But, you know, let's just vote on which two undefeated season were the best. Then we can debate it for years and years. It's no fun to have to come to an actual resolution by having them all play each other.

And somehow stooges like Bill Hancock will say this proves the system works. Dan Patrick held his feet to the fire and he still weaseled out of it. (new window)

NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!

Cincy still has to play Pitt in the regular season, which could bring a one-loss team should Pitt win.

Wait, who am I kidding, this is Wannstedt we're talking about.

I think its funny that we, VT, are ranked higher than GT after they got their asses handed to them by Georgia. Also the fact that Clemson lost shows that the ACC Championship is going to matter little. I think it will be a travesty if Cinci wins and is forced to play one of them in the Orange bowl. After Pitt lost to WVU and looked pretty average I have little doubt that Cinci will win. I hope that they end up being able to play either TCU or Boise, but I know that will never happen.

college football is a complete joke

a few years ago people asked if we'd get a Mich-tOSU rematch in the MNC game, i wonder if the networks are salivating right now for any opportunity to do Bama-UF twice

How is Southern Cal not back in the top 5 after their win?!?!?! This is an outrage!!!!

/outrage I tell you.

The Coaches Poll should be disbanded. It's absurd, these coaches have underlings vote in these polls, and even THOSE people don't bother researching what happens in college football.

Why again should I care about the AP rankings? They are meaningless.

TCU and Cinci are over ranked. Cinci will be taken care of next weekend at Pitt but TCU is going to whine like a biatch when they still end up ranked behind the loser of the Bama vs Florida game.

MIguy: TCU and Cinci are over ranked. Cinci will be taken care of next weekend at Pitt but TCU is going to whine like a biatch when they still end up ranked behind the loser of the Bama vs Florida game.

I doubt Pitt can stop Cincy's offense. Nevertheless, it'll be a good game, and I'll be in attendance...Then going to the Steelers/Raiders game the next day.

/Brother went to Cincinnati, rooting for Bearcats!

Gosling: But, you know, let's just vote on which two undefeated season were the best. Then we can debate it for years and years. It's no fun to have to come to an actual resolution by having them all play each other.

I don't know about you, but my life doesn't really change regardless of how college football's national championship is decided.

If they abandoned the BCS and went back to the old system, we'd at least have 2 or 3 bowls with possible title implications. From a fan's perspective, that's better than having 1 bowl that matters and two dozen that don't.

Yanks_RSJ: I don't know about you, but my life doesn't really change regardless of how college football's national championship is decided.

Considering your name, I have a feeling that you might be a tad more upset if Major League Baseball decided to have a popularity contest result in a championship between two teams that aren't in the same division.

Oh, sure, "life" may not be different, but you may have more of an opinion.

Yanks_RSJ: If they abandoned the BCS and went back to the old system, we'd at least have 2 or 3 bowls with possible title implications. From a fan's perspective, that's better than having 1 bowl that matters and two dozen that don't.

Yep, 2 bowls that matter and 23 that don't is SO much better.

A playoff is good enough for FCS, Division II, and Division III, it's good enough for the FBS.

well that's a clusterfark...

Winterstar: Yep, 2 bowls that matter and 23 that don't is SO much better.

A playoff is good enough for FCS, Division II, and Division III, it's good enough for the FBS.

I get why people want to keep bowls around. But to me, there's no reason there can't be a playoff system tied into these already existing bowls. Keep the "lesser" bowls and use the big ones in the playoffs (semi-finals, finals, and possibly a third-place game would be awesome, and would draw HUUUUUUUGE money).

How is Georgia Tech behind Virginia Tech when they not only beat VT, but also have more wins?

How the hell did GT pull a 12 ranking after trailing the entire game to an unranked UGA?

I mean, semi-finals, finals, and 3rd-place games are played in the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange Bowls... rotating each season, of course.

He wasn't in bounds, but that was a hell of a catch.

Winterstar: Yanks_RSJ: If they abandoned the BCS and went back to the old system, we'd at least have 2 or 3 bowls with possible title implications. From a fan's perspective, that's better than having 1 bowl that matters and two dozen that don't.

