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(Daily News (NY)) Weird Would-be 9/11 hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui had the password to Nick Berg's e-mail account. FBI calls it "total coincidence"   (nydailynews.com) divider line 595
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Ninja_Pancakes [TotalFark] 2004-05-14 08:58:14 AM  
Warning: Please place your tin foil hats on your head before reading the article.

There are a whole bunch of conspiracy theories in there...

 
snarf-snarf 2004-05-14 09:13:13 AM  
one of my best writing instructors had a saying, that the difference between fiction and non-fiction is that fiction has to make sense.

Real life is filled with weird coincidences.

 
fiver5 [TotalFark] 2004-05-14 09:17:15 AM  
I normally don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. But something just ain't right here.

Fishy Circumstances

Along with the other points, another TF'er said someting in a thread that I had noticed as well: the guy is pretty stoic before they do him in. Like he's had some training. Take the average Joe off the street and put him in the same scenerio.

I would be wailing hysterically, babbeling, crying, and literally pissing my pants.

 
fiver5 [TotalFark] 2004-05-14 09:23:37 AM  

 
Phalange 2004-05-14 09:43:44 AM  
fiver5: Stoic, possibly sedated, in shock... we'll never know and it's pretty much impossible to guess from what we saw.

 
mahuba 2004-05-14 09:44:07 AM  
If you are in a war zone I don't think that the US Army has a responsibility to protect you. Sorry tough shiat. Not that what happened to him wasn't horrible. But Kerry's thing at the end of the article was horse shiat.

""He feels let down by, let down by those who should have been protecting his son," Kerry told Fox News' Alan Colmes."

I'm still voting for Kerry

 
TappingTheVein 2004-05-14 09:44:18 AM  
Did he use the word 'password' as a password ?

 
Yodas Ugly Brother 2004-05-14 09:44:31 AM  
And here is a pre-emptive fluffy bunny

 
Wahre 2004-05-14 09:44:34 AM  
coincidence, I THINK NOT!


/will read article next time

 
syberpud 2004-05-14 09:44:57 AM  
fiver5
I haven't watched the video (don't want to), but it is reported he screamed when he was attacked. Chances are pretty good he didn't know he was going to be killed right there on film. He could have been totally surprised.

 
MrNiX 2004-05-14 09:45:10 AM  
fiver5: I thought I heard that Nick was a mercenary; that would account for his stoicism.

 
sigpop 2004-05-14 09:45:39 AM  
how in the heck can his parents blame the government for this?

 
NutznGum 2004-05-14 09:46:00 AM  
This story gets weirder by the day. I guess if you take a good, long look at anyone's life, you'll find a million odd things like this. But this story is one more coincedence away from being, well, more than just a series of coincedences.

 
Wahre 2004-05-14 09:46:41 AM  
...lol, nice link

 
skinink 2004-05-14 09:46:45 AM  
fiver5
"Along with the other points, another TF'er said someting in a thread that I had noticed as well: the guy is pretty stoic before they do him in. Like he's had some training. Take the average Joe off the street and put him in the same scenerio.

I would be wailing hysterically, babbeling, crying, and literally pissing my pants."


Not sure what to say, except I think my mind would be racing 1,000 miles an hour. I can't even imagine what I would be thinking, or trying not to think of. I would probably be in a catatonic state, like that dude.


But with all things considered, I pray to never, ever, be in that type of situation.


 
gte269 2004-05-14 09:47:05 AM  
"Berg's own E-mails home said U.S. soldiers had been guarding him."

I thought the other guy had his email password?

 
World Eater 2004-05-14 09:47:06 AM  
I'm calling shenanigans with the US Gov

/tinfoil hat engaged

 
Machtyn 2004-05-14 09:47:16 AM  
Hey what happened to the snot filled Buddha article this one just replaced.

/runs off to grab tinfoil hat

 
Uranus 2004-05-14 09:48:14 AM  
sigpop

because it's easier than blaming themselves, and potentially profitable too !

