That makes sense. No one wants criminals having access to their children.

Sexxay children belong in public school where they can be educated by a real teacher.

In many schools, "education" is child abuse. Maybe the schools should have to prove that they provide a safe environment, and a viable education, rather than the parents.

How about a test to see if they are qualified?

Do any other group then religious fanatics home school their children?

OK, everybody, let's all point at the UK and laugh.

Daphne: "I see your Nigel and Madeline are now attending public school."
Celeste: "We thought it best they socialised with other children."
Daphne: "The CRB found out you're a thieving whore, then?"
Celeste: "No...just qualified to teach my children."

If the state doesn't have the right to say who can reproduce, then they don't have the right to say how they are raised. I suggest they implement reproduction regulation.

zymosan: Do any other group then religious fanatics home school their children?



Looks like the answer might be yes.

So, you don't need to have a criminal background check to have kids and raise them, but you do need one if you want to teach their school subjects to them yourself? Makes perfect sense.

/no, this post is NOT advocating criminal background checks before reproduction

zymosan: Do any other group then religious fanatics home school their children?

From what I've read not particularly.

penthesilea: Looks like the answer might be yes.

You have a link to that? I would suspect that of that 31% who cite environment, the reason they dislike the environment is because it contradicts what they want to teach their children religious/morally. (ie keeping your kid out of school because of the un-Muslim environment)

Do a background check on everybody...problem solved.

ninjakirby: zymosan: Do any other group then religious fanatics home school their children?

From what I've read not particularly.

penthesilea: Looks like the answer might be yes.

You have a link to that? I would suspect that of that 31% who cite environment, the reason they dislike the environment is because it contradicts what they want to teach their children religious/morally. (ie keeping your kid out of school because of the un-Muslim environment)

It could also be drugs sold openly in the neighborhood, gang problems, Bulling, or a high number of sexual assaults in the student population.


Home Schooling Goes Mainstream

TFA is about England, so of course no one will talk about English schools or English homeschooling, just the American stuff *facepalm*

penthesilea: It could also be drugs sold openly in the neighborhood, gang problems, Bulling, or a high number of sexual assaults in the student population.

I was unaware selling drugs in the open was a pro-Muslim activity.

The only good reasoning for this I can see is that parents who are abusing their kids may also be homeschooling them to prevent interaction with other children and limit the chance of discovery.

It's a stretch, but it's all I can think of.

I like the sound of the Independent Safeguarding Authority. I'm confident that it is perfectly necessary and will never abuse its power. We should have something like this stateside. Y'know, to protect the children.

Should be an IQ test, not a criminal background check.

ninjakirby: penthesilea: It could also be drugs sold openly in the neighborhood, gang problems, Bulling, or a high number of sexual assaults in the student population.

I was unaware selling drugs in the open was a pro-Muslim activity.

Violence and assaults against women are certainly pro-muslim.

Can you tell me why the Brits get defensive when we call their country the Nanny State again?

penthesilea: ninjakirby: zymosan: Do any other group then religious fanatics home school their children?

From what I've read not particularly.

penthesilea: Looks like the answer might be yes.

You have a link to that? I would suspect that of that 31% who cite environment, the reason they dislike the environment is because it contradicts what they want to teach their children religious/morally. (ie keeping your kid out of school because of the un-Muslim environment)

It could also be drugs sold openly in the neighborhood, gang problems, Bulling, or a high number of sexual assaults in the student population.


Home Schooling Goes Mainstream

Could be, but let's face it a 95% of that "school environment" segment are doing it for religious reasons.

As much as the "normal" homeschoolers kick and scream, it's not going to stop the majority of homeschoolers to be religious nutballs.

"to be" should have been "from being"

Heh, Nanny State.

Person: Could be, but let's face it a 95% of that "school environment" segment are doing it for religious reasons.

As much as the "normal" homeschoolers kick and scream, it's not going to stop the majority of homeschoolers to be religious nutballs.

You kinda suck at reading.

Another reason why big government rocks... or something.

Occam's Nailfile: Person: Could be, but let's face it a 95% of that "school environment" segment are doing it for religious reasons.

As much as the "normal" homeschoolers kick and scream, it's not going to stop the majority of homeschoolers to be religious nutballs.

You kinda suck at reading.

Sandy vagina?

Alarmed, fearing for his childhood.

I think the rationale is that if children are being abused at home, then if they attend school teachers and such have an opportunity to discover it. Children who are purely home-schooled may be isolated and thus vulnerable to abusive parents.

Not sure if I agree or not, but there it is.

i knew a girl who was homeschooled, for religious reasons. it showed that she hadn't had a non-evangelical friend until she started public school at age 15. she still said things like "gee willikers." that, and her education wasn't quite so good...
meh. i think homeschooling for religious reasons can be done well, but in her case, it might have caused some problems.

Person: Could be, but let's face it a 95% of that "school environment" segment are doing it for religious reasons.

