten slowly and methodically to death by a local warlord. We reached the camp too late. When we arrived, the man who had been doing the beating told us that he no longer had any Taliban prisoners. They had buried some al-Qaeda fighters that day whom they had killed in the liberation of the city, he told us. We asked again about the prisoner. He clarified the situation: 'There are no prisoners any longer.'

It was not an isolated incident. Ten days later, I found myself with a group of Western journalists in the office of the governor of the Third Directorate prison in Kabul.

Abdul Qayum, a lean and hard-faced man in his fifties, had been promising for a week to let reporters see his prisoners and check on their conditions. He told us he was both jailer and the man who leads the interrogations. He told us, too, that he regarded the Taliban and al-Qaeda as indistinguishable.

So how, we asked, does he persuade them to confess? 'We ask them in a friendly and Islamic way to confess their crimes,' he explained to us. 'If they do not confess, then we use force.'

I just know that nationalistic wouldn't post an article like that, so I don't even try.
2002-01-17 10:58:53 AM  

There was an article on here, perhaps a month back, about how FARC sent out christmas cards to all of their soldiers ;)
2002-01-17 11:08:29 AM  
Guerrilla movement? Eww that has to be messy and probably really smelly too.
2002-01-17 11:09:18 AM  
Rei: Thanks for the link. I just emailed that to everyone I know.
2002-01-17 11:12:16 AM  

I hear what you are saying .. I have sort of noticed which articles get accepted from me and what doesn't.
2002-01-17 11:13:08 AM  
Mayday! Mayday! This thread is listing badly to port! We need an Fb- restore balance!
2002-01-17 11:15:12 AM  
I know 14 posts and not a Merkin in sight ;)
2002-01-17 11:15:50 AM  
I knew it, Fark is nothing more than a leftist communist front store disguised as a pandemonium of opinions and biases. All this criticism about right winged extremists is a cover up. I did a NSLookup and even saw that Fark's server is based in Cuba with an ISP located in San Sebastian. Commies!!!!
2002-01-17 11:16:39 AM  
Rei, that wasn't FARC, that was the paramilitaries. FARC is a rebel movement, far left-wing. There's a paramilitary movement in Columbia as well with ties to the government (how deep is debatable). They're the ones with a penchant for wiping out villages that might contain a suspected FARC member. And they're the ones who sent the Christmas cards. (I've been following this story for a few years now.)
2002-01-17 11:16:52 AM  
I, um, "took care" of Fb- and all the others for y'all.
Now we can live in peace and stop posting comments entirely.
2002-01-17 11:17:42 AM  
The Guardian is such drivel..."maintaining a naval blockade off Pakistan's coast." It would be a pretty funny statement if only the readers of this rag did not take it seriously.
2002-01-17 11:18:51 AM  
Sorry Blackbloc, saw your lot in Genoa "Taking care" of the police.

Not very impressive I am afraid, the Tuti Bianci and the Reds were much better, although not as photogenic.

Still unity against teh common enemy and all.
2002-01-17 11:19:32 AM  
WTF are you talking about Tick?

Oh I forgot its you..
2002-01-17 11:21:25 AM  
Hey ya doin? I see Rei is here too, but she does not talk to me anymore. Will you be her mouthpiece -- you just sooooooooooooooo good at it!
2002-01-17 11:22:16 AM  
Fair enough Tick

You are a idiot who gets a kick out of talking bollocks and harrasing women.

That good enough for you?

TWAT, as we often say.
2002-01-17 11:25:14 AM  
Harmonia: much like Farkers, one group of blackbloc's actions do not necessarily reflect all blackblocs' actions. Many are actually nonviolent (like myself) --just damage the right properties and such.
2002-01-17 11:26:08 AM  
Outstanding, Harmonia!

Unfortunately, however, I can only play off-and-on. Alotta stuf goin' on here at work todya and some of the other threads have alot goin' on too.

What is "TWAT." i know what it is here in Merika, but what does it mean in Britain?
2002-01-17 11:26:35 AM  
I see TheTick mumbles more trash than I try to.
2002-01-17 11:32:49 AM  
Harmonia: "talking bollocks"?

I thought bollocks meant balls... Does it mean bulls.hit? Not trying to be a smartass (this time) educate me on your slang...
2002-01-17 11:33:58 AM  
What is a TWAT:

Well its like a Merkin except real.
2002-01-17 11:35:30 AM  

I checked it out, you're right concerning FARC and the christmas cards :) I just did a google search for FARC and "christmas cards". In december of '99, the Columbian army *gave FARC members* christmas cards ;) Airdropped over 100,000 of them. Then, in '00, the United Self Defense Forces of Columbia sent out an email christmas card to its members.
2002-01-17 11:35:49 AM  
Ahhhh, the ever loving loving arms of corporate hegemony reaches out to all the children of the world.
2002-01-17 11:39:48 AM  
"Well its like a Merkin except real."

