Keep you friends close and your enemies closer.

Wasserspeier: Keep you friends close and your enemies closer.

Like Dostum?
Hardly likely.
He's complicit in war crimes.
/just like Bush

Pretty soon they will have the replace the Generals with Bridgestones.

/everybody does, eventually

This is an awesome idea and exactly what we should have done with the Iraqi military.

Why, what could possibly go wrong?

At least they've got jobs now. When we dissolved the Iraqi army a lot of them were a bit unhappy about it.

Also,

There is no way this great of an idea can possibly backfire at all.

That's real bipartisanship!

Wake up sheeple. Just another in a long list of failures by Chairman Baracula Hasslehoff Obamunist. I mean did you all really think that an arugula eating product of the Chicago political machine would get anything accomplished? Our Dear Sarah would have achieved Mid-East peace by now.

Awesome T-Shirt: There is no way this great of an idea can possibly backfire at all.

Well, I don't see the Russians bankrolling the Taliban any time soon.

Wasserspeier: Keep you friends close and your enemies closer.

This worked so well the last time.

Glad to see Leonid get a job.

/dnrtfa

Makes for a good bonding experience. 'Remember that time I tried to blow you up with an IED? Man, good times.'

Generals generally (teehee) swear an oath to a nation, not a religious sect, single leader or political party. To assume that they always must be indoctrinated in the ways of the current leadership is folly.

Peter von Nostrand: Wake up sheeple. Just another in a long list of failures by Chairman Baracula Hasslehoff Obamunist.

Hmmmmm...

"Baracula" is pretty good. Full marks for that one. But your failure lies in the middle name, as David Hasselhof is awesome and drives a talking car.

Hey, they'll be so grateful they'll bend over backwards to help

That soft shuffling you hear is the sound of hundreds of Fark liberal trolls quietly tip-toeing out after running in here to bash Bush, but then remembering this is Obama's "war of necessity".

It worked in Germany after WW2.

If anyone watches the McLaughlin group, this week Mort Zuckerman said that we have to work out some deal with the Taliban and get the fark out of there while we can. He also pointed out the Karzied government is already starting, I guess this is part of that.

/Mort is the man
/So is Pat
/Kick Elenore and Monica off the show please

Isn't this sort of thing rather common? What's the perception of the lower "troops", when their general flips to the other side? Who else are you going to get to be a general of troops, if not a general of troops? Does this mean the Taliban is falling apart? Kinda hard to operate, if senior leadership is jumping ship.

/so many questions
//not an expert

Son of Thunder

Peter von Nostrand: Wake up sheeple. Just another in a long list of failures by Chairman Baracula Hasslehoff Obamunist.

Hmmmmm...

"Baracula" is pretty good. Full marks for that one. But your failure lies in the middle name, as David Hasselhof is awesome and drives a talking car.


I could be wrong, but it looks like Peter was going for sheer over-the-top absurdity to highlight the ludicrousness of the people who normally make that sort of argument.

Yakk: If anyone watches the McLaughlin group, this week Mort Zuckerman said that we have to work out some deal with the Taliban and get the fark out of there while we can. He also pointed out the Karzied government is already starting, I guess this is part of that.

/Mort is the man
/So is Pat
/Kick Elenore and Monica off the show please

Who is this "Karzeid" person?

Does President Karzai know about this threat to his leadership?

Long Haired FM Type: That soft shuffling you hear is the sound of hundreds of Fark liberal trolls quietly tip-toeing out after running in here to bash Bush, but then remembering this is Obama's "war of necessity".

No, Bush got rid of all the Bathists in Iraq and disbanded the military and they helped fuel the insurgence. He did the OPPOSITE of these and that's why we are still fighting his dumbass war!

Heh. Afghan warlords have a long history of switching sides and bringing all their men with them at the drop of a hat, sometimes literally during a battle, and often as a means of resolving a battle. Enemies become comrades one day, then become enemies the next, and may switch sides so many times over the course of their "careers" as soldiers that there's practically no way to keep track of whose side they're on. So if you think you're going to roll into Afghanistan and assemble a standing military force comprised only of "the good guys," you truly have no idea what you're doing.

If the guy is a winner, he's a winner...

Just make sure your checks are large and don't bounce...

Well it is better than then starting a resistance.

In before some clueless idiot says Reagan created the Taliban, ignoring the fact that the US was backing Ahmad Shah Massoud's Jamiat Islami, which later was incorporated into the Northern Alliance, rather than Hezbollah Islami fation funded by the Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabia, which later formed the nucleus of the Taliban?

Because of course it's so much easier to claim that "mujahideen = Taliban" rather than doing the hard work of actually reading up on the various factions involved in fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Ozaru: It worked in Germany after WW2.

I am shivering since it was rather cold of you to leave out the Nips

Corvus: Long Haired FM Type: That soft shuffling you hear is the sound of hundreds of Fark liberal trolls quietly tip-toeing out after running in here to bash Bush, but then remembering this is Obama's "war of necessity".

No, Bush got rid of all the Bathists in Iraq and disbanded the military and they helped fuel the insurgence. He did the OPPOSITE of these and that's why we are still fighting his dumbass war!

That's Obama's "dumbass" war of necessity, citizen. Listen to Our Leader when he speaks from now on or some may question your Revolutionary Spirit.

Corvus: Long Haired FM Type: That soft shuffling you hear is the sound of hundreds of Fark liberal trolls quietly tip-toeing out after running in here to bash Bush, but then remembering this is Obama's "war of necessity".

No, Bush got rid of all the Bathists in Iraq and disbanded the military and they helped fuel the insurgence. He did the OPPOSITE of these and that's why we are still fighting his dumbass war!