 
Jeffool 2004-05-14 09:48:19 AM  
Are you kidding me? Name one thing you can't blame the government.


/Anarchist-wannabe.

 
MiddleClassWhiteChristianRepublican 2004-05-14 09:48:38 AM  
Berg's family, however, is also blaming the White House for his gruesome death.

"Nicholas Berg died for the sins of [President] George Bush and [Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld," his father, Michael, told reporters. "This administration did this."


Go flame war go!1!1!!

 
H31N0US 2004-05-14 09:48:51 AM  
Possible scnerio:

Berg was on the wrong side. The CIA found out. They needed something to take focus off the prisioner pics.

The penalty for treason is death. Film the exicution, blame the boogie man.

1 stone, 2 birds.

/flame on, farkers.

 
Dasboot 2004-05-14 09:49:06 AM  
Berg's family has the right to say what they want about Bush and the US Government, but Kerry stepping in and talking to them, then discussing it on Fox News, that's just low.

Making political hay out of this kid's death is sick.

 
sp0rk_of_psychosis 2004-05-14 09:49:37 AM  
Whether or not the guy is a Merc/Covert-Ops guy, this is pretty weak:

"Nicholas Berg died for the sins of [President] George Bush and [Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld," his father, Michael, told reporters. "This administration did this."

Seriously...just keep passing the blame on...I mean, if this guy wasn't a gvt. employee, then buying a farking ticket to a farking war-zone is pretty much asking for a farking problem...

 
justmitch 2004-05-14 09:50:07 AM  
"Nicholas Berg died for the sins of [President] George Bush and [Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld," his father, Michael, told reporters. "This administration did this."

*applause*

 
Uranus 2004-05-14 09:50:23 AM  
skinink

you never know how you'll react.
stoicism in a situation like this may well be disbelief.

 
Takeaki 2004-05-14 09:51:48 AM  
Kevin Bacon is also under investigation by the FBI for knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows Zacarias Moussaoui and Nick Berg!

/it's a small world after all

 
mahuba 2004-05-14 09:51:55 AM  
about the stoicism... I would have been cursing Islam and the tards behind me if I knew I was going to be killed. I would have used every pejorative I knew to describe them and their sexual congress with certain desert dwelling creatures. I would have spit on them, everything. Berg couldn've known he was going to be butchered by those asstards or else he would have reacted in some way.

I mean at the very least shouting out "fark islam" would have come out of my mouth. Maybe he is a better guy than me but I gotta tell you I would be shiatting myself in anger and fear if I knew those shiat heads were going to kill me.

Of course he had decided to leave the realtive safety of his own country and go to Iraq so...

 
Ouroborus 2004-05-14 09:52:08 AM  
pencil?

 
General-Disarray 2004-05-14 09:52:13 AM  
Okay, how long before the book deal and movie rights are approved?

 
She comes in colors everywhere 2004-05-14 09:52:30 AM  

 
MiddleClassWhiteChristianRepublican 2004-05-14 09:52:31 AM  
Whoa! sp0rk_of_psychosis

We just quoted the exact same lines, coincidence. I think not. Do you by any chance have my email password?

 
ringersol 2004-05-14 09:52:48 AM  
I'm unclear how you have someone's email and password by coincidence? Not suggesting collusion necessarily, I'm just confused as to how that happened.

I mean, how many addresses and passwords for other people's email accounts do you have on-hand? Particularly for people you're completely unaffiliated with and have never met?

Berg might not have known Massaoui, but perhaps Massaoui had a specific interest in reading Berg's email?

If you wanted to see a conspiracy, I'd lean more toward the CIA's connection to Berg, than Berg's connection to Al Qaeda.

 
JeffF 2004-05-14 09:52:55 AM  
"Nicholas Berg died for the sins of [President] George Bush and [Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld," his father, Michael, told reporters. "This administration did this."