Yep, 2 bowls that matter and 23 that don't is SO much better.

A playoff is good enough for FCS, Division II, and Division III, it's good enough for the FBS.

Bowls are for gamblers. Retarded undergrads and alumni with no lives, too, but mostly gamblers.

The SEC/National Championship game should be very entertaining.

Winterstar: Yep, 2 bowls that matter and 23 32 that don't is SO much better.

Fixed the lysdexia for you...

\and at least eight 6-6 teams will be bowling, thanks to conference tie-ins and other assorted clusterfarkia that goes with having 57% of the teams in 1A in a bowl

D-Liver: Retarded undergrads and alumni with no lives, too, but mostly gamblers.

That's not true. Generally they have lives they want to escape from.

Where's Ohio at in the polls? If Ohio beats Central Michigan in the MAC Championship, they should be in the Top 25. Meanwhile Ohio State is quiet from now till New Years and the only direction for them now is up. There is an outside chance that the Rose Bowl commission decides to pit a SEC team against Ohio State on New Years Day for the ratings, but that's highly unlikely.

When I become ruler of the world, my first order of business will be to institute a playoff for college football.
/second will be to outlaw the DH
/third will be to move the halftime at the SB back to 20 minutes

Conference champs --

ACC: Georgia Tech
Big East: Pittsburgh
Big Ten: Ohio State
Big 12: Texas
C-USA: Houston
MAC: Central Michigan
Mountain West: TCU
Pac-10: Oregon
Southeastern: Florida
Sun Belt: Troy
WAC: Boise State

At-Large Bids (capping to two teams in tourney per conference):
Alabama
Cincinnati
Iowa
Southern Cal
Virginia Tech

Seeds:

(1) Florida vs. (16) Troy
(8) Cincinnati vs. (9) Virginia Tech
(4) TCU vs. (13) Iowa
(5) Oregon vs. (12) Ohio State
(3) Alabama vs. (14) Houston
(6) Georgia Tech vs. (11) Pittsburgh
(7) Boise State vs. (10) Southern Cal
(2) Texas vs. (15) Central Michigan

Now, tell me that is somehow worse than just arbitrarily picking two teams to play in a playoff.

puffy999: D-Liver: Retarded undergrads and alumni with no lives, too, but mostly gamblers.

That's not true. Generally they have lives they want to escape from.

You're right. I'm in the South right now, so that's all I goddamn see...

Actually, Iowa and OSU would have to be on opposite ends of the bracket... might mean you end up with something like:

(1) Florida vs. (16) Troy
(8) Cincinnati vs. (9) Virginia Tech
(4) TCU vs. (13) Houston
(5) Oregon vs. (12) Ohio State
(3) Alabama vs. (14) Iowa
(6) Georgia Tech vs. (11) Southern Cal
(7) Boise State vs. (10) Pittsburgh
(2) Texas vs. (15) Central Michigan

(rethought Pitt v. Southern Cal, too)

But this is why committees exist for things like this. What would actually probably happen is OSU would get their rank inflated a bit and end up at 11 or 10, but at the expense of whom? Southern Cal who beat them? Pitt who won their conference?

It's not easy, but it's a lot more fun to debate than who ends up in the title game ONLY.

vonschiller: ...
Now, tell me that is somehow worse than just arbitrarily picking two teams to play in a playoff.

It's not worse. It's great. Unfortunately there are many folks (sponsors, cities, conferences, schools, tv networks, etc.) making too much money from all of these bowl games that they will not give up the current system.

I still say they can incorporate the bowls into a playoff/tournament. Every game can be an existing bowl game, essentially. They can rotate the sites every year like they do for the NCAA basketball tournament. I've had a local Cincinnati sportswriter critique that idea to me personally by asking the question of "Who will attend the games?" And also mentioning, "Some fans save up for that one bowl trip and can't be following their team around the country every Saturday for a month." I've always argued that it hasn't been a problem for D1-AA (fark FCS) fans or college hoops fans.

