Please come back Bobby, please come back Bobby!

/Gator fan

This is getting very sad. It's like a family trying to figure out a way to tell Dad it's time to go to the home.

These are Nirvana lyrics. I can tell.

Good, that means JoePa can keep the title for most wins ever no problem.

So I recently read that new Stephen King book. If you've read it you know the villian, Big Jim Rennie. He sucks.

The entire time I read the book, I pictured him as Bobby Bowden. It was perfect.

jake_lex: This is getting very sad. It's like a family trying to figure out a way to tell Dad it's time to go to the home.

You don't know how close to the truth you are. How do you fire a legend in the South? Even when he's losing?

/Used to be [incredibly underpaid] faculty at FSU, getting a kick, all that jazz.

Bowden reminds you of the computer programmers who have been at it for 40 years and say they've got another year in 'em...there's got to be a punch-card reader somewhere.

You feel for 'em but time rolls on.

The Seminoles finished an up-and-down regular season 6-6 and are expected to receive a bowl bid.

WTF??

steelpeg: The Seminoles finished an up-and-down regular season 6-6 and are expected to receive a bowl bid.

WTF??

Last season more teams in Div I went to bowls than did not. Someone has to fill all those slots.

Approves!

steelpeg: The Seminoles finished an up-and-down regular season 6-6 and are expected to receive a bowl bid.

WTF??

I forget which coach or broadcaster said it (was just this year) but his words brought the bowl picture into perfect clarity and should be the absolute Boobies in any college football thread which might even tangentially touch on the bowls:

The bowls are about MAKING MONEY for the bowl cities, organizers and teams. If Texas and Florida were the only two teams in the world who could draw 80,000 to a neutral site then they would play for the "making money roseoragnefiesta national championship sponsored by pulanweedeatertostitoscornchips" every year - even if they went 1-11 each.

The reality is they're not interested in who really deserves a shot through a playoffs, assuming you can make at least some case for inclusion the teams that bring fans and money to a bowl get to go - otherwise piss-off. Of course this means that the haves stay haves and the have-nots (since they never get the big-payoff) stay have-nots.

Once he was so good of a coach they built a statue of him.




Now he's a sad dotard who has an assistant coach to make sure there are no wet spots down below before he goes on the field.

Fizpez: ...should be the absolute Boobies in any college football thread which might even tangentially touch on the bowls:



Man, I don't know what the fark you just said, but you special, man.
You reached out, and touched a brothers' heart.

Bob The Nob beat me to it.

/why don't I fit in?

Fizpez: steelpeg: The Seminoles finished an up-and-down regular season 6-6 and are expected to receive a bowl bid.

WTF??

I forget which coach or broadcaster said it (was just this year) but his words brought the bowl picture into perfect clarity and should be the absolute Boobies in any college football thread which might even tangentially touch on the bowls:

The bowls are about MAKING MONEY for the bowl cities, organizers and teams. If Texas and Florida were the only two teams in the world who could draw 80,000 to a neutral site then they would play for the "making money roseoragnefiesta national championship sponsored by pulanweedeatertostitoscornchips" every year - even if they went 1-11 each.

The reality is they're not interested in who really deserves a shot through a playoffs, assuming you can make at least some case for inclusion the teams that bring fans and money to a bowl get to go - otherwise piss-off. Of course this means that the haves stay haves and the have-nots (since they never get the big-payoff) stay have-nots.


You were so close to sharing a rational arguement.

"Looks like I win, motherf***er!"

jayhawk88: steelpeg: The Seminoles finished an up-and-down regular season 6-6 and are expected to receive a bowl bid.

WTF??

Last season more teams in Div I went to bowls than did not. Someone has to fill all those slots.

It's a double whammy. Not only are there 34 bowls (which means 68 teams), but there are also 9 bowls with ACC tie-ins. Thanks to Wake Forest finishing the complete FAIL of dook (thanks, Deacs!!!), there are only 7 teams who are .500 or better overall in the ACC. Number 7 is 6-6 Florida State. Thanks to bowl tie-ins, they are in the pool with BC and NC to go to either Nashville, San Francisco or Charlotte for a bowl. Assuming UNC's going to Charlotte, they're either going to Nashville or San Francisco, and since they bring fans, both will want them.

Sucks but true. Meanwhile, a team with a better record that hasn't played anyone (like MTSU or NIU) will be sitting at home, jealous of .500 teams in power conferences.

