Harris claimed he first learned in 2007 that his Jupiter home address was showing up in the results of Google searches for anyone seeking information about local rare coin dealers.

He alerted Google in writing, and his home address was removed, he noted in court papers. But in November 2009, he realized Google was again listing his home address as the site for his rare coin business, prompting him to write four more letters. And a letter from attorney Mitchell Sens threatened legal action.

How exactly was Google getting this address?

I also like the "and conveniently provided a map" claim. Yes, all mapping software finds addresses.

...and just in case the map didn't do the trick, he himself has conveniently brought lots and lots of attention to something that was previously deep under the radar.

Dumbass.

Good headline, subby. Alas, we lighters are forbidden from giving you points, so +0 is all you get.

I'm wondering if this guy is an idiot who registered his web-page to his home address instead of his business one.

"Criminals who are willing to engage in burglary or home invasion may assume that the owner of a rare coin business keeps valuables or a safe at home," Sens wrote to Google Nov. 9. "You have provided a convenient map. The only thing missing is a link to safe-cracking tools and firearms."

which can just be googled.

Call it, Friend-O.

Wait till he sees what is listed on Goojji.

I had no idea Google input those search results themselves. They must have some very fast typists.

This happened to me once-with a school (work) related matter. A idiot admin-type posted my home address and those of my staff-we were providing off site training to medical students-I was also being stalked at the time. They thought that it would just be more convenient to post it to the Intranet for the school, rather than give them hard copy as they'd promised, not understanding that it went to the Web as well. I had to threaten to sue the dept to get them to contact Yahoo to remove it. They did-in 24 hours. But it took some serious chain-yanking to get it done. This was at a Top Ten University. So this can provide hours and hours of fun. But yea, he probably did this to himself.

/picture of dealer in question

Megain: heh

Looks like Topix.com gave Google the address...

Google is a small mom and pop operation, they can't afford to fight this in court, they'll settle.

Harris claimed he first learned in 2007 that his Jupiter home address was showing up in the results of Google searches

Hmm, there's got to be a joke in there somewhere...

Gee Smitty, I didn't know that Google SNAFU's were limited to Florida.

Well you farking moron, google didn't get the address all by themselves, your dumb ass put it on the internet somewhere.

imgod2u: I think this could be the start of a new Google Stories commercial.

> rare coin dealers
>> maps search
> ADT alarm systems
> police response times for Jupiter, FL
> how do i open an EverLok safe
> morally dubious locksmiths
>> business search
> criminal lawyers near Jupiter, FL

This guy thinks he's waaay more important than he actually is. He's flattering himself if he thinks somebody will waste their time dealing with his pathetic little stamp coin collection.

Having had a city council try to fine me for doing business out of my home based on a similar mistake on Google's part, I kind of feel this guy's pain.

I totally recognize that Google is just aggregating address information in and out of various databases, but they present (and I think people generally perceive) information provided by various Google services like Maps as being accurate. Google Maps in particular requires that you drill down all the way into their Terms of Service before you find any sort of disclaimer about the accuracy of address information provided.

I think folks cut Google a lot of slack because they're Google. While the initial mistake is something that could be easily forgiven, this guy's complaint is that they haven't fixed the issue even though he's been trying to get incorrect personal information out of their database for over three years. I think he has a legitimate complaint.

In case anyone else was wondering: (new window)

INTERTRON: This guy thinks he's waaay more important than he actually is. He's flattering himself if he thinks somebody will waste their time dealing with his pathetic little stamp coin collection.

You do know there's an order of magnitude between having a rare coin collection and having a rare coin business, right?

blazemongr: In case anyone else was wondering: (new window)

Big house, lot, pool...he appears to be doing well for himself. Plus, his house is nice and isolated.

Anyone else down to sneak through the park, raid his riches and run?

blazemongr: there's an order of magnitude between having a rare coin collection and having a rare coin business

An order of magnitude more what? Dangerous? Lucrative? Boring? Finish your sentence.

ReverendJasen: Well you farking moron, google didn't get the address all by themselves, your dumb ass put it on the internet somewhere.

THIS

Wasted Pixels: Having had a city council try to fine me for doing business out of my home based on a similar mistake on Google's part, I kind of feel this guy's pain.

