That's why the government should force people to play the gay-ass version of bowling I was forced to play as a child: candlepin.

My grandma can bowl just damn fine, it can't be that painful.
And the pin-setting thing being "dangerous" is moronic. Humans don't accidentally slip and fall, then roll quickly and frictionless into the pin machine except in cartoons.

Approves.

/What? The guy couldn't bowl room temperature if the fate of the universe depended on it.

Not to mention the high risk of being shot for stepping over the line...

9 pins is still OK though, right?

King Something: /What? The guy couldn't bowl room temperature if the fate of the universe depended on it.

If the fate of the universe depended on it, he is smart enough to order turning the air conditioner all the way up and globalist-liberal enough to insist on using Celsius.

/which might barely save us all
//as long as I don't have to pinch-bowl for him

abb3w: If the fate of the universe depended on it, he is smart enough to order turning the air conditioner all the way up and globalist-liberal enough to insist on using Celsius.

Gee, I hadn't thought of THAT. Let's just hope that things don't get bad enough that we need to rely on his bowling skills before the end of Act 2, Scene 24.

I just spent $0.00 and one second of my time to realize that some assholes just need to be shot and buried in a ditch, no questions asked.

Mark it zero!

In other news, $412,000 USD is now worth $500,000 USD. Economy braces for the worst.

Are you sayin a guy could climb up in there and be mangled, Dude?

STFU HEALTH-AND-SAFETY! YER OUTTA YER ELEMENT!

Oznog: Are you sayin a guy could climb up in there and be mangled, Dude?

STFU HEALTH-AND-SAFETY! YER OUTTA YER ELEMENT!

It took 11 comments for the first "Big Lebowski" ref? You're slipping, Fark.

This is what government-run healthcare is going to do!!!
DEATH PANELS

NEDM: Oznog: Are you sayin a guy could climb up in there and be mangled, Dude?

STFU HEALTH-AND-SAFETY! YER OUTTA YER ELEMENT!

It took 11 comments for the first "Big Lebowski" ref? You're slipping, Fark.

cretinbob: 9 pins is still OK though, right?

Of course not. It interferes with archery practice.

Begoggle: This is what government-run healthcare is going to do!!!
DEATH PANELS

FTA: Instead they have told operators to fit photoelectric beams to lanes so that pin-setting machines will cut off automatically if anyone trespasses.

Is it me or is that not actually a reasonably sensible safety measure? It's not so much kids running up as staff members who have to go up and fetch balls or pins which have stuck. They go up to prod the ball, slip, trigger the pin resetting mechanism, horrible mutilation ensues.

Also, regardless of what the Daily Mail thinks, this does happen (new window)

At least the girl in the picture is cute.

Susie Squire, of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: 'The HSE has overreacted to a one-off tragedy by wasting a fortune of taxpayers' money producing a pointless, naval-gazing report.'
Well, yeah. It's a government agency, right?

The stupid redcoats can shove it where the sun don't shine.

cretinbob: 9 pins is still OK though, right?



Even if it isn't their going to have hard time stopping him!

/R.I.P. Van Winkle

Honestly, isn't this where having a monarchy is supposed to help out? If I were king I'd just step in on matters like this and say "this is just farking stupid, stop it." If the king (or queen) can't bother to make themselves useful in this way then they're just being lazy.

We american's read such things and laugh, but what's sad is the same thing is going on over here and either 1) we don't care yet or 2) we are too stupid to notice.

It's going to KEEP going until we wake up one day say "wtf has happened" and the only way to fix it will be a most likely violent revolution.

Space Dog: Honestly, isn't this where having a monarchy is supposed to help out? If I were king I'd just step in on matters like this and say "this is just farking stupid, stop it." If the king (or queen) can't bother to make themselves useful in this way then they're just being lazy.

The Queen *can* refuse to sign in new laws. However doing this would cause a constitutional crisis that would probably end up robbing her of need for laws to be signed in by her.

Came here for the Flintstones reference, leaving disappointed.

Why people get so worked up over a daily mail article I do not get.
- either the Daily mail is exaggerating/lying or
- they are not, and some safety measures might prevent some death and injury.

Also, I don't see how some added safety would make bowling worse, but it's good for a laugh at the nanny state, right?

It might do you good to check out HSE's web site to see what they do.
Or maybe we should ban OSHA here in the US. Sound like a good idea?

rcain: I just spent $0.00 and one second of my time to realize that some assholes just need to be shot and buried in a ditch

I assume you mean the editorial staff at the Daily Fail for so frequently publishing bullshiat articles for the specific purpose of making you insanely mad.

Sorry, forgot to ask: I may be a bit tired from skipping sleep, but if I am not mistaken tfa does not mention banning bowling, does it?

I bowled a 242 not too long ago.

/flex
//Of course, it was Wii Sports...

abigsmurf: Space Dog: Honestly, isn't this where having a monarchy is supposed to help out? If I were king I'd just step in on matters like this and say "this is just farking stupid, stop it." If the king (or queen) can't bother to make themselves useful in this way then they're just being lazy.

