this is obama's america

I never liked this whole Salvation Army Bellringer standing outside every store begging for change thing we've got going on here.


No, I don't want to donate. Stop trying to convince me even after I said no.

I was told at one time that some bell ringers were people working off court ordered community service hours. Any truth to that?

jermicide: this is obama's america

I distinctly remember stories just like this pre-Obama, but feel free to hide your bigotry under the idea of conservatism.

The most annoying thing in the world next to 13 year olds voice chatting while playing modern warfare 2



\SHUT THE FARK UP !

Huttah!: I was told at one time that some bell ringers were people working off court ordered community service hours. Any truth to that?

No. I was an organizer for the Bellringers in Dallas for a couple years. There are very few volunteers. Bellringers are paid, and they undergo a background check for criminal activity. Some do have criminal records, bu this affords them the opportunity to get employment. For many, this is a second chance.

Huttah!: I was told at one time that some bell ringers were people working off court ordered community service hours. Any truth to that?

That would be incorrect. But Salvation Army does allow people receiving services through their court, rehabilitation programs to volunteer. They run programs for everything from family counseling, anger management, life skills and drug/alcohol rehabs. Often accepting people who are doing court ordered hours.

I volunteered on the kettles one year when I was a resident of a S.A. addiction program. I was not obligated nor pressured.

They're good folks who do a lot of good.

Also delivered and prepared Christmas hampers for families who'd have no Christmas without them

DirtyOldGeek: Huttah!: I was told at one time that some bell ringers were people working off court ordered community service hours. Any truth to that?

No. I was an organizer for the Bellringers in Dallas for a couple years. There are very few volunteers. Bellringers are paid, and they undergo a background check for criminal activity. Some do have criminal records, bu this affords them the opportunity to get employment. For many, this is a second chance.

Really?!?! Holy moly! Up here in Canada there is more volunteers and no one gets paid. Except for a $10 allowance for coffee/lunch if you are on for 4 hours or more.

Goddamn atheists.

I always give. I guess i'm just a good person.

ramen_for_all: I always give. I guess i'm just a good person.

I don't particularly give to them. The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

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Something_Creative: ramen_for_all: I always give. I guess i'm just a good person.

I don't particularly give to them. The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

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I think I meant to link to this instead, although those links are valid also. Link (new window)

I'd be more inclined to drop a dollar in the kettle if I didn't have to hear that awful bell.

Something_Creative: ramen_for_all: I always give. I guess i'm just a good person.

I don't particularly give to them. The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

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I'm sorry but this makes me laugh.... considering they are a religious org. I am big with support for the salv army. Their stance on LGBT will never change that. I understand why they feel the way that they do... as they are a Church based org... their opinion is their opinion.

What I love about them is that they are a big support in the community. That's all that matters to me. Helping somebody.

/hate the bell myself.

Greta_VanHouten: I'd be more inclined to drop a dollar in the kettle if I didn't have to hear that awful bell.

I'd be more inclined to go to brick and mortar stores if they didn't start playing that god awful Christmas music the day after Thanksgiving.

The Angry Hand of God: Greta_VanHouten: I'd be more inclined to drop a dollar in the kettle if I didn't have to hear that awful bell.

I'd be more inclined to go to brick and mortar stores if they didn't start playing that god awful Christmas music the day after Thanksgiving.

you lucked out, man. xmas music started around here right after veterans day.

/not joking

ramen_for_all: The Angry Hand of God: Greta_VanHouten: I'd be more inclined to drop a dollar in the kettle if I didn't have to hear that awful bell.

I'd be more inclined to go to brick and mortar stores if they didn't start playing that god awful Christmas music the day after Thanksgiving.

you lucked out, man. xmas music started around here right after veterans day.

/not joking

If I had a store I would play nothing but Slayer until the new year. Of course that would make me a pretty crappy business owner but a few people would appreciate it.

Didn't TheJokerBlogs already address this?

/Vid from last year
//Just as good this year

I never give, but I dont carry cash, so its not like I could anyways.

xnewnoisex:
I'm sorry but this makes me laugh.... considering they are a religious org. I am big with support for the salv army. Their stance on LGBT will never change that. I understand why they feel the way that they do... as they are a Church based org... their opinion is their opinion.

What I love about them is that they are a big support in the community. That's all that matters to me. Helping somebody.

/hate the bell myself.

There are dozens of organizations in every community that help people with food, clothing, job placement, recovery, etc. that don't discriminate against gays. I consider them a much better place to give money (and on more solid moral ground, typically).

Also, no farkin' bells.

mikebdoss:
There are dozens of organizations in every community that help people with food, clothing, job placement, recovery, etc. that don't discriminate against gays. I consider them a much better place to give money (and on more solid moral ground, typically).

