I'd like to see this enforced. might be very interesting indeed.

So, in other words, they should...





... STOP ALL THE DOWNLOADING?

Yeah, good luck with that.

I wonder if this would affect things like tuition assistance at private schools, or just direct funding for the state schools.

Churchill2004: Yeah, good luck with that.

I wonder if this would affect things like tuition assistance at private schools, or just direct funding for the state schools.

either way, it's pointless. there's no way for a school to comply with a directive like this.

Weaver95: Churchill2004: Yeah, good luck with that.

I wonder if this would affect things like tuition assistance at private schools, or just direct funding for the state schools.

either way, it's pointless. there's no way for a school to comply with a directive like this.

My U is trying. They started by blocking every port except what Exchange and web browsing uses. When someone had a legitimate complaint about a particular port being blocked, they then opened that port. Rinse, repeat, until it became an utter failure.

It was fun when FTP stopped working without warning.

/that's what it's like when you have a complete incompetent as the head of IT

suckerpunch:

/that's what it's like when you have a complete incompetent as the head of IT

I prefer incompetence. makes it easier to get around whatever policies they impliment.

Maybe the government is using this as an excuse to shut down every university in the United States.

/Don't really believe that's the case, they're just stupid.

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: So, in other words, they should...

... STOP ALL THE DOWNLOADING?

Came for this, leaving very satisfied.

I'm guessing this will be about as effective as universities stopping underage drinking and illegal drug use.

loserkid182lr: Maybe the government is using this as an excuse to shut down every university in the United States.

/Don't really believe that's the case, they're just stupid.

What's the difference? Most are just taking loads of cash to give kids a party and a GED insofar as knowledge is concerned. If they want to go after file sharing, they can. Just like you can't keep armed forces recruiters off campus- the money comes from the fed. It's a racket. GM with the CEO sacked, seat belt laws, tons of stuff. Either party is to blame. The point is you put a bunch of dipshiats in charge of that much money, they start to do stupid stuff like that.

Weaver95: I'd like to see this enforced. might be very interesting indeed.

Around here the colleges all require you to install monitoring software on your computer in order to connect to the network.

It's just a little application that checks to see that you're running up-to-date antivirus software, makes sure you don't have BitTorrent clients or file-sharing programs installed, and then transmits all that information (plus "usage data") back to the IT department. Oh, and you have to supply a username and password whenever you connect to the internet via a web browser. And also, POP3 email service is blocked, so you have to use webmail clients.

This is why I live off-campus.

Well duh, the Democrats are as beholden to Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry as the Republicans are to Oil and Coal companies.

If elected to a second term, I would not be surprised in the slightest to see Obama try to get Congress to pass a new Federal tax penalty for all citizens over 18 who can not show proof of purchase for at least $500.00 in entertainment media for each Fiscal Year, be it CD, DVD or MP3 downloads purchased through an acknowledged commercial vendor such as iTunes or Amazon.

I mean, if you can't show you're buying at least $45 a month in entertainment, you MUST be a pirate and are making baby atheists cry.

Ohh, and if you think Federal mandates like the one in the article come from Obama et al, you'd be wrong. They come directly from the desks of Hollywood lawyers and lobbyists where they are drafted and then given to lawmakers to pass. Crap like this is a clear sign of how your precious republic is actually a plutocracy where wealthy individuals and corporations have direct influence over the governance and the sheeple are given nothing more than the illusion of influence with their "vote".

Will students see a "RIAA enforcement fee" on their tuition bills or will that just be rolled into the overall cost of classes? farking freeloaders want everyone else to pay the enforcement costs of their outdated business model.

Churchill2004: Yeah, good luck with that.

Soon bt will all be done through secure proxies in some far off land. Let them try stopping all https traffic or proving what's in those encrypted packets.

rcain: Well duh, the Democrats are as beholden to Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry as the Republicans are to Oil and Coal companies.

So allowing corporations to donate unlimited cash to politicians' campaigns might not be such a good idea? Who'da thunk?

/activist judges FTW!

Sleeping Monkey: rcain: Well duh, the Democrats are as beholden to Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry as the Republicans are to Oil and Coal companies.

So allowing corporations to donate unlimited cash to politicians' campaigns might not be such a good idea? Who'da thunk?

/activist judges FTW!

We have the best Congress money can buy.

Good luck with that.

Sleeping Monkey: Will students see a "RIAA enforcement fee" on their tuition bills or will that just be rolled into the overall cost of classes? farking freeloaders want everyone else to pay the enforcement costs of their outdated business model.

My oldest daughter has something similar to that on her bill. It's not called that, it's something more like 'Network data management fee' or some such, but that's part of what it's for. I think it's a couple of hundred bucks if I remember correctly. Their software actively looks for file sharers and disconnects them if they're suspected. They have to take their notebooks to the IT lab and demonstrate that they were doing something else to use the bandwidth before being allowed back on the U's network or they are fined and a semester-long probation may be initiated on a case-by-case basis.

