For them even to have a chance at the BCS was a complete joke in the first place.

I'm surprised it took all season to expose this fraud. Finally.

Pardon my ignorance, but why does one loss mean that they are not BCS eligible?

A shutout? Not even a farking field goal? lol

Toots McGee: I'm surprised it took all season to expose this fraud. Finally.

they only played 1 team before this and they had two losses. they were exposed. blame preseason rankings, they go a long long way.

Di Atribe: Pardon my ignorance, but why does one loss mean that they are not BCS eligible?

3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

12349876: Di Atribe: Pardon my ignorance, but why does one loss mean that they are not BCS eligible?

3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

/if you don't win your conference

Di Atribe: Pardon my ignorance, but why does one loss mean that they are not BCS eligible?

you have to be top 14 and everyone assumes the pollsters aren't stupid enough to keep them there after a shutout loss. the pollsters are pretty farking stupid though so we'll see.

12349876: 3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

I thought you had to have 10 wins, but toMAYto, toMAHto, at this point.

Also, they lost despite Oklahoma doing everything they possibly could to hand the game to them within the first quarter or so.

This opens the door for both Boise State AND TCU to make BCS bowls, which will be nice.

I know nothing about college football, but that headline seriously made me laugh.

the ACC needs a fail thread for having their two championship game teams go down to bad SEC teams

12349876: 3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

falcon176: you have to be top 14 and everyone assumes the pollsters aren't stupid enough to keep them there after a shutout loss. the pollsters are pretty farking stupid though so we'll see.

So... making a BCS bowl is based on the opinions of the pollsters? But if you win your conference you're in?

Please keep in mind that a big reason I can't get into college football is because their playoffs appear to be completely farked.

IAmRight: This opens the door for both Boise State AND TCU to make BCS bowls, which will be nice.

Does this mean TCU has a better chance at a bowl?

Di Atribe: 12349876: 3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

falcon176: you have to be top 14 and everyone assumes the pollsters aren't stupid enough to keep them there after a shutout loss. the pollsters are pretty farking stupid though so we'll see.

So... making a BCS bowl is based on the opinions of the pollsters? But if you win your conference you're in?

Please keep in mind that a big reason I can't get into college football is because their playoffs appear to be completely farked.

IAmRight: This opens the door for both Boise State AND TCU to make BCS bowls, which will be nice.

Does this mean TCU has a better chance at a bowl?

yes college football is all opinion. they have a charade computer poll that they constantly fark with year after year to make it agree with the pollster opinion.
TCU gets an auto bid for being the highest ranked top 14 non BCS team.

falcon176: the ACC needs a fail thread for having their two championship game teams go down to bad SEC teams

The fact the ACC gets a BCS berth while the MWC doesn't is one of the best arguments for eliminating the system.

Di Atribe:

So... making a BCS bowl is based on the opinions of the pollsters? But if you win your conference you're in?

Please keep in mind that a big reason I can't get into college football is because their playoffs appear to be completely farked.

IAmRight: This opens the door for both Boise State AND TCU to make BCS bowls, which will be nice.

Does this mean TCU has a better chance at a bowl?

The top division in college doesn't have a playoff, and, yes, a combination of voters and computer polls determine the National Champion. It's a joke. And TCU is probably in regardless as they will be the top non-BCS team. What it does is help Boise State, who only have to beat a pathetic New Mexico State team to remain undefeated.

12349876: Di Atribe: Pardon my ignorance, but why does one loss mean that they are not BCS eligible?

3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

Uh, no.

If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:

A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.

IAmRight: 12349876: 3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

I thought you had to have 10 wins, but toMAYto, toMAHto, at this point.

Also, they lost despite Oklahoma doing everything they possibly could to hand the game to them within the first quarter or so.

This opens the door for both Boise State AND TCU to make BCS bowls, which will be nice.

Boise State is almost a lock now.