All of this. Why give to someone in spite of their views if you can give to someone who isn't discriminatory?

Also, no farkin' bells.

But especially this. Nothing saps my generosity like that goddamn bell.

Sultan Of Herf: I never give, but I dont carry cash, so its not like I could anyways.

Silly! It's the age of the internet. Most charities have websites where you can do with a credit card, PayPal or a thumbprint scan...

So get giving there Peaches!

Approve.

/hot and wet sticky

Just a note: Up here in Canada there is no bells no more.

They were attracting to many lonely mooses!

Hah. I once stole a box of charity change so I could buy some blow.

Got taken out by a passing security guard when the woman came out yelling just as I was making my getaway on my bike.

Then a cop showed up.

And I cried.


//i blame the Luvox
///and possibly the blow

Something_Creative: The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

The Salvation Army is a CHURCH. If hiring someone who's gay is against their religious principles they have the right to refuse to hire them. If someone is from another religion they also have a right to refuse to hire them. Little thing we have in this country called the Second Amendment.

If throwing a few coins in their kettle keeps their thrift stores open, I'm all for them.

JonnyBGoode

The Salvation Army is a CHURCH. If hiring someone who's gay is against their religious principles they have the right to refuse to hire them. If someone is from another religion they also have a right to refuse to hire them. Little thing we have in this country called the Second Amendment.


*boggle*

mrEdude: Hah. I once stole a box of charity change so I could buy some blow.

Got taken out by a passing security guard when the woman came out yelling just as I was making my getaway on my bike.

Then a cop showed up.

And I cried.


//i blame the Luvox
///and possibly the blow

The question I have for you is, where did you find a coke dealer that takes change? That is a minimum of 160 quarters.

I was a bell ringer for the salvation army one year in high school so I'm really getting a kick of all these replies.

/I'm pretty non religious and broke but I still put what I can in those buckets.

JonnyBGoode: Something_Creative: The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

The Salvation Army is a CHURCH. If hiring someone who's gay is against their religious principles they have the right to refuse to hire them. If someone is from another religion they also have a right to refuse to hire them. Little thing we have in this country called the Second Amendment.

If throwing a few coins in their kettle keeps their thrift stores open, I'm all for them.

Someone already posted my response, but I'll repeat. Yes, they have every right to discriminate. I have every right to call them homophobic douchebags and not give them my money, preferring organizations that don't discriminate. That's a little thing we have in this country called the First Amendment.

Also,

Imageshack didn't like me.

JonnyBGoode: Little thing we have in this country called the Second Amendment.

WTF?

skool-fail

jermicide: this is obama's america



eeehhhhh....4/10

Yeah, you got a bite within a few posts. But it's like fishing with dynamite. Yes you catching something, but that's not really the point. Your troll worked, but there wasn't really any depth to it.

I don't give them one red cent, not only because of their anti-LGBT crap, but because of that damn migraine-inducing bell. Shouldn't there be a noise ordinance of some sort? They're almost at every Gahddamn grocery store, so we have to do our shopping at Costco(thank goodness they don't allow the ringers there) and Target.

Me: "Do you still save fallen women?"
SA: "Yes"
Me: "Well, save one for me"

/Old
//fallen slashy

FTFA:

"...I hate Christmas."

"The robber is described as a white male, 5-foot-2 to 5-foot-4, 200 to 240 pounds, with a scruffy beard and moustache."


Anyone else thinking "Santa finally snapped"?

Something_Creative: Something_Creative: ramen_for_all: I always give. I guess i'm just a good person.

I don't particularly give to them. The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

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I think I meant to link to this instead, although those links are valid also. Link (new window)

Oh these are MILD.

2003: SA has private meetings at the White House with the administration trying to get an exception made so that they are under NO anti-discrimination laws. This was leaked to the press and buried shortly thereafter;

circa 1990: Family of mom plus two kids apply for aid after the husband dies suddenly. SA is happy to help them out until they discover that deceased man's brother is living with them in the terminal stages of AIDS. SA delivers the ultimatum: give back all the money OR kick the guy to the curb and have NO further contact with him (because having AIDS he's going to hell).

mid-1980s: SA holds meetings with members of Congress lobbying to remove funding for AIDS prevention programs, treatment programs and education programs because "gays are going to hell so spending money on AIDS is a complete waste" - lobbying expenditures were estimated to be around $40-50 million.

So, when you encounter the bell ringers, please remember what the SA actually DOES with their money, and remember that there are many OTHER charities that don't discriminate and don't lobby to be exempt from anti-discrimination laws.

It's what Jesus would do.

xnewnoisex: Something_Creative: ramen_for_all: I always give. I guess i'm just a good person.

I don't particularly give to them. The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

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I'm sorry but this makes me laugh.... considering they are a religious org. I am big with support for the salv army. Their stance on LGBT will never change that. I understand why they feel the way that they do... as they are a Church based org... their opinion is their opinion.

