Alcohol and weed don't mix.

That's cool, but who can afford it?

make me some tea: Alcohol and weed don't mix.

Ummmm.... yeah.

Doesn't weed make you kinda thirsty, though?

I think that would totally work for ... ummm... cool, maple donuts

Willie Nelson claims that pot saved his life by getting him away from drinking so much.

That's some mighty fine research work there, Lou.

My dad had a bad drinking problem for years because he couldn't smoke pot due to work UA tests (he never really drank until they cracked down on the UA's and he had to quit smoking). After he retired, went back to smoking pot and quit drinking. I'm all for him smoking if it keeps him away from the alcohol.

I hear it's good for quitting cigarettes, too.

Kasira: I hear it's good for quitting cigarettes, too.

This one I've never heard.

@CPT

I infer that your father had problems while drinking, otherwise I don't understand what your issue would be if he was a resposible drinker.

make me some tea: Alcohol and weed don't mix.

Getting high before drinking, totally cool.

Getting high while drunk? Totally sick.

make me some tea: Alcohol and weed don't mix.

The hell you say. Nothing like using beer to ease your throat.

Funny story about drinking and pot.

My older cousin, Jared, was the first person I ever got high with. So a few years back we were at a party and I had a J in my pocket. So I asked him, for old time's sake, if he wanted to go out back and smoke it. Sure, he says.

He didn't tell me that he was already a dozen beers into his buzz when we smoked.

So we went back to the party and all of a sudden he was nowhere to be found. I shrugged it off.

Well, later that night his younger brother shows up at my house accusing me of poisoning Jared. "WTF did you put in that!?"

I told him the truth, nothing other than weed, and I smoked more of it than he did and it was my bag so I'd know if there was something funky with it.

Apparently Jared had gone home and started puking and fell asleep with his head on the toilet. I found that extremely funny. Younger brother? Not so much.

I still make fun of him for having no idea every chance I get. (It's people like him that keep pot illegal, that have no idea what it does and have never tried it, but it's the debbil because it's illegal.)

Ender's: Doesn't weed make you kinda thirsty, though?

Yeah but tropical punch Kool Aid is awesome instead of booze.

ksparrothd: Yeah but tropical punch Kool Aid is awesome instead of booze.

Ya, I've never found alcohol to be good to drink while high. But then again, drinking three beers in a night is a big night for me. And doing that twice in a week is unheard of.

benlonghair: Kasira: I hear it's good for quitting cigarettes, too.

This one I've never heard.

I gave up cigarettes in college when I started smoking weed. I never really drank, either. I quit smoking weed when I started exercising more, but started drinking more. I can see it.

/cool story bro

coyote1284: @CPT

I infer that your father had problems while drinking, otherwise I don't understand what your issue would be if he was a resposible drinker.


Seems like CPT straight up said his dad had a drinking problem. There is nothing to infer. CPT Ethanolic: My dad had a bad drinking problem for years

I drink because I don't have weed...does that count?

Kasira: I hear it's good for quitting cigarettes, too.

Yeah, I smoked for 20 years and I used the weed crutch to quit.

This is totally true. The only problem is that a real drinker is always going to prefer the high from alcohol. Nothing can replace that six drink buzz. That said, if someone has the will to put down the bottle, pot can offer some solace and substitution, and it's sooo much safer and healthier.

They'd recommend weed for hangnails in Berkeley.

Feint: I drink because I don't have weed...does that count?

You need more friends.

One time in college I got high as a kite and then puked my guts out because I kept drinking. I don't get high anymore because my body goes bonkers on weeeeed. I'd rather be regular old drunk.

/cool story bro!

Where I come from, we call that trading one addiction for another.

I've cut way back on my drinking and I seem to be smoking more weed. There could be a correlation.

Feint: I drink because I don't have weed...does that count?

You're not alone, Feint.

/just moved, don't really know anybody yet

Perfect for washing down a box of Cheez-Its.

I work with Berkeley scientists, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

Pair-o-Dice: Feint: I drink because I don't have weed...does that count?

You need more friends.

Tell me about it.

"Secondly, the recognition that substitution might be a viable alternative to abstinence for those who can't or won't completely stop using psychoactive substances".

But... but... but... They Can't Do That! We're winning the war! We have the pushers and the growers on the run!! We're cleaning and turning corners!!!


/seems I've heard this somewhere before
//tl;dr it's my body, GTFO

There's a lot of alcoholism and a lot of weed smokers in my family. It always seemed to me that whichever was someone's preferred drug (weed in my sister's case, booze in my uncle's), the other was more or less a crutch to get them through the times when their drug of choice wasn't handy.

I can't help but think this is akin to treating heroin addicts with methadone. You treat heroin addiction with methadone, but then you have the methadone addiction to deal with as a result.

question_dj: make me some tea: Alcohol and weed don't mix.

Getting high before drinking, totally cool.

Getting high while drunk? Totally sick.

I made this mistake in college a number of times.. The final time I smoked while drunk I had no more than a few hits from the bowl, but when I stood up, I had to swim through the air in order to be able to walk. Not a good feeling.

You can smoke and drink, but don't drink and smoke.

/one vice for another has always worked on many levels.
//and at times it hasn't worked.

question_dj: make me some tea: Alcohol and weed don't mix.

