Does not approve.

Senators voted 32-17 to make bar and tavern owners responsible for reporting illegal drug dealing, prostitution, brawls or other law-breaking activities that might occur on parking lots or other areas adjacent to their licensed premises under their jurisdiction.

what the hell is the point of going to the bar at that point? might as well just stay home and do coke off the back of my beaten prostitute there and save the cover charge.

thomps: Senators voted 32-17 to make bar and tavern owners responsible for reporting illegal drug dealing, prostitution, brawls or other law-breaking activities that might occur on parking lots or other areas adjacent to their licensed premises under their jurisdiction.

Great. The liability risk built into that means they'll have to hire extra personnel in order to watch every square inch of the joint at once...Wouldn't want to get sued because you blinked while some guy was shooting up in the bathroom, eh?.

Yes, you can has three dozen bouncers. It'll be the safest, most secure fifty-dollar Gin and Tonic you'll ever drink.

Senators voted 32-17 to make bar and tavern owners responsible for reporting illegal drug dealing, prostitution, brawls or other law-breaking activities that might occur on parking lots or other areas adjacent to their licensed premises under their jurisdiction. pay higher insurance premiums in order to provide a bonanza for the plaintiff's bar, which, entirely coincidentally, is a very powerful political lobby.

MaxxLarge: thomps: Senators voted 32-17 to make bar and tavern owners responsible for reporting illegal drug dealing, prostitution, brawls or other law-breaking activities that might occur on parking lots or other areas adjacent to their licensed premises under their jurisdiction.

Great. The liability risk built into that means they'll have to hire extra personnel in order to watch every square inch of the joint at once...Wouldn't want to get sued because you blinked while some guy was shooting up in the bathroom, eh?.

Yes, you can has three dozen bouncers. It'll be the safest, most secure fifty-dollar Gin and Tonic you'll ever drink.

reading it again, it looks like it just takes the liability that they already have for activity going on in the bar and extends it to adjacent areas (parking lots, etc) that are owned by the bar, but not inside the bar. so instead of throwing trouble-makers out of the bar, now you have to throw them all the way off the property and make sure they don't come back and hang out in the parking lot? this seems pretty stupid.

thomps: reading it again, it looks like it just takes the liability that they already have for activity going on in the bar and extends it to adjacent areas (parking lots, etc) that are owned by the bar, but not inside the bar. so instead of throwing trouble-makers out of the bar, now you have to throw them all the way off the property and make sure they don't come back and hang out in the parking lot? this seems pretty stupid.

If they're off your property, its silly to assign you any responsibility as a bar owner. Public property is absolutely the cops responsibility.

If they're on your property, I can see a bar having a little extra responsibility over douchebags than, say, a retail shop. Because its your drinks turning them into douchebags.

downstairs: thomps: reading it again, it looks like it just takes the liability that they already have for activity going on in the bar and extends it to adjacent areas (parking lots, etc) that are owned by the bar, but not inside the bar. so instead of throwing trouble-makers out of the bar, now you have to throw them all the way off the property and make sure they don't come back and hang out in the parking lot? this seems pretty stupid.

If they're off your property, its silly to assign you any responsibility as a bar owner. Public property is absolutely the cops responsibility.

If they're on your property, I can see a bar having a little extra responsibility over douchebags than, say, a retail shop. Because its your drinks turning them into douchebags.

i give you dram shop liability (new window)

"They're not selling Coca Cola, they're selling Everclear and, as a licensed retail of liquor, they've agreed to act in a certain way," McCoy countered"

Honestly, I don't believe I've ever seen a bar that stocks Everclear. Sounds like typical legislative drama queen semantics.

These people are selling death in a frosty mug! Shouldn't they be forced to breathe the 'air of life' back into the communities that they devastate with their insidious carpet-bombing of potable Hiroshima cocktails? That's a rhetorical question my esteemed colleagues, are we going to allow these death-dealers to be complicit in the murder of everyone we know and love? Why just yesterday me and the wife were having a business Roy Rogers with a colleague and witnessed firsthand the most hideous example of whoring in the parking lot. Well it was a fundie PAC member handing me a bribe BUT I DIGRESS!