The sad thing is that the voters have decided to give the teams that have had the most convincing games against the toughest opponents ZERO first place votes. You would think that after the way Texas, Alabama, and Florida bumbled and fumbled through the season, despite winning, at least 1 voter would buck the preseason poll bullshiat and vote for teams that won decisively against some pretty damn good teams rather than voting for someone like the team that was a blocked chipshot field goal away from losing at home to a middling team

vonschiller: Conference champs --

ACC: Georgia Tech
Big East: Pittsburgh
Big Ten: Ohio State
Big 12: Texas
C-USA: Houston
MAC: Central Michigan
Mountain West: TCU
Pac-10: Oregon
Southeastern: Florida
Sun Belt: Troy
WAC: Boise State

At-Large Bids (capping to two teams in tourney per conference):
Alabama
Cincinnati
Iowa
Southern Cal
Virginia Tech

Seeds:

(1) Florida vs. (16) Troy
(8) Cincinnati vs. (9) Virginia Tech
(4) TCU vs. (13) Iowa
(5) Oregon vs. (12) Ohio State
(3) Alabama vs. (14) Houston
(6) Georgia Tech vs. (11) Pittsburgh
(7) Boise State vs. (10) Southern Cal
(2) Texas vs. (15) Central Michigan

Now, tell me that is somehow worse than just arbitrarily picking two teams to play in a playoff.

Too many teams from the midget conferences on the tit. They don't pull the TV dollars that fuels such a playoff.

Funk Brothers: Where's Ohio at in the polls? If Ohio beats Central Michigan in the MAC Championship, they should be in the Top 25.

No we shouldn't. If we win the MAC and then beat a decent team in the Little Caesar's Bowl, then maybe. That would put us at 11-3.

TheOther: Too many teams from the midget conferences on the tit. They don't pull the TV dollars that fuels such a playoff.

People will watch a play off. If it's a play off to determine a national champion they will watch, no matter the conferences involved.

WhyteRaven74: TheOther: Too many teams from the midget conferences on the tit. They don't pull the TV dollars that fuels such a playoff.

People will watch a play off. If it's a play off to determine a national champion they will watch, no matter the conferences involved.

Fine; then scale the payouts. When Troy contributes 1/10th of the audience and Fla the other 9/10ths, Troy gets a 1/10th share of the $.

Luckily for TCU, Cinci, and Boise their regular season wasn't deemed irrelevant by a playoff. We know beyond doubt that none of them are National Championship caliber teams because they don't play in the SEC/Big12.

/Fark the BCS
//sideways
///with pinecones

TheOther: Fine; then scale the payouts. When Troy contributes 1/10th of the audience and Fla the other 9/10ths, Troy gets a 1/10th share of the $.

How about no? Does no work for you?

bubbaprog: Funk Brothers: Where's Ohio at in the polls? If Ohio beats Central Michigan in the MAC Championship, they should be in the Top 25.

No we shouldn't. If we win the MAC and then beat a decent team in the Little Caesar's Bowl, then maybe. That would put us at 11-3.

I'm glad that I'm not the only Bobcat who thought that would be an absurd idea.

/Be awesome though

TheOther: Too many teams from the midget conferences on the tit. They don't pull the TV dollars that fuels such a playoff.

IIRC, there's a rule that each conference champion must be invited if there is a playoff, so that's the reason to include them...

Here's how I would seed the teams:

(1) Florida vs. (16) Troy
(8) Georgia Tech vs. (9) Ohio State
(4) TCU vs. (13) Oregon State
(5) Cincinnati vs. (12) Iowa
(3) Alabama vs. (14) Houston
(6) Boise State vs. (11) Pittsburgh
(7) Oregon vs. (10) Georgia Tech
(2) Texas vs. (15) Central Michigan

SwayingMantits: How is Georgia Tech behind Virginia Tech when they not only beat VT, but also have more wins?

Late losses hurt more. You are supposed to improve over the course of the season.

lolmadillo: a few years ago people asked if we'd get a Mich-tOSU rematch in the MNC game, i wonder if the networks are salivating right now for any opportunity to do Bama-UF twice

If I were a Michigan fan then I would be pissed if that happened with Floridia and Alabama.

thistime: college football is a complete joke

This. And it's a lame "knock-knock" joke at that

D-Liver: You're right. I'm in the South right now, so that's all I goddamn see...