\and for the record, that's way too many
\\17 bowls younger than 20 = Bowl teams going home with losing records, which is retarded
\\\not counting the BCSCG or the Aloha Hawaii Bowl in that 17 number, btw

FSU alum here from the glory days of FSU football.....

The best thing would be for Bowden to retire on his own NOW. Announce that FSU's Shamwow Bowl ( or whatever lower tier bowl) appearance will be his last game. Media will run specials about him, fans will praise his accomplishments,etc...

If he refuses to go quietly, it will get ugly for him. Decades of positive feelings will go down the shiatter . He doesn't deserve that but it's up to him to realize that and do the right thing.

Go now, with class and dignity, and his birthday will become a state holiday in Florida. Stick around and become a Jay Leno punchline.

Didn't the NCAA stip the program of like 15 or so wins last year so there's no chance he could ever catch JoePA?

nh33: FSU alum here from the glory days of FSU football.....

The best thing would be for Bowden to retire on his own NOW. Announce that FSU's Shamwow Bowl ( or whatever lower tier bowl) appearance will be his last game. Media will run specials about him, fans will praise his accomplishments,etc...

If he refuses to go quietly, it will get ugly for him. Decades of positive feelings will go down the shiatter . He doesn't deserve that but it's up to him to realize that and do the right thing.

Go now, with class and dignity, and his birthday will become a state holiday in Florida. Stick around and become a Jay Leno punchline.

People never think this way when it's time to go though, at least not very often. As it is, his will be one of at least eight teams with .500 records in bowls.

pag1107: Didn't the NCAA stip the program of like 15 or so wins last year so there's no chance he could ever catch JoePA?

They returned the wins.

/irate Gator fan

Planterz: Fizpez: ...should be the absolute Boobies in any college football thread which might even tangentially touch on the bowls:



Man, I don't know what the fark you just said, but you special, man.
You reached out, and touched a brothers' heart.

Gimme the map, Scott...GIMME THE MAP, SCOTT!!!

NittLion78: "Looks like I win, motherf***er!"



"Maybe at total wins in college football..."

Didn't he say just this week that he couldn't leave until he had the program back on track?

SharkTrager: Didn't he say just this week that he couldn't leave until he had the program back on track?

I think he probably realized at some point that one of the early steps to getting the program back on track is replacing the head coach.

One thing I don't get is that many people say that Bowden doesn't really have that much involvement in the football team but that the team's failures are all Bowden's fault.

Which is it?

The natural response would probably be something along the lines of how his team isn't responding because there's not really a solid authority figure around, but that would only indicate to me that FSU has went and recruited a bunch of delicate flowers.

KiwDaWabbit: One thing I don't get is that many people say that Bowden doesn't really have that much involvement in the football team but that the team's failures are all Bowden's fault.

Which is it?

The natural response would probably be something along the lines of how his team isn't responding because there's not really a solid authority figure around, but that would only indicate to me that FSU has went and recruited a bunch of delicate flowers.

The problem with Bowden is that he seems to meddle in everything for the worse. Hiring bad coaches (Amato) because of personal relationships. Sticking with his son at offensive coordinator despite the fact that he was an abject failure as a coach. etc. The defense, yes, is Bowden's fault. Offense has been fine for the majority of this season thanks to Jimbo.

Have a feeling that Bobby's coming back, but more or less as a figurehead. Jimbo's going to be given the power to pick the defensive coaching staff for 2010. Recruits are going to be told that this is Bowden's last year. Jimbo and Bowden will share head coaching powers in 2010, and Jimbo will take over by himself in 2011.

number8: KiwDaWabbit: One thing I don't get is that many people say that Bowden doesn't really have that much involvement in the football team but that the team's failures are all Bowden's fault.

Which is it?

The natural response would probably be something along the lines of how his team isn't responding because there's not really a solid authority figure around, but that would only indicate to me that FSU has went and recruited a bunch of delicate flowers.

The problem with Bowden is that he seems to meddle in everything for the worse. Hiring bad coaches (Amato) because of personal relationships. Sticking with his son at offensive coordinator despite the fact that he was an abject failure as a coach. etc. The defense, yes, is Bowden's fault. Offense has been fine for the majority of this season thanks to Jimbo.