The Queen *can* refuse to sign in new laws. However doing this would cause a constitutional crisis that would probably end up robbing her of need for laws to be signed in by her.

Then your mythical last defense against overreaching laws is just that - a myth.

abigsmurf: FTA: Instead they have told operators to fit photoelectric beams to lanes so that pin-setting machines will cut off automatically if anyone trespasses.

Is it me or is that not actually a reasonably sensible safety measure? It's not so much kids running up as staff members who have to go up and fetch balls or pins which have stuck. They go up to prod the ball, slip, trigger the pin resetting mechanism, horrible mutilation ensues.

Also, regardless of what the Daily Mail thinks, this does happen (new window)


FYFA:"He was in the pit behind the bowling lane, trying to dislodge a pin."

Explain how this would have been prevented by installing photo eyes across the lane?
Your argument is akin to saying cars need airbags because someone jacked up a car and it fell on him.

Whatever happened to the UK?

LOGICAL_PSYCHO: FYFA:"He was in the pit behind the bowling lane, trying to dislodge a pin."

Explain how this would have been prevented by installing photo eyes across the lane?
Your argument is akin to saying cars need airbags because someone jacked up a car and it fell on him.

The article also talks about a worker who was knocked off his feet by the sweeper and caught a heavy blow to the head. A light sensor costs a few quid, it makes sense to put in emergency shut offs anywhere where there's automated heavy machinery that may potentially have people working near it.

This review was commissioned in response to someone being killed by the machinery in a bowling alley in 2008.

Elf & safety? Were these studies done by really small "health and safety experts"? Maybe elves and fairies really can get stuck and injured in the machinery, but my mother never read me that fairytale.

This is not a repeat from 1465.

abigsmurf:

The article also talks about a worker who was knocked off his feet by the sweeper and caught a heavy blow to the head. A light sensor costs a few quid, it makes sense to put in emergency shut offs anywhere where there's automated heavy machinery that may potentially have people working near it.

This review was commissioned in response to someone being killed by the machinery in a bowling alley in 2008.

And again FTFA:"The HSE inquiry was begun after a technician was crushed to death in 2006 in Barking, East London, when a pin-setting machine was mistakenly left plugged in."

Absolutely nothing to do with photo-sensors on a lane.

As for your "heavy blow" to the head, do you mean this guy?

"I actually fell in front of the pins once while someone was bowling and got whacked in the ankle pretty hard. More recently, I wasn't paying attention to the rake while I was running a machine and it swept my legs right out from underneath me, flipping me back and onto the back of my neck and shoulders, then came back to punch me in the top of my head. I seriously didn't know whether to laugh or cry."

I cant help but notice he didn't die.
So in short, your claim that is does happen, is not really rooted in fact. But hey, thanks for playing.

When I worked in a bowling center, we often had to go behind the lanes and into the machine to dislodge a pin or clear a "logjam" on the swing arm. The first two things you were supposed to do was drop the sweeper (the bar that stops another ball from entering the pindeck), then cut power to the machine. I am guessing anyone who was injured by working within the machines didn't do one or both of these steps. Unless we're talking about some Stephen King Mangler bowling pinsetter.

As someone rightly pointed out, there is not one single mention, hint or suggestion that any type of ban was EVER considered. Subby's a farking moron and those who believe it or even more dense. As a half-septic I'm embarassed that so many of them appear to be stupid enough to believe the Daily Mail implicitly.

LOGICAL_PSYCHO: FYFA:"He was in the pit behind the bowling lane, trying to dislodge a pin."

Explain how this would have been prevented by installing photo eyes across the lane?
Your argument is akin to saying cars need airbags because someone jacked up a car and it fell on him.

Obviously no-one would consider walking down the lane to dislodge a pin, would they? So a sensor would indeed turn the machine off if access was sought that way, no?

The Envoy:
Obviously no-one would consider walking down the lane to dislodge a pin, would they? So a sensor would indeed turn the machine off if access was sought that way, no?

Obviously this happens all the time, right?
So there should be one time in the history of bowling that it has, no?
Let me save you the trouble, no is the answer.

LOGICAL_PSYCHO: abigsmurf:
And again FTFA:"The HSE inquiry was begun after a technician was crushed to death in 2006 in Barking, East London, when a pin-setting machine was mistakenly left plugged in."

Absolutely nothing to do with photo-sensors on a lane.

*snip*

I cant help but notice he didn't die.
So in short, your claim that is does happen, is not really rooted in fact. But hey, thanks for playing.

Oh, he didn't die, that's fine then, nothing to worry about, it's clear safety measures are only required if accidents resulted in deaths.

And by the way.

Link (new window)

He was crushed because he was working under the machine and it started (possibly as a result of someone throwing a ball down the lane). It would have been prevented by photo sensors.

They've gone beyond their point of usefulness and into parody.

H&S should be about protecting sane people from hazards that they can neither control nor see (dirty restaurant kitchens, cars with safety design flaws), not protecting farking idiots from themselves.