I totally recognize that Google is just aggregating address information in and out of various databases, but they present (and I think people generally perceive) information provided by various Google services like Maps as being accurate. Google Maps in particular requires that you drill down all the way into their Terms of Service before you find any sort of disclaimer about the accuracy of address information provided.

I think folks cut Google a lot of slack because they're Google. While the initial mistake is something that could be easily forgiven, this guy's complaint is that they haven't fixed the issue even though he's been trying to get incorrect personal information out of their database for over three years. I think he has a legitimate complaint.

It's not Google's fault that people have a perception problem. I don't see how it's Google's fault that a bunch of lowly city council members think the information on Google is Gods honest truth. Like others have said Google is getting this information form somewhere, this schmuck probably registered his business webpage to his home address.

I find this happens quite a lot. I've encountered several 'Google maps directions' to a business, that end instead in a subdivision. I really don't know what the problem is.

And they're always businesses that are :claimed: by the owner, so I cannot move the marker for it, which is astonishingly bizarre, as that was the exact problem claiming businesses were supposed to solve. In fact, it is so bad that I won't trust claimed addresses anymore, as the unverified addresses are more accurate (?)

If there are any Google techies reading this, this is something that needs to be corrected in an otherwise excellent program.

INTERTRON: blazemongr: there's an order of magnitude between having a rare coin collection and having a rare coin business

An order of magnitude more what? Dangerous? Lucrative? Boring?

Profitable.

blazemongr: INTERTRON: blazemongr: there's an order of magnitude between having a rare coin collection and having a rare coin business

An order of magnitude more what? Dangerous? Lucrative? Boring?

Profitable.

In that case, I think you are wrong. Somebody who sells coins has a business, and makes money, whereas somebody who does not have a business does not sell coins.

Thus, the profit from a coin collection is 0, and the profit from a coin business is greater than zero.

So your assertion that a coin business is 10 times more profitable than a coin collection is incorrect, it is actually much more profitable.

By the way, did you have a point, or were you just quoting me to agree with me?

Hm, hadn't thought about that, until his problem REACHED THE NEWSPAPER. Way to circulate. Eejit.

maxximillian: It's not Google's fault that people have a perception problem.

It is Google's fault that they failed to correct mistakes in somebody's personal information which they're making publicly and freely available.

Dwight_Yeast: ReverendJasen: Well you farking moron, google didn't get the address all by themselves, your dumb ass put it on the internet somewhere.

THIS

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You're totally wrong. Google Maps gets most (99%) of its address data through verified public directories, with the rest being manually submitted by businesses themselves. What almost certainly happened here is Google's fuzzy name compare software decided "Jon Harris" and "Jon Harris Rare Coins" in Florida were the same entity and assigned the address of one to the other. Google's mistake, no fault of his.

No self-respecting personal information database would ever use something like domain records as a source of information. Yellow pages are a good source of data because they're manually verified, domain records aren't verified in any meaningful way.

Because that "Edit" button in Google Maps is so hard to use.

Wasted Pixels: maxximillian: It's not Google's fault that people have a perception problem.

It is Google's fault that they failed to correct mistakes in somebody's personal information which they're making publicly and freely available.

Dwight_Yeast: ReverendJasen: Well you farking moron, google didn't get the address all by themselves, your dumb ass put it on the internet somewhere.

THIS

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You're totally wrong. Google Maps gets most (99%) of its address data through verified public directories, with the rest being manually submitted by businesses themselves. What almost certainly happened here is Google's fuzzy name compare software decided "Jon Harris" and "Jon Harris Rare Coins" in Florida were the same entity and assigned the address of one to the other. Google's mistake, no fault of his.

No self-respecting personal information database would ever use something like domain records as a source of information. Yellow pages are a good source of data because they're manually verified, domain records aren't verified in any meaningful way.

So what you're saying is this moron decided to put his full name in the store name, and then put his full name in a public address directory, and expected that nobody would connect the dots?

what a Jupiter Man might look like

INTERTRON: This guy thinks he's waaay more important than he actually is. He's flattering himself if he thinks somebody will waste their time dealing with his pathetic little stamp coin collection.

I know someone who deals in ancient Roman and Greek coins just last week I held a gold coin from olympic games in the BC's the guy has millions in old coins at in his home but he buys and sells them from a different location & is very secretive/protective about where he lives.

Phoenix_M: INTERTRON: This guy thinks he's waaay more important than he actually is. He's flattering himself if he thinks somebody will waste their time dealing with his pathetic little stamp coin collection.