There's your problem. You're surrounded by people who are fans of college football, but didn't actually attend college.

TheOther: Too many teams from the midget conferences on the tit. They don't pull the TV dollars that fuels such a playoff.

They don't pull the TV dollars because the system funnels all the TV dollars to the richest teams.

You think the baseball money system is jacked up? Imagine a world in which the Yankees play 120 home games a year while the Tampa Bay Rays play 40, and even if the Rays go undefeated they aren't allowed to be World Series Champions.

That's the status quo in college football.

So if Nebraska can somehow upset Texas (who from time to time drops a stinker), what does the B.S. system do? Does it reward the loser of the SEC championship if it is a close game (for the big dollars)? Does it move Cincy up to number 2 (to screw the non-BCS school)? I don't think Cincy could win the big one, but I would take TCU to win by 10 in the title game.

Also, I'm waiting, just waiting to see Oregon go to a big bowl while Boise State does not just to hear about Oregon being a new team and how they play such a tough schedule. Also, I love that the ACC Champ will go as well while Boise is stuck in either the Idaho bowl or somewhere in mid-Michigan. Gotta love tradition (dollars).

bubbaprog: TheOther: Too many teams from the midget conferences on the tit. They don't pull the TV dollars that fuels such a playoff.

They don't pull the TV dollars because the system funnels all the TV dollars to the richest teams.

You think the baseball money system is jacked up? Imagine a world in which the Yankees play 120 home games a year while the Tampa Bay Rays play 40, and even if the Rays go undefeated they aren't allowed to be World Series Champions.

That's the status quo in college football.

A Yankees team with more losses gets to move forward simply because the voters thought they played those games better while Tampa Bay won too many close game.s

The only way College Football will ever change is if it starts losing a considerable amount of money.

That being said, I am going to boycott the BCS games this year. That's right. I'm not going to watch them, read about them, or even talk about them. When I see a commercial advertising Tostitos, Fed Ex, Citi or Allstate, I am going to change the channel.
Not only that, but every time I catch a glimpse of any of those companies, I will follow that up with purchasing Cape Cod chips online with my Bank of America Credit Card, using UPS to have them sent to me, and..well..I'll follow that up with continuing to not use All State. I'm also going to punch anyone who doesn't do the same.


Who's with me!

I have no problems being at 17 - there honestly isn't a team above us I'm confident we could beat, and I'm fairly sure we could beat each team (ranked) below us. That's the idea, right?

That said, apart from the massive fellating by the media that led to an insane ranking inflation which inevitably concluded by a spectacular fall from a grace we never truly earned, it was a good season.

Go Canes.

TheManofPA: So if Nebraska can somehow upset Texas (who from time to time drops a stinker), what does the B.S. system do? Does it reward the loser of the SEC championship if it is a close game (for the big dollars)? Does it move Cincy up to number 2 (to screw the non-BCS school)? I don't think Cincy could win the big one, but I would take TCU to win by 10 in the title game.

Florida against Boise or Cincy for all the marbles. Block out Alabama and Texas from the BCS and send TCU and Notre Dame to the Rose Bowl.

Winterstar: TheOther: Too many teams from the midget conferences on the tit. They don't pull the TV dollars that fuels such a playoff.

IIRC, there's a rule that each conference champion must be invited if there is a playoff, so that's the reason to include them...

Here's how I would seed the teams:

(1) Florida vs. (16) Troy
(8) Georgia Tech vs. (9) Ohio State
(4) TCU vs. (13) Oregon State
(5) Cincinnati vs. (12) Iowa
(3) Alabama vs. (14) Houston
(6) Boise State vs. (11) Pittsburgh
(7) Oregon vs. (10) Georgia Tech
(2) Texas vs. (15) Central Michigan

Give the top 2 seeds a bye, those match-ups wouldn't even be interesting.
I'd watch the other 6 games though.