I doubt it's that high. Maybe 20%. But I dunno, I can't read the citation on the image above very well so its hard to look for the study.

LavenderWolf: Violence and assaults against women are certainly pro-muslim.

Only under specific circumstances, and frankly I don't trust modern school systems to produce the right kind of environment which will instill the sort of patriarchal mysogyny I expect in my children.

ninjakirby
I was unaware selling drugs in the open was a pro-Muslim activity.

Ever been to the poppy fields of Afghanistan?

Neither have I, but just checking.

Television is the most pervasive abusive influence people will ever face.

Let's put it on trial.

In related news: for all of you Brits who had a pot bust way back when, I'll teach your 16 or older daughters a thing or 3.

If they aren't fat that is.
Oh and reasonably attractive. They have to be reasonably attractive as well.

mrgromit: Ever been to the poppy fields of Afghanistan?

Neither have I, but just checking.

There were removed by some Evil Doers in early 2001. Weird how that was "fixed" soon after eh?

penthesilea: zymosan: Do any other group then religious fanatics home school their children?



Looks like the answer might be yes.

I kind of doubt the veracity of that graph based on my own anecdotal knowledge. I would expect the school environment people to be mostly the same people as the fundies but they haven't come to grips with that fact.

As far as special needs go, public schools can be very good for severe cases. My friend taught at a special needs school. One of the kids was in a permanently vegetative state. He had a fulltime nurse with him at all times provided by the school district. I also had a friend who was learning disabled and he was taken out of public schools because his parents were not at all happy with his treatment.

As far as the 9% other goes, these are the fanatics who don't want the gubmint in their business and Rush told them all about the evils of indoctrination.

Then there are the sicko moms who over bonded with their brood and can't bear the thought of going 7 hours a day without being able to watch over their kids.

Like I said, anecdotal but I have knowledge of all of the above scenarios.

cksewell: Do a background check on everybody...problem solved.

At least all educators, parents or otherwise.

gregscott: In many schools, "education" is child abuse.

That's farking stupid. Keep kids out of schools entirely. It would be an interesting experiment, but unfortunately it's already been done. It's called the early 20th century south, and the country advanced considerably once it stopped.

Its stuff like this that really makes me hope that the whole 2012 thing will happen.

We have officially lost the right to exist with this much stupidity amongst our species.

ninjakirby:

LavenderWolf: Violence and assaults against women are certainly pro-muslim.

Only under specific circumstances, and frankly I don't trust modern school systems to produce the right kind of environment which will instill the sort of patriarchal mysogyny I expect in my children.

What's damned funny is that the only reason I knew you were joking is because you used words so large that Muslims surely don't know them. A real Muslim (not a pantywaisted liberal Western Muslim) would've said something more like..

"Islam is violent to women only when they deserve it according to God, and frankly I don't trust the modern school system to teach my children exactly when and why you should kill your daughter."

There's been a lot of "honour" killings in the news where Muslim fathers kill their daughters. This is in the pantywaisted liberal western version of islam.

Sorry, the quoting of ninjakirby got destroyed (the italics) when I snipped the other part of the quote.

homeschooled: I see you all love talking about me when I'm not around. Pshhh.

I love fark

It can be reasonably assumed whenever the Daily Mail says something "may" happen, it's not going to farking happen. This is some crackpot idea from Ofsted which doesn't even have the support of ministers, never mind parliament.

FTA: 'If Ofsted are calling for CRB checks for home-educating parents now, how long will it be before they are demanding that all parents are CRB-checked?'

How or why are Ofsted going to demand that, farkwad? They're a farking education watchdog.

Home schooled children do better on standardized testing than children from public schools.


/just throwing that out there

Homeschooling IS child abuse.

No one or two people should be the single source of information for a healthy child.

And for those of you that think that it's crazy to do a background check, I guess you're right - this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case

- homeschooled his kids and it worked out great, right?

Seth'n'Spectrum: Alarmed, fearing for his childhood.

Given what he thought of his childhood and how he was raised, I don't think he'd be standing up for the homeschoolers.

gregscott: In many schools, "education" is child abuse. Maybe the schools should have to prove that they provide a safe environment, and a viable education, rather than the parents.

Yeah, things like science are best left to parents with backgrounds in careers like customer service. Not, you know... certified teachers with a Master's Degree in their given subject.

Don't know how many of you have ever spent time in the UK, but this is a VERY typical approach. It always starts with getting the power granted to do something in a limited manner to a limited group.
Give it a year or two and they extend it to everybody. This has been almost a cliche since just after the war.

This current proposal doesn't make much sense on the surface but you have to realize this WILL be extended to all parents as just soon as the program is created and running smoothly.

I don't think anyone that ever lived there would ever doubt the program would expand.
It isn't even a question, everyone on all sides knows it, which is why the battle lines will be drawn here. I don't think anyone harbors any illusions this would stop, it has never failed to work out that way.