most excellent

I do not believe that he just suddenly thought "Oh, that reminds me of something... Where to look, where to look? Oh, I know--an Edith Piaf song played at slow speed."

He must have read about it somewhere.

//Oh look, here's a July 13th Bob Cashill review of the Inception CD that talks about the connection.

The plot is not a mystery. Pay attention.

HulkHands: The plot is not a mystery. Pay attention.

Really? "Pay attention"? I am offended that you'd assume that I can't stay focus- oh hey! The sun's shining! Let's go ride bikes!

That's pretty awesome ;-)

HulkHands: The plot is not a mystery. Pay attention.

Maybe YOU didn't pay enough attention and think you know what happened. EVER THINK OF THAT SMARTY MCSMARTPANTS?

When I saw that youtube video my first thought was: It's like the whole audience is dreaming, and the film score is just the countdown music from our waking life, garbled and slowed down by sleep, coming through to let us know it's almost time to wake up.

/it was all OUR dream

While writing the screenplay, Nolan wrote in Édith Piaf's "Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien" but almost took it out when he cast Marion Cotillard, who starred as Piaf in 2007 film La Vie en rose. Zimmer convinced Nolan to keep it in the film and also integrated elements of the song into his score. (new window)

I'm surprised Nolan didn't hire someone else to play Mal.

AR55: While writing the screenplay, Nolan wrote in Édith Piaf's "Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien" but almost took it out when he cast Marion Cotillard, who starred as Piaf in 2007 film La Vie en rose. Zimmer convinced Nolan to keep it in the film and also integrated elements of the song into his score. (new window)

I'm surprised Nolan didn't hire someone else to play Mal.

I actually think it's genius that Cotillard played Mal. I like that connection that goes beyond the boundaries of the film.

Does this matter? How and why does anyone care about this?

This is such non-news I'm surprised it isn't (checks cnn.com, phew) a CNN Headline.

AmazinTim: Does this matter? How and why does anyone care about this?

This is such non-news I'm surprised it isn't (checks cnn.com, phew) a CNN Headline.

Wollffeey: I actually think it's genius that Cotillard played Mal. I like that connection that goes beyond the boundaries of the film.

It wasn't genius, it was unintentional. Pure happenstance.

god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

AR55: Wollffeey: I actually think it's genius that Cotillard played Mal. I like that connection that goes beyond the boundaries of the film.

It wasn't genius, it was unintentional. Pure happenstance.

I don't care. I like that detail, unintentional or not. So nyah!

AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

why would you say that? I've seen it twice

AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

*sigh*

What did you think of the movie, Amazin Tim?

moistD: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

why would you say that? I've seen it twice

If you love this movie so much don't ever watch Cronenberg "eXistenZ" it will ruin a lot of this movie for you.

/hot

ReAnimator: moistD: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

why would you say that? I've seen it twice

If you love this movie so much don't ever watch Cronenberg "eXistenZ" it will ruin a lot of this movie for you.

Good Lord. And make sure you don't watch The 13th Floor before Existenz, or it'll be ruined for you. And you can't watch Dark City before The 13th Floor. Or Matrix before Dark City. Or The Wizard of Oz, or Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, or Alice in Wonderland or...

bigmattress: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

*sigh*

What did you think of the movie, Amazin Tim?

How long you got? I'll give you the short of it.

Nice to look at, nice to listen to, an overall fun experience and Nolan fans will love it.

It was, however, emotionally hollow, relatively pointless, and easily forgotten. It wasn't the mind fark or brilliant masterpiece Nolanites will have you believe it is, but it's about as good as Transformers. Big budget summer fun that's void of much thought ot meaning.

Do A Barrel Roll: /hot

I LOLed.

/subby
//liked the movie
///think i understood it...?
////slashies

AmazinTim: bigmattress: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

*sigh*

What did you think of the movie, Amazin Tim?

How long you got? I'll give you the short of it.

Nice to look at, nice to listen to, an overall fun experience and Nolan fans will love it.

It was, however, emotionally hollow, relatively pointless, and easily forgotten. It wasn't the mind fark or brilliant masterpiece Nolanites will have you believe it is, but it's about as good as Transformers. Big budget summer fun that's void of much thought ot meaning.

LOL, you had my interest and respect up until "but it's about as good as Transformers". Then it became laughable.

Personally, I think the movie would have been 10x better if it was called "Dream Police" and Cheap Trick did the soundtrack.

But that's just me.

I don't get the confusion. Before I saw it, all I saw were fark headlines about it being incomprehensible and confusing. It was really easy to follow the dreams, and the only ambiguity was the ending, and that was by design.