Getting high before drinking, totally cool.

Getting high while drunk? Totally sick.

My limited experiences with weed are that it doesn't do much for me unless I'm buzzed off alcohol first. Then, best high ever. Otherwise, meh.

Tali: There's a lot of alcoholism and a lot of weed smokers in my family. It always seemed to me that whichever was someone's preferred drug (weed in my sister's case, booze in my uncle's), the other was more or less a crutch to get them through the times when their drug of choice wasn't handy.

I can't help but think this is akin to treating heroin addicts with methadone. You treat heroin addiction with methadone, but then you have the methadone addiction to deal with as a result.

Except cannabis is non-addictive. Try again.

DigitalCoffee:
//tl;dr it's my body, GTFO

Now here I actually agree with you. I don't smoke up myself, but blah blah employment blah random drug tests blah. I don't really think weed is harmful (or no more so than regular cigarettes, anyway), I'm just not sure replacing 'being habitually drunk and impaired' with 'being habitually stoned and impaired' is a good idea.

I definitely drink too much, but weed really isn't an alternative, although I understand it's not as bad for you. I just hate being high.

Do one, do both, whatever floats your boat.
Just stay away from meth.
Your boat will sink.

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Except cannabis is non-addictive. Try again.

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/marijuana.asp

Overall, it is difficult to say whether or not the drug is physically addictive, but it is known that marijuana use can lead to psychological addiction and social dependence.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Published_Articles/Essence.html

There are some signs of physical dependence or withdrawal in heavy users, and withdrawal has been demonstrated in studies on animals. But what matters much more is that every year more than 100,000 people, most of them adolescents, seek treatment for their inability to control their marijuana use. They suffer from compulsive, uncontrollable marijuana craving, seeking and use. That, makes it addicting, certainly for a large number of people.

Tali: DigitalCoffee:
//tl;dr it's my body, GTFO

Now here I actually agree with you. I don't smoke up myself, but blah blah employment blah random drug tests blah. I don't really think weed is harmful (or no more so than regular cigarettes, anyway), I'm just not sure replacing 'being habitually drunk and impaired' with 'being habitually stoned and impaired' is a good idea.

The difference is when you're drunk, the level of impairment is much much higher. When high I can still function fairly normally, aside from the "wait... what?" and "where's the food?." When drinking though... Not so much.

I would suggest marijuana as a treatment for all drug abuse problems. If you go to rehab, chances are you are going to be put on prescription meds of some kind for physical and/or psychological reasons. From what I've seen, medical MJ could replace a large part of these and have far less side effects. Usually these people are trading one addiction for another.

I know that alcohol is frequently substituted when marijuana is unavailable by many people. That doesn't necessarily mean that marijuana can treat alcoholism, but I can infer that many people would simply smoke marijuana rather than drink if it were available to them. But I'll leave all that up to actual researches to figure out, rather than end up assuming post hoc ergo propter hoc while trying to link things together.

Tali: But what matters much more is that every year more than 100,000 people, most of them adolescents, seek treatment for their inability to control their marijuana use.

How many of those 100,000 were offered treatment as an alternative to jail time?

Satan's Garbageman: The difference is when you're drunk, the level of impairment is much much higher. When high I can still function fairly normally, aside from the "wait... what?" and "where's the food?." When drinking though... Not so much.

It's a matter of perception, I think. I don't know you personally, so I can't judge. In the long run, addictive personality is addictive, and junkies will always find SOMETHING else to get hooked on.

*chuckles* And personally, I'm JUST as uncomfortable in the car with my sister who's so high she can't stop giggling at everything in the world and pay attention to the road as I am with some of my other relations after a twelve-pack.

I like to smoke right after a few beers to just cruise by. Never been a big fan of drinkin after the smoke though. Maybe because I babysit my beers while I'm spacing out.

Tali: psychological addiction

Kind of like, sex, world of warcraft, food.. basically anything enjoyable that people do can become an addiction.

Seriously, what don't Berkeley scientists recommend weed for?

Tali: There's a lot of alcoholism and a lot of weed smokers in my family. It always seemed to me that whichever was someone's preferred drug (weed in my sister's case, booze in my uncle's), the other was more or less a crutch to get them through the times when their drug of choice wasn't handy.

I can't help but think this is akin to treating heroin addicts with methadone. You treat heroin addiction with methadone, but then you have the methadone addiction to deal with as a result.

No one would be too far off the mark in saying this. The only difference is that heroin and methadone are both physically addictive substances. Alcohol can be physically addictive, but marijuana is not considered to be physically addictive, even if it can be psychologically addictive (much more so with people that have addictive personalities).

boobsrgood: This is totally true. The only problem is that a real drinker is always going to prefer the high from alcohol. Nothing can replace that six drink buzz. That said, if someone has the will to put down the bottle, pot can offer some solace and substitution, and it's sooo much safer and healthier.

I would beg to differ. I have witnessed the benefits of pot helping someone step back from the booze. It really did work.

benlonghair: Kasira: I hear it's good for quitting cigarettes, too.

This one I've never heard.

It is, one semi-friend I know quit smoking that way. Quitting pot is easy if you actually want to quit so moving from tobacco to pot makes sense as a stepping stone to quitting completely.