I'm just here for the badger jokes...

...leaves disappointed.

President University, a student is using Bittorrent!

Shut...

DOWN...

EVERYTHING.

rcain: I mean, if you can't show you're buying at least $45 a month in entertainment,

My entertainment budget goes to 4 areas

1. Travel
2. Books
3. Movies (in theaters)
4. Live Concerts

all that you proposed i'd still be hit with tax since I head out of my home for entertainment. The Movies and the Concerts would have to go.

Turn on Transport Encryption in your file sharing program, and use PeerGuardian to avoid sharing with blacklisted IP#'s associated with investigations.

I don't know what it's like living on campus now, and I'm not exactly a computer whiz (knowledgable sure, but by no means an expert), but back when I was in college (late 90s) someone had written and hosted a search program which would search every shared folder on the school's internal network for files (music mainly, but also games, programs, etc).

I'm talking about a 35,000+ student university, so you could find pretty much any song you were ever looking for.

To those who are either in school now or smarter than I am on the subject, is this sort of thing still around?

Just call it undocumented downloading and everything is good. You need to know how to use the leftist loophole lingo!

Churchill2004: affect things like tuition assistance

Likely, given we already deny some forms of financial aid to students with marijuana arrests. Copyright is just the net bogeyman.

/Federal highway funding and states drinking age impressed

Filesharing or not, the hard copy music industry is not coming back. The industry needs to find new ways to make money off selling music, or they will just die off completely. I don't care either way really, music will survive without them. Most of the music put out by behemoth labels sucks anyway.

suckerpunch: Weaver95: Churchill2004: Yeah, good luck with that.

I wonder if this would affect things like tuition assistance at private schools, or just direct funding for the state schools.

either way, it's pointless. there's no way for a school to comply with a directive like this.

My U is trying. They started by blocking every port except what Exchange and web browsing uses. When someone had a legitimate complaint about a particular port being blocked, they then opened that port. Rinse, repeat, until it became an utter failure.

It was fun when FTP stopped working without warning.

/that's what it's like when you have a complete incompetent as the head of IT

Tell them that you play lots of League of Legends which uses ports in the 5000s range for lots of fun.

From the article:

The federal government democrats are clamping down on illegal file sharing on behalf of the leftist, jew owned music business interests college campuses with a new act that threatens loss of federal funding for schools that fail to adequately monitor illicit downloaders.

/FTFT

Churchill2004: eah, good luck with that.

I wonder if this would affect things like tuition assistance at private schools, or just direct funding for the state schools.

It's more to make Universities not protect their students. When I was at VT, they'd sell you out in a second to the RIAA for no problems. At Pitt, they'd actually not give out any student information and basically warn the student first (and at the time a second warning before stopping internet to them) but they didn't give out any info for the RIAA to sue with.

Things may have changed though

HomerSamson113: To those who are either in school now or smarter than I am on the subject, is this sort of thing still around?

Yes. It used to be that all you had to do was set your itunes to share, but now there's a client you have to download so unlimited users can connect to music libraries.

tech vs information control. Tech will win.

rcain: Well duh, the Democrats are as beholden to Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry as the Republicans are to Oil and Coal companies.

If elected to a second term, I would not be surprised in the slightest to see Obama try to get Congress to pass a new Federal tax penalty for all citizens over 18 who can not show proof of purchase for at least $500.00 in entertainment media for each Fiscal Year, be it CD, DVD or MP3 downloads purchased through an acknowledged commercial vendor such as iTunes or Amazon.

I mean, if you can't show you're buying at least $45 a month in entertainment, you MUST be a pirate and are making baby atheists cry.

Ohh, and if you think Federal mandates like the one in the article come from Obama et al, you'd be wrong. They come directly from the desks of Hollywood lawyers and lobbyists where they are drafted and then given to lawmakers to pass. Crap like this is a clear sign of how your precious republic is actually a plutocracy where wealthy individuals and corporations have direct influence over the governance and the sheeple are given nothing more than the illusion of influence with their "vote".

Oh awesome...

I rate a 10. I would've fallen for it if I wasn't in the mood. Top class.

HomerSamson113: I don't know what it's like living on campus now, and I'm not exactly a computer whiz (knowledgable sure, but by no means an expert), but back when I was in college (late 90s) someone had written and hosted a search program which would search every shared folder on the school's internal network for files (music mainly, but also games, programs, etc).

I'm talking about a 35,000+ student university, so you could find pretty much any song you were ever looking for.

To those who are either in school now or smarter than I am on the subject, is this sort of thing still around?

I went to a very small school, but we had something similar in our dorms (which we had to live in, ostensibly because it was an honors program). One kid just bought a bunch of hard drives, linked them together, then made them accessible over the school's network if you had the password. You could download or upload anything you liked. People had their own folders in which they would put, in addition to music, movies and other media, pictures of themselves, little updates...Facebook existed at the time (this is only a few years ago) but it was like our own private social network.