What I love about them is that they are a big support in the community. That's all that matters to me. Helping somebody.

/hate the bell myself.

What about their discrimination against the FAMILIES of non-heterosexuals?

Could you explain more about this thing you "get" about them? Where is discrimination in any way acceptable for a charity?

Can you list other charities whose "opinions" affect their actions against an entire subset of the population (say, race, religion, etc.?). Would you consider donating to them because their bias is simply their "opinion"? If so, why, and if not - why NOT?

You didn't really address why discrimination is OK in your post. It would be interesting to read your defense of it.

JonnyBGoode: Something_Creative: The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

The Salvation Army is a CHURCH. If hiring someone who's gay is against their religious principles they have the right to refuse to hire them. If someone is from another religion they also have a right to refuse to hire them. Little thing we have in this country called the Second Amendment.

If throwing a few coins in their kettle keeps their thrift stores open, I'm all for them.

It's not just hiring practices - their charitable help is rescinded if they learn that anyone they are helping is or has direct contact with anyone who is non-heterosexual.

So - are you non-heterosexual? Sorry - you don't deserve charity.
Someone in your household is non-heterosexual? Nope - you're too evil too. Allow a non-heterosexual contact with your family? Nope - to get help from the SA, you have to sever all contact with them, be they a friend, relative, etc.

In what way does such an organization in any way merit support when they go against the entire value system upon which this country is based? How many other organizations qualify their support based upon who you associate with? How many of them spend millions on lobbying against AIDS research, treatment and education?

As there are many other agencies that do not have such baggage, doesn't it make MORE sense to donate to them and leave the SA behind along with otyher so-called "charities" that would refuse to help blacks, Jews, atheists, and so on? Why does anti-gay or (in this case) "anti-gay once removed" get a pass by you? What does the SA do that can't be done by others that allows you to look the other way, and redefine the concept of charity by qualifying it?

What I'd love to set up is a charitable organization that sets up next to every bell ringer for the SA with a sign reminding people that the SA's $$$ is used to lobby against people who need charity.

Free market is good, yes?

There are so many organizations out there who do a better job than the SA without all the baggage. The SA is no longer relevant and should be relegated to history along with any other group that would deny help based upon someone being part of an undesirable sub=population...

It's what Jesus would do.

Something_Creative: JonnyBGoode: Something_Creative: The Salvation Army is openly anti-LGBT in their hiring practices. They also have been accused of religious discrimination in the past.

The Salvation Army is a CHURCH. If hiring someone who's gay is against their religious principles they have the right to refuse to hire them. If someone is from another religion they also have a right to refuse to hire them. Little thing we have in this country called the Second Amendment.

If throwing a few coins in their kettle keeps their thrift stores open, I'm all for them.

Someone already posted my response, but I'll repeat. Yes, they have every right to discriminate. I have every right to call them homophobic douchebags and not give them my money, preferring organizations that don't discriminate. That's a little thing we have in this country called the First Amendment.

Also,

The Second Amendment thing did confuse me.

Geez, I had no idea Salvation Army was such a dickish organization. Now I have a real reason for not giving them money besides my being an uncharitable, self-involved hosebeast.

I wonder if the thief was aware of the Salvation Army's objection to pretty much every thing Fark stands for? (new window)

Englebert Slaptyback: JonnyBGoode

The Salvation Army is a CHURCH. If hiring someone who's gay is against their religious principles they have the right to refuse to hire them. If someone is from another religion they also have a right to refuse to hire them. Little thing we have in this country called the Second Amendment.


*boggle*

My bad. I meant to type FIRST amendment, but had a brainfart.

If it turns out he is less-fortunate, then he should simply be praised for his efficiency.

Crown_of_Shoes: If it turns out he is less-fortunate, then he should simply be praised for his efficiency.

Cutting out the middle-man?

Salvation Army's supposed to help the needy, right? Well this person was probably needy. It's better this way. Cut out the middle man.

FTA:The robber is described as a white male, 5-foot-2 to 5-foot-4, 200 to 240 pounds, with a scruffy beard and moustache.

how could this Weeble make a fast get-a-way?

ursomniac: It's not just hiring practices - their charitable help is rescinded if they learn that anyone they are helping is or has direct contact with anyone who is non-heterosexual.

So - are you non-heterosexual? Sorry - you don't deserve charity.
Someone in your household is non-heterosexual? Nope - you're too evil too. Allow a non-heterosexual contact with your family? Nope - to get help from the SA, you have to sever all contact with them, be they a friend, relative, etc.

WTF!

Is this true? (citation, please.)

/ guess I wouldn't qualify for help from the Salvation Army, then.
// :-( ...and I thought they were one of the good guys.