ReAnimator: moistD: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

why would you say that? I've seen it twice

If you love this movie so much don't ever watch Cronenberg "eXistenZ" it will ruin a lot of this movie for you.


One of the things I think is interesting about this movie is it seems to be an evolution of the virtual reality movie. Tons and tons of movies have been made about going into peoples dreams, or virtual realities, or parallel universes. A few of these movies involve virtual worlds within virtual worlds.

Inception starts off with a virtual world within a virtual world, and later in the movie does virtual world within virtual world within virtual world blah blah blah. Fifteen years ago, nobody would have been able to follow this movie because it would just be too crazy. But because we're so familiar with the virtual reality movie, Nolan was able to take the concept and go completely insane with it, and have people actually come out of the movie saying "it's not complicated."

El Chode: I don't get the confusion. Before I saw it, all I saw were fark headlines about it being incomprehensible and confusing. It was really easy to follow the dreams, and the only ambiguity was the ending, and that was by design.

I don't get the confusion, either. Everyone I watched it with, all my friends I've discussed it with - all of us seem to have no problem understanding the movie.

I just don't get all the internet community cries of "OMG I DIDNT GET IT!"

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Pete and repeat are chained to a wall....

Modmins,

Just because this topic has been posted at least one other time doesn't mean you have to shunt it to ultr....................................................
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Kipple: I don't get the confusion, either. Everyone I watched it with, all my friends I've discussed it with - all of us seem to have no problem understanding the movie.

SPOILERS

Inception is a really easy film to understand if you're looking for a specific plot. It is very structured in that regard. But that's like saying you understand 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968). You can't understand it, because you don't know the intentions of the director (or the film editor, for that matter). Everyone has different intentions. The director sees one (or multiple) thing, the editor sees another, the composer sees another, all of the actors, and so forth.

There are confusing movies out there that do have one path, such as Primer (2004), which is confusing as fark, but once you understand what the hell is going on, you can see where the film was going. Not so in Inception's case.

Inception isn't like The Others (2001), or The Sixth Sense (1999), where a twist at the end suddenly reveals the film. What's going on in Inception has nothing to do with the little twist at the end. Yes, that is a relevant scene, but people are looking at it as if they can dismiss it.

Is Cobb still dreaming?
Is the entire film a dream?
Who's dream is it?
If Cobb is in a dream at the end, when did that dream start?
How can limbo be a shared dream? Is the movie going into the supernatural instead of just the physical realm of dreams?
Or is limbo instead one person's dream -- Cobb's, and others are hooked up to it?
Is the true "inception" in the movie happening to Cobb?
Is the inception happening to the audience?

There are so many more questions and no one can answer them with confidence because you simply do not know. You can only theorize.

ignite ice: Kipple: I don't get the confusion, either. Everyone I watched it with, all my friends I've discussed it with - all of us seem to have no problem understanding the movie.

SPOILERS

Inception is a really easy film to understand if you're looking for a specific plot. It is very structured in that regard. But that's like saying you understand 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968). You can't understand it, because you don't know the intentions of the director (or the film editor, for that matter). Everyone has different intentions. The director sees one (or multiple) thing, the editor sees another, the composer sees another, all of the actors, and so forth.

There are confusing movies out there that do have one path, such as Primer (2004), which is confusing as fark, but once you understand what the hell is going on, you can see where the film was going. Not so in Inception's case.

Inception isn't like The Others (2001), or The Sixth Sense (1999), where a twist at the end suddenly reveals the film. What's going on in Inception has nothing to do with the little twist at the end. Yes, that is a relevant scene, but people are looking at it as if they can dismiss it.

Is Cobb still dreaming?
Is the entire film a dream?
Who's dream is it?
If Cobb is in a dream at the end, when did that dream start?
How can limbo be a shared dream? Is the movie going into the supernatural instead of just the physical realm of dreams?
Or is limbo instead one person's dream -- Cobb's, and others are hooked up to it?
Is the true "inception" in the movie happening to Cobb?
Is the inception happening to the audience?

There are so many more questions and no one can answer them with confidence because you simply do not know. You can only theorize.

Just like Transformers.

Er, wait...

ignite ice: Kipple: I don't get the confusion, either. Everyone I watched it with, all my friends I've discussed it with - all of us seem to have no problem understanding the movie.

SPOILERS

Inception is a really easy film to understand if you're looking for a specific plot. It is very structured in that regard. But that's like saying you understand 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968). You can't understand it, because you don't know the intentions of the director (or the film editor, for that matter). Everyone has different intentions. The director sees one (or multiple) thing, the editor sees another, the composer sees another, all of the actors, and so forth.

There are confusing movies out there that do have one path, such as Primer (2004), which is confusing as fark, but once you understand what the hell is going on, you can see where the film was going. Not so in Inception's case.