One word...... Karaoke

Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???

Something along these lines shut down the best parts of a place called the Country Club in Reseda, California... People would get all crazy a block away and the concert hall was blamed for the bad behavior. Be easier to simply put a cop on every block like the old days.

I wasn't drunk in public, I was drunk in a bar! They THREW me into public. Arrest THEM!

They're going to ban kids from bars?

They can have my Beam and Diet Coke when they take it from my cold, dead hands.

Did someone say Glenlivet?

I bought my American brother in law a bottle of 18 year old Bruichladdich for Christmas. Found out he's been drinking it with ice and something called 'Mountain Dew'.

Yes. He's dead to me.

Combine this with the draconian bar-raiding measures in Fort Worth and you have a recipe for evil money-making.

I bought a bottle of Glenlivet with my friend one night. Our other friend asked if he could have a shot. He went to pour some chaser and we said "what the hell are you doing?"
(cool story bro)

Has anyone else remarked yet that submitter obviously goes to shiatty bars? No? Well, then allow me: submitter obviously goes to shiatty bars.

ClipJoint: Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???

Not sure about douchey, but it is an affront to God and Scotch to mix Glenlivet with anything but ice.

ClipJoint

Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???


Apparently Dr Pepper is the way to go.

Englebert Slaptyback: ClipJoint

Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???


Apparently Dr Pepper is the way to go.

Only if you are out of RC, only then.

Hey California Assembly, see what State Legislatures have time to do when they can pass a balanced budget on time?

/ducks and runs

FriarReb98: ClipJoint: Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???

Not sure about douchey, but it is an affront to God and Scotch to mix Glenlivet with anything but ice.

Any single malt worth drinking should always be neat.

FriarReb98: Not sure about douchey, but it is an affront to God and Scotch to mix Glenlivet with anything but ice.

QFT

done in one

Iron Chef Scottish: I bought my American brother in law a bottle of 18 year old Bruichladdich for Christmas. Found out he's been drinking it with ice and something called 'Mountain Dew'.

Yes. He's dead to me.


Please tell me you're joking.

ClipJoint: Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???


Not at all. BTW, I make sangria with Opus One.

bingo the psych-o

Only if you are out of RC, only then.


That is a bad but somewhat different problem, because then I have nothing to keep the Moon Pie company.

gr8 job subby -- my nominee for Headline of the Year



/yes, I live in a college town

How can they pass a law like this and then specifically exclude convenience, grocery, and liquor stores. I've witnessed far more drugs being dealt in convenience store and large grocery parking lots than outside bars.

MaxxLarge: thomps: Senators voted 32-17 to make bar and tavern owners responsible for reporting illegal drug dealing, prostitution, brawls or other law-breaking activities that might occur on parking lots or other areas adjacent to their licensed premises under their jurisdiction.

Great. The liability risk built into that means they'll have to hire extra personnel in order to watch every square inch of the joint at once...Wouldn't want to get sued because you blinked while some guy was shooting up in the bathroom, eh?.

Yes, you can has three dozen bouncers. It'll be the safest, most secure fifty-dollar Gin and Tonic you'll ever drink.

Unfortunately, this leads to bouncers acting like bullies to the patrons that are hitting on the bartender they like. Get over yourselves. I still, will get her number.

Quintessence: Any single malt worth drinking should always be neat.

I will accept this as well. Been a while since I had it, actually.

It is Iowa. What constitutes a nuisance there is like a daycare in Detroit. It is no big deal anyway, the bars will just have to fence in the parking lot and restrict entry at that point rather than the front door. They do have fences in Iowa, don't they?

ClipJoint:

Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???
Beyond douchey, yes. Scotch is for undersexed old ladies to begin with, and Diet coke is for trailer trash. You do the math.

FriarReb98: Quintessence: Any single malt worth drinking should always be neat.

I will accept this as well. Been a while since I had it, actually.

That's probably because single malt scotch and cigars have been on the back burner of trends as of late.

1 finger = 1 ice cube for me. Speaking of which, time for a glass.