I know someone who deals in ancient Roman and Greek coins just last week I held a gold coin from olympic games in the BC's the guy has millions in old coins at in his home but he buys and sells them from a different location & is very secretive/protective about where he lives.

No shiat Sherlock. Being a used/rare/oop/antiquarian book dealer I do exactly the same thing. My home address appears NOWHERE - not even with the DMV. Everything has a PMB UPS store address - and THEY have another PMB as the secondary address. And, yes, I keep some exceptionally valuable books at home instead of the warehouse.

Why would he keep rare coins in his house? Keep 'em at the business.

INTERTRON: This guy thinks he's waaay more important than he actually is. He's flattering himself if he thinks somebody will waste their time dealing with his pathetic little stamp coin collection.

Are you kidding? Our coin collection is worth $60k and only one of those is "rare". And we don't even have a lot of coins.

bookman: And, yes, I keep some exceptionally valuable books at home instead of the warehouse.


WHY?

MMMMMMMMMMMM COINNNNN!

Wasted Pixels: Dwight_Yeast: ReverendJasen: Well you farking moron, google didn't get the address all by themselves, your dumb ass put it on the internet somewhere.

THIS

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You're totally wrong. Google Maps gets most (99%) of its address data through verified public directories

Which are on the internet.

So, not so wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong eh?

impaler: Wasted Pixels: Dwight_Yeast: ReverendJasen: Well you farking moron, google didn't get the address all by themselves, your dumb ass put it on the internet somewhere.

THIS

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You're totally wrong. Google Maps gets most (99%) of its address data through verified public directories

Which are on the internet.

So, not so wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong eh?

Let me make sure I got this right.

You're saying that having his personal address and his business address listed separately in the phone book (probably not even the same phone book, as this guy's business was in a different town) is the exact same thing as him having personally hopped online and listed his house as his place of business somewhere?

You don't see a distinction at all?

Really?

Wasted Pixels: probably not even the same phone book, as this guy's business was in a different town

What do you mean, "same phone book"? They're all the same: www.yellowpages.com

INTERTRON: Wasted Pixels: probably not even the same phone book, as this guy's business was in a different town

What do you mean, "same phone book"? They're all the same: www.yellowpages.com

I was referring to the physical phone book. Different towns have different versions of the phone book. Crazy, I know. It doesn't matter if he's listed in the online book, becaaaaause...

INTERTRON: So what you're saying is this moron decided to put his full name in the store name, and then put his full name in a public address directory, and expected that nobody would connect the dots?

...his place of business is three towns and 40 minutes from his house, and there are roughly 30 people named John Harris in the region (I checked with that handy yellowpages.com thing you just linked). Were it not for Google connecting his home address to his business, yeah, nobody probably would have connected the dots.

Sim Tree: If there are any Google techies reading this, this is something that needs to be corrected in an otherwise excellent program.

Otherwise excellent? They use third rate mapping data, and try to get the 'crowd' to fix it themselves. I've seen missing HOSPITALS on Google Maps. Not to mention roads ending where they shouldn't, not handling complex addresses, zooming out to the whole farking world because they put the slider right next to the zoom - and +, printing is farked up, directions are often bizzare, et cetera. Seriously, you type in something perfectly simple that any tard in a major city would understand, and it finds some bullshiat street in some shiat town in bumfark kansaz.

hailin: INTERTRON: This guy thinks he's waaay more important than he actually is. He's flattering himself if he thinks somebody will waste their time dealing with his pathetic little stamp coin collection.

Are you kidding? Our coin collection is worth $60k and only one of those is "rare". And we don't even have a lot of coins.

So where do YOU live?

A Jupiter man ... Jonathan Harris

"Oh, the pain, the pain! Google, you overgrown collection of circuits and gears, you'll kill us all!"

Wasted Pixels: ...his place of business is three towns and 40 minutes from his house, and there are roughly 30 people named John Harris in the region (I checked with that handy yellowpages.com thing you just linked). Were it not for Google connecting his home address to his business, yeah, nobody probably would have connected the dots.

If it were so difficult, how did Google make the distinction?

Sim Tree: I find this happens quite a lot. I've encountered several 'Google maps directions' to a business, that end instead in a subdivision. I really don't know what the problem is.

Did you try talking to the shady looking guy on the corner of the subdivision?