Good thing I live in Canada. Our 5 pin bowling alleys are way safer than those death traps!

You bowling nerds can correct me if I'm wrong, but my brother used to work in a bowling alley and he said that the pin setting mechanism will cut off if anything gets caught in or obstructs the machinery. That's why alleys have employees available to run behind the lanes to reset the machinery. I remember this because my bro would get pissed off when he had to stop drinking beer and making out with his girl friend in his little nook behind the lanes and go reset the junk.

/What a Don Juan my brother was, so classy. Warm beer, cold pizza, roving hands and the thunder of pins going down. How romantic. He is the only guy I ever knew who could combine his job and a date at the same time.

abigsmurf:
Oh, he didn't die, that's fine then, nothing to worry about, it's clear safety measures are only required if accidents resulted in deaths.

And by the way.

Link (new window)

He was crushed because he was working under the machine and it started (possibly as a result of someone throwing a ball down the lane). It would have been prevented by photo sensors.

Ok now you are just being silly.
How do you go from "possibly the result of someone throwing a ball" to "it would have been prevented by photo sensors.
You really are not very good at this are you?

I would suggest that the tech turning off the machine by cutting power before working on it, "would" have prevented it".
You can twist it however you would like, but forcing regulations and increased costs onto businesses to prevent something that has never happened and from all accounts is not very likely, is asinine.
Shouldn't you be getting ready for your "Think of the children" meeting?

Psycho, clearly, logical? No. Nothing better to do with your day than worry about a small and inoffensive sensor being put on bowling alley lanes?

Indolent: At least the girl in the picture is cute.

Seriously??

LOGICAL_PSYCHO: The Envoy:
Obviously no-one would consider walking down the lane to dislodge a pin, would they? So a sensor would indeed turn the machine off if access was sought that way, no?

Obviously this happens all the time, right?
So there should be one time in the history of bowling that it has, no?
Let me save you the trouble, no is the answer.

Please enlighten me as to how the gent in Barking gained access to the machine which crushed him. Failing that, how about the athletics coach in Spokane? What's that? Neither story documents the method of access? So you're assuming they accessed the machines from the back and not down the lane.

Why exactly are you arguing about a sensor that costs a few quid anyway? People are stupid and if it costs a couple of pounds to indemnify the alley against litigation in the event of an accident then again, I don't see a problem. Furthermore, you can bet your bottom dollar that now this is in the public domain the insurers will be bumping up their premiums for alleys that don't fit these. It's a stupid state of affairs but the reasoning isn't as specious as you want to think.

Jamieboy: You bowling nerds can correct me if I'm wrong, but my brother used to work in a bowling alley and he said that the pin setting mechanism will cut off if anything gets caught in or obstructs the machinery. That's why alleys have employees available to run behind the lanes to reset the machinery. I remember this because my bro would get pissed off when he had to stop drinking beer and making out with his girl friend in his little nook behind the lanes and go reset the junk.

/What a Don Juan my brother was, so classy. Warm beer, cold pizza, roving hands and the thunder of pins going down. How romantic. He is the only guy I ever knew who could combine his job and a date at the same time.

Have a look at this thread, it explains it well: Link (new window)

A staggering number of Farkers appear to have worked in bowling alleys!

FTFA:

They concluded that it was too easy for children or teenagers to run down lanes and get trapped in machinery that sets up the pins - even though there was no record of any such accident having happened.

Crap. I've seen it happen (or the aftermath of it) with my very own eyes.

I was bowling a league match in Nottingham, England, in the mid-1990's. The centre is on two floors - we were upstairs on lanes 25-48 and Joe Public was downstairs on lanes 1-24. There was a bit of a commotion downstairs and a few minutes later the fire brigade arrived.

Apparently, this moran was out with his mates, juiced up on lager and decided that he could knock the pins over far easier with his body. He fell over 3 or 4 times before he reached the end of the dragged oil, but when he got to the maples again, he had no problem standing up.

Racing forward, shouting 'Geronimo' (or something), he dived into the pin deck. The sweep came down, jammed temporarily and the pin deck stalled. He managed to twist from under the pin deck and the sweep came back to life and trapped him by his throat. The fire brigade cut the sweep away to free him.

The asshat threatened to sue Nottingham Bowl, but eventually was persuaded that it would have been laughed out of court. Nottingham Bowl ended up having to put signs up saying that the pin mechanisms were dangerous and that the lanes were oily. They also switched the foul lights on. That cut the asshat morans' scores by half (the drunks always end up over the foul lines).

Shatner's Bassoon: Psycho, clearly, logical? No. Nothing better to do with your day than worry about a small and inoffensive sensor being put on bowling alley lanes?

Considering the fact that I am going through a similar situation due to a new asinine regulation that will end up costing me around $22,000 to refit my workers trucks with "a small and inoffensive" change, I find this kind of bullshiat a little offensive.
But hey it's just a little change, it won't effect you so who cares, right?