I was at a bar last week when someone asked for some of the good Scotch with a coke. The bartender politely declined. The patron asked to see the owner. The owner came out, the man reiterated his request. The owner told the man that "drinking doesn't come with training wheels, if you want to learn how to do it right, ask the bartender... if not, there's plenty of liquor stores where they'll sell you anything."

As a former bartender, I've refused to serve some things. Any single malt with anything other then water or ice or brandy/cognac with anything. "sorry dude, wrong bar"

Bar nuisance? Is that like some party for 13 year-old farm kids?

MikeSass: It is Iowa. What constitutes a nuisance there is like a daycare in Detroit. It is no big deal anyway, the bars will just have to fence in the parking lot and restrict entry at that point rather than the front door. They do have fences in Iowa, don't they?

ClipJoint:

Ordering Glenlivet with Diet Coke is douchey???
Beyond douchey, yes. Scotch is for undersexed old ladies to begin with, and Diet coke is for trailer trash. You do the math.

What the hell is wrong with Diet Coke? I understand mixing it with scotch being a BAD thing, but simply Diet Coke is trailer trash? Glenlivet and Diet nowhere approaches you douche-levels. Get your pretentious ass back to the beer snob thread, jerk off.

firefly212: I was at a bar last week when someone asked for some of the good Scotch with a coke. The bartender politely declined. The patron asked to see the owner. The owner came out, the man reiterated his request. The owner told the man that "drinking doesn't come with training wheels, if you want to learn how to do it right, ask the bartender... if not, there's plenty of liquor stores where they'll sell you anything."

I think this is what MikeSass was going for. I actually agree with that.

The one time I had that ordered from me, I poured the tool a whisky in one glass, a Diet Coke in another, and told him I would have nothing to do with such blasphemy.

bmfderek: The one time I had that ordered from me, I poured the tool a whisky in one glass, a Diet Coke in another, and told him I would have nothing to do with such blasphemy.

Why not just give the customer what he ordered? I'm not well-versed in bartender ethics, but does it reflect badly on your trade to mix something like that?

I look forward to some of the various bars in downtown Iowa City going out of business as a result of this law.

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People are douche bags all on their own, booze my help bring it out but the person who chooses to go to the bar, buy the drinks and drinks them should be solely responsible for their actions. I mean unless the patron is obviously wasted and should not be getting served anymore. Though lots of people can be wankers long before they are that drunk.

GonadtheBarbarian: bmfderek: The one time I had that ordered from me, I poured the tool a whisky in one glass, a Diet Coke in another, and told him I would have nothing to do with such blasphemy.

Why not just give the customer what he ordered? I'm not well-versed in bartender ethics, but does it reflect badly on your trade to mix something like that?

I just don't understand it. Why would you pay more for good liquor then put soda in it? Buy some crappy cheap stuff if you're just trying to get hammered.

Glenlivet with diet Coke?

To paraphrase the old Gent in the New Yorker cartoon about the man who ordered Scotch and 7-up, I think I'm going to be sick.

Mind you, diet Coke has that effect on me even without wasting a good glass of Scotch.

Don't for the love of Harry try mixing diet Coke and regular Coke. It doesn't help.

GonadtheBarbarian: Why not just give the customer what he ordered? I'm not well-versed in bartender ethics, but does it reflect badly on your trade to mix something like that?

in many places you'd be refused. the Irish pub by me wouldn't give you a single malt and cola but if you wanted premium vodak and a mixer they would. wasting your money and wasting good scotch are two different things ;-)

NYRBill: GonadtheBarbarian: Why not just give the customer what he ordered? I'm not well-versed in bartender ethics, but does it reflect badly on your trade to mix something like that?

in many places you'd be refused. the Irish pub by me wouldn't give you a single malt and cola but if you wanted premium vodak and a mixer they would. wasting your money and wasting good scotch are two different things ;-)

I understand that it is a complete waste of good scotch(although I'm partial to blends), but still...cash is cash, and if someone wants to spend 10 bucks to ruin 18 years of work with Splenda or corn syrup, so be it.