There's always one. Even on a tangent... it was a senseless attack.

I don't see why this is a huge deal. When we were rebuilding the German army in 1955, we used a ton of former Nazis in the command structure, even some who had been accused of war crimes (I think). Significant numbers of GDR commanders were brought into the Bundeswehr after reunification in 1990.

Ok..."cool story bro"-time.

Back in the late 80's one of the Taliban commanders loved to reward bravery among his men by dispensing the rank of General rather freely. One day he decided that his Generals needed a little more, so he declared that they should all be given limousines.

This didn't work out so well, as there were more generals in his cohort than there were limousines in Afghanistan. He then downgraded his promise to automobiles. This also failed to work out, for similar reasons - he had dozens and dozens of Generals, and there simply weren't that many cars on the market in his region. (Not a lot of car dealerships in Afghanistan during the Russian occupation).

Finally he settled on a reasonable substitute - Every one of his generals got a bicycle with a bell.

Corvus: Long Haired FM Type: That soft shuffling you hear is the sound of hundreds of Fark liberal trolls quietly tip-toeing out after running in here to bash Bush, but then remembering this is Obama's "war of necessity".

No, Bush got rid of all the Bathists in Iraq and disbanded the military and they helped fuel the insurgence. He did the OPPOSITE of these and that's why we are still fighting his dumbass war!

I was trying to figure out a good way to point this out, with historical references and facts...

Then I remembered this is Fark and you seemed to do a better job with the point.

FTA: "Turning it into a serious fighting force is a priority for the Obama administration".

Yes, I can see that objective being met, although not quite as they originally anticipated.

"Armies" like these are relatively easy to control. Pay them, feed them, and they will fight for you. Stop paying them, stop feeding them, and you've got a problem on your hands.

We can pay these guys more than they're getting now, feed them better than they're getting now, clothe them, house them, and fighting is all they know. Better they do the only thing they know how to do for us than against us.

I don't know why, but I read the head line as "experienced genitals".


/thought they were talking about me...
//not really

Englebert Slaptyback: I could be wrong

You're not.

George Washington fought for the British as a Brigadier General. What's your point?

I am what most Farkers would call a liberal, and even I will admit that it's OBAMA'S WAR NOW. Bush was the asshole who started it to take care of his oil pals, but Obama is making these stupid wars the focus of all of what's left of our country's resources at a time when we can't afford this kind of corporate goonsquadery. Obama is a neocon wolf in sheep's clothing.

Glad that a lesson was learned in Iraq. There, we fired all the members of Saddam's army and tried to build a new one from scratch without any Baath party members, meaning they had totally inexperienced leaders and the leaders with experience were left to lead insurgents.

Coltaine?

Dil Doe: Heh. Afghan warlords have a long history of switching sides and bringing all their men with them at the drop of a hat, sometimes literally during a battle, and often as a means of resolving a battle. Enemies become comrades one day, then become enemies the next, and may switch sides so many times over the course of their "careers" as soldiers that there's practically no way to keep track of whose side they're on. So if you think you're going to roll into Afghanistan and assemble a standing military force comprised only of "the good guys," you truly have no idea what you're doing.

I came here to say this and found it had already been said.

GurneyHalleck: I am what most Farkers would call a liberal, and even I will admit that it's OBAMA'S WAR NOW. Bush was the asshole who started it to take care of his oil pals, but Obama is making these stupid wars the focus of all of what's left of our country's resources at a time when we can't afford this kind of corporate goonsquadery. Obama is a neocon wolf in sheep's clothing.

You sound "concerned". GTFO filthy reich wing freeper dirtbag. You may have once been a progressive, but what you are now is repugnant. You're a fascist neocon rethuglican chicken-hawk, and it's blatantly obvious. Go back to reading the American Stinker and watching Faux News you farking retard.

This place is for intelligent, independent thinkers ONLY.

Long Haired FM Type: You sound "concerned". GTFO filthy reich wing freeper dirtbag. You may have once been a progressive, but what you are now is repugnant. You're a fascist neocon rethuglican chicken-hawk, and it's blatantly obvious. Go back to reading the American Stinker and watching Faux News you farking retard.

This place is for intelligent, independent thinkers ONLY.

Wow...good to get that off your chest?

Darkrover2: Long Haired FM Type: You sound "concerned". GTFO filthy reich wing freeper dirtbag. You may have once been a progressive, but what you are now is repugnant. You're a fascist neocon rethuglican chicken-hawk, and it's blatantly obvious. Go back to reading the American Stinker and watching Faux News you farking retard.

This place is for intelligent, independent thinkers ONLY.

Wow...good to get that off your chest?

Sometimes it's hard to be that serious and direct, but it's exactly what those crazy reich wingers need.

So did my great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather in the American Revolution, but they gave him a bunch of land afterwords anywhow.

RevCarter: Ok..."cool story bro"-time.

Back in the late 80's one of the Taliban commanders loved to reward bravery among his men by dispensing the rank of General rather freely. One day he decided that his Generals needed a little more, so he declared that they should all be given limousines.

This didn't work out so well, as there were more generals in his cohort than there were limousines in Afghanistan. He then downgraded his promise to automobiles. This also failed to work out, for similar reasons - he had dozens and dozens of Generals, and there simply weren't that many cars on the market in his region. (Not a lot of car dealerships in Afghanistan during the Russian occupation).

Finally he settled on a reasonable substitute - Every one of his generals got a bicycle with a bell.

Now that's a tale of overcoming adversity....but not stupidity...

What?
This is how it has always been done.

But this time, it will come out differently!

medicine time