Once again, your powers to explain a concept are failing. I do not get it -- please try again.
2002-01-17 11:42:21 AM  
Look it up Tick.
2002-01-17 11:42:45 AM  
Incidentally, I KNEW that The War Against Terrorism (TWAT) would be extended to Columbia. Politics of either armed group aside, I think the one that specializes in murder and wiping out villages would be the group worth eliminating. FARC's death toll by comparison is much smaller, (they're more into kidnapping and drug-running instead.)
THIS angers me.
2002-01-17 11:44:36 AM  
It angered Ernesto Guevara and look where it got him.
2002-01-17 11:47:30 AM  
Parallels: The administration was willing to tolerate the existence of the Taliban (despite such abuses that we've become very familiar with in the press lately) because they wiped out poppy crops, reducing opium & heroin manufacturing and thus imports into America.
Military funding is going to support Plan Columbia (and most likely under the table to support the right-wing paramilitary death squads) because the FARC make their money off the growth of coca, which is manufactured into cocaine.

We were all waiting for these new-found powers and public support to manifest themselves into a drug-war policy, I think, and the other shoe may be dropping soon.
2002-01-17 11:47:43 AM  
Harmonia: much like Farkers, one group of blackbloc's actions do not necessarily reflect all blackblocs' actions. Many are actually nonviolent (like myself) --just damage the right properties and such.

I love how anarchists keep on trying after a hundred years of not overthrowing one government and getting killed by nazi's ,communists, capitalists, socialists, kingdoms and republics. I guess everyone can agree that anarchists are the retarded step children of all political movements.

The blackboc are nothing more then spoiled rich white kids who run around attacking middle class people's dreams of owning stores and other enterprises then when asked what are they doing this for their answers amount to " I don't know the WTO sucks lets destroy shiat ".
2002-01-17 11:53:46 AM  

Only problem is... the punishment in the US for drug trafficing is generally far, far worse than the sentence for murder. I think George will go after the lefty drug-runners over the government-backed death squads. But maybe he'll be smart and either stay out altogether, or just blow the shiat out of both sides. They both need a stern talking to...

2002-01-17 11:56:19 AM  
My Major gripe with the BB is not smashing the odd shop window, its that their tactics are counter-productive ane the way they are organised allows police infiltration.

For example, we never allowed anyone masked near us in genoa, how do you know who they are? security relies on all knowing and trusting each other which is impossible if people are masked.

Secondly some of them would delibrately bring the police down on our heads, launching bricks at teh police form behind us then running off when the cops baton charged.

But in saying all that, I dont think they were the main problem, that was blood thirsty Policemen out to smash skulls. I just dont think that they had thought out their tactics.
2002-01-17 12:11:51 PM  
Media: Could it be the ones who keep getting killed by all governments in the pursuit of true liberty are in the right? And FYI, asshole, I come from a working class family. blackblocs come from all economic classes, but by and large the folks I know come from pretty destitute origins. Middle class peoples' dreams of owning stores are destroyed by Wal Mart, not anarchists. Get a clue.
2002-01-17 12:14:49 PM  
Harmonia: agreed--most blackblocs are pretty disorganized. I guess that's anarchy for ya.
2002-01-17 12:16:15 PM  
True BB

Mind you if you ever see the Germans Autonamen you have to think again.

The first time I saw them, loads of guys in Black marching in step, I thought they were Nazis or something.

2002-01-17 12:16:19 PM  
Man, the Guardian is such leftish brain rot it's pathetic. It was annouced late last year that half of the billion extra in the plan colombia budget was being redirected from military aid to the USAID program for development. So his supposed U.S. inclination to go intervene is pretty thin in light of recent events.

Or course, here come Harmonia and Rei, Fark's local experts on social justice. Boy, you guys really take the bait. I don't think there's really much different betweek FARC and the right wing death squads. Do you honestly think that the Sendero Luminoso and the FARC have any discernable politics? It's really just a will to power. If that were true, the FARC commander would have come to the recent peace talks. Couch it in whatever you want, it's still murder.
2002-01-17 12:17:05 PM  
Harmonia, I get it now. Thanks.

"...retarded step children of all political movements." LOL...very funny.
2002-01-17 12:22:20 PM  
I know nothing of Blackblocs - is it an anarchist organization?

I tried to be an anarchist, but there were too many rules. I'm not sure what I am now. I suppose I'm just The Goatman.
2002-01-17 12:25:36 PM  
Goatman: blackbloc is more a shared political philosophy. We are anarchists, but we organize only when absolutely necessary so as to avoid letting the spooks get ahold of any of us. And there are no rules, all are welcome. You only need be in pursuit of real freedom.
2002-01-17 12:25:57 PM  
And Klingon love god wins the Merkin prize for this thread!

Perhaps you should apply the same logic to your own beloved GWB!
2002-01-17 12:26:58 PM  
Who is Merkin?
2002-01-17 12:28:48 PM  
It comes form demos Goatman.

The Whites are totally committed to non-violence, to the extent they will sit still and be beaten up.

The Greens will do passive resistance but thats about it.

The Reds you can devide into two, Reds and militant reds, both will defend themselves colectively but the Militant reds will use bricks, bottles etc.

Finally we have the Black Bloc as discussed, masked and usually armed with metal poles, sticks etc.
2002-01-17 12:28:55 PM  
Goatman264 You are the anti-anti, the curmudgeon of misanthropy and a slayer of children. I salute you
2002-01-17 12:30:06 PM  
Klingon, do not ask to many -- or to many direct questions -- questions of Harmonia. It will give him (her?) a headache.
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