*sigh*

 
kraabel 2004-05-14 09:53:08 AM  
At first I was pretty sickened by this whole story. Now I'm not sure what to think. What exactly was Nick Berg doing in Iraq? I run an Internet company, you won't catch me going there trying to get Web clients...

Me thinks something fishy is going on.

 
Eeek [TotalFark] 2004-05-14 09:53:12 AM  
On 9/10, the day before 9/11, I had 9 tacos and 11 beers. Coincidence? I think not.

 
HyperX 2004-05-14 09:54:24 AM  
What I don't understand, is how can a Jewish family, in these times, by against the war? Why are so many Jews liberals, when their homeland (Israel) is constantly attacked by muslims? Does anyone know? Why are there so many liberal Jews?

 
nothingyet 2004-05-14 09:54:44 AM  
The horrible, blood-curdling scream this poor man lets out when he starts to feel blinding pain was unbearable to listen to. This poor man knew he had seconds left to live and was just screaming for his life.

Cattle are treated better in slaughterhouses.

The only blame for this rests on the hands of the savage who cut his head off.

I pray for Nick Berg's family to find peace somehow through this.

 
zerkalo 2004-05-14 09:55:02 AM  
Nick Berg is currently cooling off in a hanger at Wright-Patterson AFB with the 19 "hijackers"

 
General-Disarray 2004-05-14 09:55:03 AM  
mahuba

I agree. If they're going to kill me or even if I 'think' they're going to kill me and I'm on camera, I'm going to make a REALLY BIG SCENE. I would curse, try to tell the audience where I'm at, what I heard, everything farking thing. I would repeat the words, FARK ISLAM, ISLAM IS A BUNCH OF PIG FARKERS, etc. I wouldn't go out without a fight or at least whatever I could attempt.

 
Merge 2004-05-14 09:55:16 AM  
Don't wear a tin foil hat...yet...
but I do have to admit.. this is very odd... what the hell are the chances?

 
NutznGum 2004-05-14 09:56:07 AM  
Eeek


On 9/10, the day before 9/11, I had 9 tacos and 11 beers. Coincidence? I think not.


I bet you were a real pleasure to be around the next day. I can just imagine the aroma.

 
SockMonkeyHolocaust 2004-05-14 09:56:15 AM  
Dasboot
True, I respect their right to free speech, but I cringe whenver they wrongly blame his death on the Bush administration. I have been avoiding my foreign friends because of what they are going to say about how ignorant his family sounds.

 
The_Hound [TotalFark] 2004-05-14 09:56:47 AM  
The average American will never know the real truth. None of us were there, none of us ran the video recorder, none of us really know who sawed Nick's head off.
What I know is that this whole Iraq thing has gotten WAY out of hand. Do I have a solution? No.
Will I exercise my vote this fall (to do my small but important part to hopefully rectify some of the issues I see happening)? Damn straight.

 
gte269 2004-05-14 09:57:18 AM  
I agree. If they're going to kill me or even if I 'think' they're going to kill me and I'm on camera, I'm going to make a REALLY BIG SCENE.

There was 11 hours between the beginning and the end of the video... he probably didnt know it was finally time.

 
Suede head 2004-05-14 09:57:24 AM  
Face facts - Berg was probably working for Mossad.

 
ratboy 2004-05-14 09:57:39 AM  
Looks like I have to scratch hanging around in Iraq looking for work off of my job hunting strategy.

 
zerkalo 2004-05-14 09:58:19 AM  
Berg, 26, had traveled to Iraq to drum up work for his radio-tower business

*cough*CIA*cough*

 
pegusitas 2004-05-14 09:58:27 AM  
I made the mistake of downloading the video and watching it. Actually, the video was corrupt on the one I downloaded, so all I got was audio, and believe me... it's horrible. The sounds alone have been haunting me for the past two days.

 
General-Disarray 2004-05-14 09:58:28 AM  
gte269

Yeah, that's true if the time on the tape is correct? Don't know about that one.

 
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