Have a feeling that Bobby's coming back, but more or less as a figurehead. Jimbo's going to be given the power to pick the defensive coaching staff for 2010. Recruits are going to be told that this is Bowden's last year. Jimbo and Bowden will share head coaching powers in 2010, and Jimbo will take over by himself in 2011.

Geeez what a drama queen bowden is. I've never seen an 80 year old man with such an ego.

I watched the entire game yesterday and I didnt see one FSU sideline shot of Bowden interacting with the players or contributing to the game. Just looking confused, pacing back and forth being followed by that dude carrying his headphones for him.

I've had the opinion for several years that Bowden refusing to leave has hurt the team and the program.

I'm just gonna leave this here for future reference, re: how to bow out gracefully while you're still Legend and your mere appearance live and in the flesh is enough to make your most bitter rivals a little misty-eyed.

FriarReb98: jayhawk88: steelpeg: The Seminoles finished an up-and-down regular season 6-6 and are expected to receive a bowl bid.

WTF??

Last season more teams in Div I went to bowls than did not. Someone has to fill all those slots.

It's a double whammy. Not only are there 34 bowls (which means 68 teams), but there are also 9 bowls with ACC tie-ins. Thanks to Wake Forest finishing the complete FAIL of dook (thanks, Deacs!!!), there are only 7 teams who are .500 or better overall in the ACC. Number 7 is 6-6 Florida State. Thanks to bowl tie-ins, they are in the pool with BC and NC to go to either Nashville, San Francisco or Charlotte for a bowl. Assuming UNC's going to Charlotte, they're either going to Nashville or San Francisco, and since they bring fans, both will want them.

Sucks but true. Meanwhile, a team with a better record that hasn't played anyone (like MTSU or NIU) will be sitting at home, jealous of .500 teams in power conferences.

\and for the record, that's way too many
\\17 bowls younger than 20 = Bowl teams going home with losing records, which is retarded
\\\not counting the BCSCG or the Aloha Hawaii Bowl in that 17 number, btw

i'm guessing you haven't seen any of our last 3 home games. the stands were pretty vacant. were i on a bowl committee i wouldn't suggest FSU (hard for me to say, come from a noles family) cause they can't even get people to drive from down the street, much less across the country

Steed Lankershim: number8: KiwDaWabbit: One thing I don't get is that many people say that Bowden doesn't really have that much involvement in the football team but that the team's failures are all Bowden's fault.

Which is it?

The natural response would probably be something along the lines of how his team isn't responding because there's not really a solid authority figure around, but that would only indicate to me that FSU has went and recruited a bunch of delicate flowers.

The problem with Bowden is that he seems to meddle in everything for the worse. Hiring bad coaches (Amato) because of personal relationships. Sticking with his son at offensive coordinator despite the fact that he was an abject failure as a coach. etc. The defense, yes, is Bowden's fault. Offense has been fine for the majority of this season thanks to Jimbo.

Have a feeling that Bobby's coming back, but more or less as a figurehead. Jimbo's going to be given the power to pick the defensive coaching staff for 2010. Recruits are going to be told that this is Bowden's last year. Jimbo and Bowden will share head coaching powers in 2010, and Jimbo will take over by himself in 2011.

Geeez what a drama queen bowden is. I've never seen an 80 year old man with such an ego.

I watched the entire game yesterday and I didnt see one FSU sideline shot of Bowden interacting with the players or contributing to the game. Just looking confused, pacing back and forth being followed by that dude carrying his headphones for him.

I've had the opinion for several years that Bowden refusing to leave has hurt the team and the program.

That could be. There is something to be said about the ego allowing you to think that every decision you make is gold because of the past successes you've had. I mean, we see that with Al Davis, who was arguably a very bright man in his own heyday. I still say that assistants make a huge difference in major college football, so, yeah, the talent of your assistants can make the difference between mediocrity and BCS-caliber teams.

GAT_00 2009-11-29 01:05:34 AM Good, that means JoePa can keep the title for most wins ever no problem.
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Well, Bowden got like 10 removed for some rule violations so JoePa has the win lead pretty well secured.

But yeah, he can breathe easy once Bowden retires. Maybe he'll even retire himself knowing Bowden can't swipe it back :)

The Bobby Bowden Show was quietly replaced w/ Seminole Sports Magazine today.

hehe

Steed Lankershim: Geeez what a drama queen bowden is. I've never seen an 80 year old man with such an ego.