Inception isn't like The Others (2001), or The Sixth Sense (1999), where a twist at the end suddenly reveals the film. What's going on in Inception has nothing to do with the little twist at the end. Yes, that is a relevant scene, but people are looking at it as if they can dismiss it.

Is Cobb still dreaming?
Is the entire film a dream?
Who's dream is it?
If Cobb is in a dream at the end, when did that dream start?
How can limbo be a shared dream? Is the movie going into the supernatural instead of just the physical realm of dreams?
Or is limbo instead one person's dream -- Cobb's, and others are hooked up to it?
Is the true "inception" in the movie happening to Cobb?
Is the inception happening to the audience?

There are so many more questions and no one can answer them with confidence because you simply do not know. You can only theorize.

Intentionally ambiguous movie is ambiguous. Yeah, I figured that out a while ago.

bigmattress: ReAnimator: moistD: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

why would you say that? I've seen it twice

If you love this movie so much don't ever watch Cronenberg "eXistenZ" it will ruin a lot of this movie for you.

Good Lord. And make sure you don't watch The 13th Floor before Existenz, or it'll be ruined for you. And you can't watch Dark City before The 13th Floor. Or Matrix before Dark City. Or The Wizard of Oz, or Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, or Alice in Wonderland or...

No way man. Inception is totally original and never been done before and ground breaking and Nolan is some kind of genius.

Or something.

As noted in prior thread on the complete "meh" factor of Inception...

Reality, it only exists in your mind! And if you [take the red pill | plug into our magic box] I'll show you just [how deep the rabbit hole | how many levels] we can go! But make sure you don't let the [agents | projections] kill you or [you'll really be dead | you'll end up in Limbo!] Good thing we have [the one | the architect] to help prevent that.

Will [Cobb | Cypher] realize his dream of returning to [Limbo Dream | The Matrix ] and be [reunited with his wife | fed a really rare steak (you know, someone rich, but not famous)] proving once again that ignorance is bliss?

Tune in next week to "This has all been done before..."

/ Enquiring minds want to know.
// Meh

Do A Barrel Roll: /hot

noobcake: ---------

Gold!

bigmattress: AmazinTim: bigmattress: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

*sigh*

What did you think of the movie, Amazin Tim?

How long you got? I'll give you the short of it.

Nice to look at, nice to listen to, an overall fun experience and Nolan fans will love it.

It was, however, emotionally hollow, relatively pointless, and easily forgotten. It wasn't the mind fark or brilliant masterpiece Nolanites will have you believe it is, but it's about as good as Transformers. Big budget summer fun that's void of much thought ot meaning.

LOL, you had my interest and respect up until "but it's about as good as Transformers". Then it became laughable.

Perfect.

/did it for the lulz
//the Transformers reference that is, the rest of it was my sincere opinion.

AmazinTim: bigmattress: AmazinTim: bigmattress: AmazinTim: moistD: god I farking love this movie and everything related to it. Now do me a favor, never make a sequel or a prequel, let some people right some non-canon novels with the universe and put it out on blu-ray already with some badass behind the scenes features.

You... you didn't see the film, did you?

*sigh*

What did you think of the movie, Amazin Tim?

How long you got? I'll give you the short of it.

Nice to look at, nice to listen to, an overall fun experience and Nolan fans will love it.

It was, however, emotionally hollow, relatively pointless, and easily forgotten. It wasn't the mind fark or brilliant masterpiece Nolanites will have you believe it is, but it's about as good as Transformers. Big budget summer fun that's void of much thought ot meaning.

LOL, you had my interest and respect up until "but it's about as good as Transformers". Then it became laughable.

Perfect.

/did it for the lulz
//the Transformers reference that is, the rest of it was my sincere opinion.

lulz you got!

Rent Party:

Tune in next week to "This has all been done before..."



Kind of like your posts comparing this movie to that other one?

By the way, similarities are definitely there, but so are the differences. But your similarities are way way off. Just so you know.

I mean...you're comparing Neo to Ariadne. Baffling.

Reality, it only exists in your mind!

Not sure where this one is coming from.

And if you [take the red pill | plug into our magic box] I'll show you just [how deep the rabbit hole | how many levels] we can go!

An item is used to get people into or out of, a dream state. Sure, fine. Just like Alice in Wonderland. (Do you hate on Matrix for ripping that off? Or is it okay because they call it the same thing?) Anyway, the point in the Matrix is to show you something real, the real world. Inception does the opposite, it takes you into a dream world. One is to show you the truth, the other is for corporate espionage, based on a world that is lies.

But make sure you don't let the [agents | projections] kill you or [you'll really be dead | you'll end up in Limbo!]