And yet, they still tried to block all the file sharing programs (the brass at the main campus, I imagine). They did manage to make a few unusable, but bittorrent still worked...and that is when I discovered bittorrent. So the amount of pirating I do now is actually the result of my school trying to keep me from pirating.

I give it 2 days before any system in place is broken by some kid really wanting his pornography.

suckerpunch: /that's what it's like when you have a complete incompetent as the head of IT

If you're talking about University of Tampa, it's not just the IT department that's incompetent.

Oznog: Turn on Transport Encryption in your file sharing program, and use PeerGuardian PeerBlock to avoid sharing with blacklisted IP#'s associated with investigations.

FTFY

Baldanders: I went to a very small school, but we had something similar in our dorms (which we had to live in, ostensibly because it was an honors program). One kid just bought a bunch of hard drives, linked them together, then made them accessible over the school's network if you had the password. You could download or upload anything you liked. People had their own folders in which they would put, in addition to music, movies and other media, pictures of themselves, little updates...Facebook existed at the time (this is only a few years ago) but it was like our own private social network.

I actually feel bad about how difficult it is to file share these days, especially in college. That school network is how I learned about most of the new music I became interested in - I'd come across a few songs from someone new and end up going out and buying the album or hitting up a concert; they'd get my money in the end, but I had the chance to see if I liked them first. If I didn't like them, well, then they didn't deserve my cash.

That, and, it was undeniably easy to find good porn!

Weaver95: either way, it's pointless. there's no way for a school to comply with a directive like this.

Sure they can.

Let's say that a copyright officer for a Uni gets a cease and desist order.

The answer is to place implicated students on academic probation and repeat offenders expelled, provided it can be proven, and it usually can.

Simple enough. No offense to the kids, but no school that gets any significant amount of funding from federal programs is going to fark around.

This is an easy problem to solve.

1. You implement a usage policy.
2. You force use of an authenticating proxy.
3. You block obvious filesharing applications.
4. You monitor encrypted traffic for large data transfers.
5. You snicker at net lawyers who confuse privileges with rights.

letrole: You monitor encrypted traffic for large data transfers.

On what basis would you differentiate between high-volume encrypted traffic and high-volume unencrypted traffic?

Why are universities getting federal aid in the first place?

suckerpunch: Weaver95: Churchill2004: Yeah, good luck with that.

I wonder if this would affect things like tuition assistance at private schools, or just direct funding for the state schools.

either way, it's pointless. there's no way for a school to comply with a directive like this.

My U is trying. They started by blocking every port except what Exchange and web browsing uses. When someone had a legitimate complaint about a particular port being blocked, they then opened that port. Rinse, repeat, until it became an utter failure.

It was fun when FTP stopped working without warning.

/that's what it's like when you have a complete incompetent as the head of IT

Port 80 and a web browser is all you need.

letrole: This is an easy problem to solve.

1. You implement a usage policy.
2. You force use of an authenticating proxy.
3. You block obvious filesharing applications.
4. You monitor encrypted traffic for large data transfers.
5. You snicker at net lawyers who confuse privileges with rights.


oh look finally you do something new.....sort of

rcain: Well duh, the Democrats are as beholden to Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry as the Republicans are to Oil and Coal companies.


This was signed into law by Bush in 2008.

ArrogantGod: Why are universities getting federal aid in the first place?

Tuition isn't going to go up by itself!

notto: This was signed into law by Bush in 2008.

Though it would have never been possible without Clinton's DMCA.

Cinaed: implicated students

And when your entire student body is implicated?

Weaver95: Churchill2004: Yeah, good luck with that.

I wonder if this would affect things like tuition assistance at private schools, or just direct funding for the state schools.

either way, it's pointless. there's no way for a school to comply with a directive like this.

If it's done on the University's network, they can packet sniff. Suspected violators are disciplined.

Sleeping Monkey: letrole: You monitor encrypted traffic for large data transfers.

On what basis would you differentiate between high-volume encrypted traffic and high-volume unencrypted traffic?

That's easy enough, any decent firewall can differentiate between the two. If that doesn't provide fine enough control, you can use deep packet inspection (new window), which works on encrypted protocols as well, to filter out some encrypted traffic (bittorent, skype), but not others (https).

Government
Corporations

Who is working for who here?


Your media just became obsolete and you can no longer control your own data. Do you:

A) Realize that you will have to change your business model to accommodate for the reality of the situation.

B)Lobby lawmakers to give you legal recourse to submit mass lawsuits against intellectual property propagators.


A crime that is so easy to commit by so many people in such large numbers and in such large amounts simply can't be the burden of our legal system to process.

These companies are really more of an unstoppable legal force now than actual content distributors. The courts can't protect them from reality, and the reality is that their position of importance to the creation and distribution of music has faded significantly and no matter how many civil suits they bring for how many thousands of dollars each they will never change that.