President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments.

This is the nation that the anti-vax people and homeopathy dumbasses want us to be.

That's what the Spartans did.

Better than letting the hyenas get AIDS.

/Won't somebody think of the hyenas?

Socialists.

Yeah, English Colonization made them this farked up and retarded...right? Not the whole tribal voodoo culture that existed before?

Cagey B: President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments.

This is the nation that the anti-vax people and homeopathy dumbasses want us to be.

In their defense, 10 years of garlic are cheaper than 50 years of AZT.

In some ways, Zuma is an unlikely AIDS hero. In 2006, while being tried on charges of raping an HIV-positive family friend, he was ridiculed for testifying that he took a shower after sex to lower the risk of AIDS.

*assorted [facepalm.jpg]s*

They should have virgin albinos rape the babies. That will cure them, right?

Imagine a country rich enough where the decision is automatic.

Is South Africa a country like that?

Cagey B 2009-12-01 11:08:21 AM President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments. This is the nation that the anti-vax people
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There's a BIG difference between not giving a vaccine for something that kills .01% of the population that gets it and not giving treatment for something that kills 100% of everyone who doesn't get treatment.

Even if the treatment kills 20% of the people, it's still an 80% improvement from 0.

Nuuu: Cagey B: President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments.

This is the nation that the anti-vax people and homeopathy dumbasses want us to be.

In their defense, 10 years of garlic are cheaper than 50 years of AZT.

Sounds a bit liberal on the garlic.
I find it best to just give one whopping dose at the start and leave it at that. Works just as well in the long run.

The dingo population there is pretty low, so yeah, hyenas.

President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments. One Harvard study said that resulted in more than 300,000 premature deaths.

Seriously? Garlic...what were they treating, an Italian yeast infection?

/hot like a hyena's belly.

Well, it is cheaper.

You know what would cure AIDS in Africa? Nuclear bombs.

Transfuse them with Magic Johnson's blood imo?

Ya wanna get rid of AIDS? Tossing them to the hyenas would help quite a bit.

AIDs can be eliminated by preventing spread. No reproduction in HIV positive couples. An HIV positive person having unprotected sex with somebody not infected is a felony, if the other person knows and consents or not. It would die off in about 60 years.

Eugenics? Yes it is. And that's a farking good thing in this case.

gee south africa used to be an economic powerhouse and a decent place to be.

wonder what happened.

/thats_racist.gif

jake3988: Cagey B 2009-12-01 11:08:21 AM President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments. This is the nation that the anti-vax people
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There's a BIG difference between not giving a vaccine for something that kills .01% of the population that gets it and not giving treatment for something that kills 100% of everyone who doesn't get treatment.

Even if the treatment kills 20% of the people, it's still an 80% improvement from 0.

It's only a difference in statistics, not a difference in principle. It is still people dismissing proven science in favor of faith-based homespun remedies. Though the closer analogy then might be people who eschew cancer therapies in favor of folk remedies.

Well I'm positive that will work. In fact I'm HIV positive.

IonBeam2: You know what would cure AIDS in Africa? Nuclear bombs.

I bet you're fun at parties. Sheesh.

Sir Charles: gee south africa used to be an economic powerhouse and a decent place to be for the white minority who ruled it with an iron fist.

wonder what happened.

You are all missing the point entirely! The dude has a daughter named "Tshegofatso"

Nuff said.

Upset he lost a free food source.

/These things don't post themselves, you know.

jake3988: Cagey B 2009-12-01 11:08:21 AM President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments. This is the nation that the anti-vax people
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There's a BIG difference between not giving a vaccine for something that kills .01% of the population that gets it and not giving treatment for something that kills 100% of everyone who doesn't get treatment.

Even if the treatment kills 20% of the people, it's still an 80% improvement from 0.


According to teh google, in the 1952 outbreak of polio in the US, you had a 5% chance of death and a 45% chance of some sort of paralysis. Thanks to that inoculation drive, I was born into a world where, unless I was Amish (they didn't inoculate, and had subsequent outbreaks), I have as close to zero chance as you can get of catching that bug.

Yay for the March of Dimes!

FishStampede: Upset he lost a free food source.

i see at least 1 chickenz in the background.

In 2006, while being tried on charges of raping an HIV-positive family friend, he was ridiculed for testifying that he took a shower after sex to lower the risk of AIDS.

That's...that's just...holy farking shiat. So much is wrong with that sentence, I don't even know where to start.

Zuma, a one-time chairman of the country's national AIDS council, may never live down the shower comment.

As opposed to the fact that the president of the country (allegedly) farking raped someone. Hey, you know, sometimes you gotta rape. Just be sure you practice safe rape.

/rape

Sir Charles: gee south africa used to be an economic powerhouse and a decent place to be.

wonder what happened.

/thats_racist.gif

They threw out their illegal immigrants.

cptjeff: AIDs can be eliminated by preventing spread. No reproduction in HIV positive couples. An HIV positive person having unprotected sex with somebody not infected is a felony, if the other person knows and consents or not. It would die off in about 60 years.

Thank goodness all AIDS patients have a glowing neon sign over their heads that says OMG AIDS OMG AIDS OMG AIDS. I mean, if AIDS patients could simply ignore or conceal their disease, your plan would be totally unworkable. Thank goodness that isn't the case.

jake3988: Cagey B 2009-12-01 11:08:21 AM President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments. This is the nation that the anti-vax people
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There's a BIG difference between not giving a vaccine for something that kills .01% of the population that gets it and not giving treatment for something that kills 100% of everyone who doesn't get treatment.

Even if the treatment kills 20% of the people, it's still an 80% improvement from 0.