Again, I see a huge difference between dying and limbo. And limbo comes later, and only as a side effect of sedation. Initially, getting killed in a dream snaps you back to reality, or at least one level up in the dream. I don't know who has done that before, usually it's "Get killed in the dream and you die for real."

Matrix has an arch nemesis (Mr Smith) and the agents who battle Neo at every turn. Cobb and his team are up against faceless projections, sure, but mainly his worst enemy is himself. There isn't any one "bad guy" he's up against. He pretty much is the bad guy, the whole team is a bunch of thieves!

Good thing we have [the one | the architect] to help prevent that.

LOLWUT

Will [Cobb | Cypher] realize his dream of returning to [Limbo Dream | The Matrix ] and be [reunited with his wife | fed a really rare steak (you know, someone rich, but not famous)] proving once again that ignorance is bliss?

Cobb's dream is not to return to limbo and be reunited with his wife. Did you watch this frigging movie? He wanted the real world, to see his kids. Cypher wanted to get away from the real world.

And while you draw some similarities, there are vast amounts of differences that you aren't pointing out but keep asking for.

Here are a few:

The main character/protagonist in Matrix is a messiah who is oblivious to the workings of the whole thing. Inception's Cobb is the premiere extractor. He knows all the ins and outs of dreams, even spending 50 years in limbo.

Matrix's plot is...what...finding "The One" who will set all others free into the real world? Inception is about letting go and finding home. Remember, plot, not story.

One gives the characters any kind of knowledge or power they want, even being able to resurrect themselves in the dream world. The other pretty much plays within the laws of physics. (This one may be a stretch, due to the anti-gravity scene, but at least it's explained and has context.)


I can do more, but I don't want to. I'm not going to convince you that this was a good movie, but at least realize you're really reaching with some of your points.

El Chode: I don't get the confusion. Before I saw it, all I saw were fark headlines about it being incomprehensible and confusing. It was really easy to follow the dreams, and the only ambiguity was the ending, and that was by design.

this.

although the infographic dealy is nice.

ignite ice:

Wait, you can't write all those crazy Jesus trolls and then make serious comments too. That's what alts are for.

The true inception was planting the idea in Saito that he would use his power to have the charges against Cobb dropped. The entire movie was Cobb and his team doing this to Saito and then leading him out of limbo. Fischer was simply a pawn in this to make it stick. It was important that they succeed with Fischer as well so that Saito would not realize in the real world that he had been conned.

If you listen to them explaining early on how to make an implanted idea stick, you had to make it seem like the person came up with it on their own.

Great score BTW. Very effective.

People who are saying that Inception and The Matrix are the same, or even similar films didn't understand either.

bigmattress: Rent Party:

Tune in next week to "This has all been done before..."



Kind of like your posts comparing this movie to that other one?

By the way, similarities are definitely there, but so are the differences. But your similarities are way way off. Just so you know.

I mean...you're comparing Neo to Ariadne. Baffling.

Well I'm sure you're gonna get around to telling me all about those differences Real Soon Now. I know you've only had a week or so to get to it, so I can understand the delay.

Same movie is the same.

"I had to go and extract these two notes out of a recording," Mr. Zimmer said, using a little bit of "Inception" lingo. "I love technology, so it was a lot of fun for me to go and get the original master out of the French national archives. And then find some crazy scientist in France who would actually go and take that one cell out of the DNA."


It would seem that biology was not one of Hans' strongest subjects in school.

...that it was pretty much the same score as Shutter Island?

KWPLunchbox: The true inception was planting the idea in Saito that he would use his power to have the charges against Cobb dropped. The entire movie was Cobb and his team doing this to Saito and then leading him out of limbo. Fischer was simply a pawn in this to make it stick. It was important that they succeed with Fischer as well so that Saito would not realize in the real world that he had been conned.

If you listen to them explaining early on how to make an implanted idea stick, you had to make it seem like the person came up with it on their own.

Great score BTW. Very effective.

INCEPTION WITHIN INCEPTION WITHIN INCEPTION

Rent Party: bigmattress: Rent Party:

Tune in next week to "This has all been done before..."



Kind of like your posts comparing this movie to that other one?

By the way, similarities are definitely there, but so are the differences. But your similarities are way way off. Just so you know.

I mean...you're comparing Neo to Ariadne. Baffling.

Well I'm sure you're gonna get around to telling me all about those differences Real Soon Now. I know you've only had a week or so to get to it, so I can understand the delay.

Same movie is the same.

Uh, I did.

/repetitive troll is repetitive

mrjared: People who are saying that Inception and The Matrix are the same, or even similar films didn't understand either.

Indeed, this.