Automatic berths:

Florida/Alabama winner
Texas/Nebraska winner
Cincinnati/Pitt winner
Georgia Tech/Clemson winner
Oregon/Oregon State winner
TCU
Ohio State

That leaves three at-large berths.

The Florida/Alabama loser will take one of those. Before Pitt and Oklahoma State lost, it looked like the Fiesta Bowl would take OSU and Pitt would get the other BCS berth if they lost to Cincinnati.

Now, if Pitt wins, Cincinnati may still get that BCS berth, but that still leaves 1 at-large berth for Boise State.

So probably the only way that Boise State doesn't get a BCS berth is if Nebraska somehow beats Texas.

If that happens, and Pitt beats Cincinnati, the consolation for the fans of underdogs is that there's a very good chance that TCU would get into the BCS championship game -- though if it ended up being an SEC Championship rematch, that would be a PR disaster. Especially if the SEC Championship is a blowout.

Di Atribe
So... making a BCS bowl is based on the opinions of the pollsters? But if you win your conference you're in?

Making a BCS bowl is determined by the officials from that bowl. However, the pool they select from is limited to the top 14 teams in the BCS rankings. Also, they must include the 6 BCS conference champions, even if they aren't in the top 14. Also, they must take the highest ranked undefeated mid-major (but not any undefeated mid-major. The final restriction is that they can't take three teams from any one conference (so no Iowa, Penn State, and Ohio State.) They can pick any eligible team for an at-large bid, so a #14 Penn State could easily get in over a #5 Boise State, as Penn State alumni will spend more money to travel.

Automatic Qualification

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game.

2. The champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, and Southeastern conferences will have automatic berths in one of the participating bowls through the 2013 regular season.

3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. (Note: a second team may be eligible for at-large eligibility as noted below.) If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be considered for at-large selection if it meets the criteria.

4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier, provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.

6. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if no team qualifies under paragraph No. 5 and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.

At-Large Eligibility

If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:

A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then the Bowls can select as an at-large team any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15-18, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.

If expansion of the pool to 18 teams does not result in 10 teams eligible for selection, then the pool shall be expanded by blocks of 4 teams until 10 eligible teams are available subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15 or lower, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.

Relative to the two preceding paragraphs, all teams ranked in the top 14, other than those from conferences which have already had two teams selected, must be included in the bowl selections.

Note: in order to participate in a BCS Bowl game, a team (i) must be eligible for post-season play under the rules of the NCAA and, if it not an independent, under the rules of its conference and (ii) must not have imposed sanctions upon itself prohibiting participation in a post-season game for infractions of the rules of the NCAA or the rules of its conference.

Team Selection Procedures

The bowls will select their participants from two pools: (1) automatic qualifiers, all of which must be selected, and, (2) at-large teams, if fewer than 10 teams qualify automatically. The following sequence will be used when establishing pairings:

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will be placed in the National Championship Game ("NCG").

2. Unless they qualify to play in the NCG, the champions of selected conferences are contractually committed to host selected games:

Atlantic Coast Conference-Orange Bowl
Big Ten Conference-Rose Bowl
Big 12 Conference-Fiesta Bowl
Pac-10 Conference-Rose Bowl
Southeastern Conference-Sugar Bowl

3. If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. If the Rose Bowl loses both the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions to the NCG, it will receive two replacement picks.

(For the games of January 2011 through 2014, the first year the Rose Bowl loses a team to the NCG and a team from the non-AQ group is an automatic qualifier, that non-AQ team will play in the Rose Bowl.)

A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following:

A. A team in the NCG;
B. The host team for another BCS Bowl;
C. When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents.

4. After steps No. 1, 2 and 3 have been completed, any bowl with an unfilled slot shall select a team from the automatic qualifiers and/or at-large teams in the following order for the games played in 2007 through 2010:

A. The bowl played on the date nearest to the National Championship Game will pick first;
B. The bowl played on the date second-nearest to the National Championship Game will pick second;
C. The bowl hosting the game that is played in the time slot immediately after the Rose Bowl game will pick third.