The only difference is a matter of scale.

See Africa, this is what you get for banging monkeys. You need to bang sheep like the rest of the world. We've been banging sheep for thousands of years and haven't had any problems. You never heard of no green sheep giving people aids. There ain't no sheep flu. You're going to the top of the shiat list Africa. You're going right past the Mexican guy that banged a pig. We're putting you right above the Asian chicken farkers.

Happy AIDS Day everyone!

/It's also Eat a Red Apple Day. Have an apple and think about AIDS, won't you?

As opposed to the American policy of denying them health care because of their pre-existing condition.

Ashelth: The only difference is a matter of scale.

The scale has slid to the "more people live" side, so that is ok.

shower time. (new window)

Sir Charles: FishStampede: Upset he lost a free food source.

i see at least 1 chickenz in the background.

But man you ever try to catch a south african chicken? Just look at that badass and even he doesn't fark with them. Babies are much better, and still tender enough for the hyena cubs.

deadsanta: jake3988: Cagey B 2009-12-01 11:08:21 AM President Jacob Zuma's speech on World AIDS Day was viewed as a definitive turning point for a nation where the previous administration distrusted drugs developed to keep AIDS patients alive and instead promoted garlic treatments. This is the nation that the anti-vax people
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There's a BIG difference between not giving a vaccine for something that kills .01% of the population that gets it and not giving treatment for something that kills 100% of everyone who doesn't get treatment.

Even if the treatment kills 20% of the people, it's still an 80% improvement from 0.


According to teh google, in the 1952 outbreak of polio in the US, you had a 5% chance of death and a 45% chance of some sort of paralysis. Thanks to that inoculation drive, I was born into a world where, unless I was Amish (they didn't inoculate, and had subsequent outbreaks), I have as close to zero chance as you can get of catching that bug.

Yay for the March of Dimes!

Jenny McCarthy and her helicopter groupies are ready to push those odds up again.

I think the real lesson here is to not fark and South African prostitutes.

cptjeff: Ya wanna get rid of AIDS? Tossing them to the hyenas would help quite a bit.

AIDs can be eliminated by preventing spread. No reproduction in HIV positive couples. An HIV positive person having unprotected sex with somebody not infected is a felony, if the other person knows and consents or not. It would die off in about 60 years.

Eugenics? Yes it is. And that's a farking good thing in this case.

HIV person having unprotected sex with someone not infected already can be (and has been) prosecuted in many jurisdictions. Attempted murder. Murder if they actually die from it.

Most mother-to-child comes from blood swap during birth. It's really not my area of expertise, but apparently it's during the moments of childbirth that AIDS gets transmitted, not during the other 99.99% of the pregnancy. It sounds rediculous, I know, but it's actually true. Giving birth via cesarian section cuts that risk to nearly zero.

HIV is unlikely to break thru the barrier of the placenta, though a baby will automatically retain the antibodies of their mom for a few years before discarding the ones it doesn't need. Antibodies is what defines someone either hiv+ or -.

I'd hope the doctors don't put these babies on the very toxic meds until a few years pass when one can more clearly determine if that child is actually infected or not.

In other words, the baby will test hiv+ for a few years even if he's not infected.

T.rex: HIV is unlikely to break thru the barrier of the placenta, though a baby will automatically retain the antibodies of their mom for a few years before discarding the ones it doesn't need. Antibodies is what defines someone either hiv+ or -.

I'd hope the doctors don't put these babies on the very toxic meds until a few years pass when one can more clearly determine if that child is actually infected or not.

In other words, the baby will test hiv+ for a few years even if he's not infected.

I've never understood how HIV passes during child-birth. I understand that the mom's bleeding quite a bit and whatever. But does the baby bleed such that there is transfer of body fluids. I'm only asking because you seem to know more about the specifics than I do.

peterquince
You are correct to say that it is the actual birth process (not pregnancy) with presents the danger of transmission to the child, and that c-section is recommended. The mom should not breast feed, and the baby will have an excellent chance of not getting the virus.

atomicmask: Yeah, English Colonization made them this farked up and retarded...right? Not the whole tribal voodoo culture that existed before?

The English weren't the only ones to colonize South Africa and the tribal culture is still alive and well in places. But don't act like bullheaded stupidity is exclusive to South Africa.

cptjeff: Ya wanna get rid of AIDS? Tossing them to the hyenas would help quite a bit.

AIDs can be eliminated by preventing spread. No reproduction in HIV positive couples. An HIV positive person having unprotected sex with somebody not infected is a felony, if the other person knows and consents or not. It would die off in about 60 years.

Eugenics? Yes it is. And that's a farking good thing in this case.

Actually it's not. Eugenics is the practice of eliminating "diseased" genes. What you are talking about is simply and extreme form of Quarantine. Quarantines for things like typhoid of other airborne diseases of the past made it OK to lock the infected up to prevent them from spreading the disease, preventing HIV infected people from having sex with non HIV infected people is the same principle.

//not advocating this, just clarifying terms

I always have a positive attitude.

T.rex:
I'd hope the doctors don't put these babies on the very toxic meds until a few years pass when one can more clearly determine if that child is actually infected or not.


Treatment is only given once the CD4 count drops below 200 is South Africa so regardless of the baby's status, they have a few years. HIV positive mothers are normally given short term ART preceding childbirth which greatly reduces mother to child transmission (the ARVs greatly reduce the viral load in the mother which in turn greatly reduces the chance of passing the virus to the baby at birth).
Now if only everyone stopped having babies at 15 while having simultaneous partners the virus might slow down.

/health volunteer in rural South Africa so i'm getting a kick out of the replies.
//40% of the population around me is estimated to be positive
///slashies

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