I watched the entire game yesterday and I didnt see one FSU sideline shot of Bowden interacting with the players or contributing to the game. Just looking confused, pacing back and forth being followed by that dude carrying his headphones for him.

I've had the opinion for several years that Bowden refusing to leave has hurt the team and the program.

It goes beyond being a drama queen or meddler - he's afraid he is going to die once he retires. There were a few interviews he gave a while back where he spelled this out and would reference Bear Bryant's death within a month of his own retirement as evidence. In his mind, he will live forever so long as he continues coaching. How you get someone in that frame of mind to step aside gracefully is beyond me.

That, and trying to keep pace with Paterno. If the NCAA officially declines FSU's appeal regarding the vacated wins, someone may be able to talk him into retiring gracefully (his immortality could be this grand program he helped build and ensuring it continues on, drag the program down and no one will remember the great times when you're gone). If those wins are reinstated, I expect him and Joepa to be coaching until one is wheeled off the field in a body bag.

Crashtest: his mind, he will live forever so long as he continues coaching. How you get someone in that frame of mind to step aside gracefully is beyond me.

That, and trying to keep pace with Paterno. If the NCAA officially declines FSU's appeal regarding the vacated wins, someone may be able to talk him into retiring gracefully (his immortality could be this grand program he helped build and ensuring it continues on, drag the program down and no one will remember the great times when you're gone). If those wins are reinstated, I expect him and Joepa to be coaching until one is wheeled off the field in a body bag.

Nah, if Joepa dies we'll just say that he's decided to hand over play-calling duties to one of his assistants, have him stuffed and put him up in the coach's box.

dreadpiratecaleb: i'm guessing you haven't seen any of our last 3 home games. the stands were pretty vacant. were i on a bowl committee i wouldn't suggest FSU (hard for me to say, come from a noles family) cause they can't even get people to drive from down the street, much less across the country

Well, thanks to the magic of conference bids and there being only 61 possible teams over .500 (two of which - UConn and Hawaii - haven't clinched that honor yet), FSU is currently in line to be the seventh bid out of the ACC, which, unless some really weird things happen (Clemson winning, enough BCS votes go GT's way afterwards, etc), means they're most likely going to the Music City Bowl.*

*There are three bowls assigned to the #5/6/7 teams in the ACC. FSU went to the Emerald last year, and Meineke'd be nuts not to pick UNC, hence FSU to Nashville in my mind, even if they went there in 2007.

Eat it, dickcheese.

PS- You can have the junior college wins.

Go away, Bobby. Just shut up and leave.
The man makes five times as much as JoePa but has never given back a sizeable donation to the university.
An assistant coach who left over ten years ago (when Bowden presumably had some shred of a work ethic left) called Bowden "the only head coach in America who watches the five o'clock news".
They had to stop replaying game film during his call-in show about three years ago because he can't even follow the action.
On three occasions this season has asked reporters during the postgame interviews "were we up at halftime?"
His wife, with Bobby right beside her, told reporters that FSU needs them more than they need FSU.
Attendance is in the low fifties. When attendance is only 60,000, it costs the community around $2.5 million dollars in lost revenue, who knows what the last few games cost?

And yet the talking heads at ESPN still say he should be allowed to coach as long as he wants. The same network that routinely runs stories that Bowden has lost control of the program. What a joke.

Fizpez: steelpeg: The Seminoles finished an up-and-down regular season 6-6 and are expected to receive a bowl bid.

WTF??

I forget which coach or broadcaster said it (was just this year) but his words brought the bowl picture into perfect clarity and should be the absolute Boobies in any college football thread which might even tangentially touch on the bowls:

The bowls are about MAKING MONEY for the bowl cities, organizers and teams. If Texas and Florida were the only two teams in the world who could draw 80,000 to a neutral site then they would play for the "making money roseoragnefiesta national championship sponsored by pulanweedeatertostitoscornchips" every year - even if they went 1-11 each.

The reality is they're not interested in who really deserves a shot through a playoffs, assuming you can make at least some case for inclusion the teams that bring fans and money to a bowl get to go - otherwise piss-off. Of course this means that the haves stay haves and the have-nots (since they never get the big-payoff) stay have-nots.

I agree that the bowl system is about money, Im sure we all do but thats why the WTF!!!!. Does any bowl comittee seriously believe FSU fans (a group used to success) will go anywhere to see this years team play another game? I'd think most of them would pay not to have to watch this team play again.