The selection order noted in paragraphs A, B and C is as follows:


January 2007 games: Sugar, Orange, Fiesta
January 2008 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar
January 2009 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange
January 2010 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar


D. The selection order for the games of 2011 through 2014 will be as follows:


January 2011 games: Sugar, Orange, Fiesta
January 2012 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange
January 2013 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange
January 2014 games: Orange, Sugar, Fiesta

All teams earning automatic berths must be selected.

5. After completion of the selection process as described in Paragraph Nos. 1-4, the conferences and Notre Dame may, but are not required to, adjust the pairings taking into consideration the following:

A. whether the same team will be playing in the same bowl game for two consecutive years;
B. whether two teams that played against one another in the regular season will be paired against one another in a bowl game;
C. whether the same two teams will play against each other in a bowl game for two consecutive years; and
D. whether alternative pairings may have greater or lesser appeal to college football fans as measured by expected ticket sales for the bowls and by expected television interest, and the consequent financial impact on Fox and the bowls.

The pairings may not be altered by removing the Big Ten Champion or Pac-10 champion from the Rose Bowl.

Also, for those who haven't been following college football too closely, here's my guesses for the breakdown, as I feel pretty comfortable about predicting the outcome of all games except the SEC championship:

NCG: Florida/Bama winner vs. Texas (winner: SEC)
Rose: Oregon vs. Ohio State (winner: Oregon)
Orange: GT vs. Penn State (winner: who cares)
Sugar: Bama/Florida loser vs. TCU (winner: TCU)
Fiesta: Cincinnati vs. VT (winner: Cinci)

I wish Boise State would get a bid, and that TCU could get a shot at the championship, but I think that's how it's going to be. All those games should be pretty one-sided except for the championship and maybe the Orange (but who cares about either of those teams.) Anybody have a disagreement with my guesses?

Palmer Eldritch: & Larry Mahnken:

Thank you both for the explanations. My brain is all melty now.

Seems like it's quite complicated and rife with politics. I'll just say that I hope Texas & TCU do some special stuff and try not to worry about why they are where they are.

Palmer Eldritch: Also, for those who haven't been following college football too closely, here's my guesses for the breakdown, as I feel pretty comfortable about predicting the outcome of all games except the SEC championship:

NCG: Florida/Bama winner vs. Texas (winner: SEC)
Rose: Oregon vs. Ohio State (winner: Oregon)
Orange: GT vs. Penn State (winner: who cares)
Sugar: Bama/Florida loser vs. TCU (winner: TCU)
Fiesta: Cincinnati vs. VT (winner: Cinci)

I wish Boise State would get a bid, and that TCU could get a shot at the championship, but I think that's how it's going to be. All those games should be pretty one-sided except for the championship and maybe the Orange (but who cares about either of those teams.) Anybody have a disagreement with my guesses?

Since you feel either SEC team would beat Texas, and TCU would beat either SEC team, you feel TCU is the best team in the nation?

SharkTrager
Since you feel either SEC team would beat Texas, and TCU would beat either SEC team, you feel TCU is the best team in the nation?

...I guess I kind of do. However, there's also the whole "oh we lost the SEC championship game, why even get off the bus" factor which all the Bama fans were claiming was the reason they lost last year. While Utah was the better team, I think the game would have been closer if Bama had played a little harder in the first quarter.

That being said, going into the bowl games last year, I thought USC was the best team in the nation, and Utah was second-best... and I stood by those views afterward. I also put money on Florida over Oklahoma, and was right there too, but I also gave that same person Ohio State +10 vs. Texas, so I ended up losing money as those were the only two bets I made (and the OSU one was bigger.) Live and learn.

Palmer Eldritch: SharkTrager
Since you feel either SEC team would beat Texas, and TCU would beat either SEC team, you feel TCU is the best team in the nation?

...I guess I kind of do. However, there's also the whole "oh we lost the SEC championship game, why even get off the bus" factor which all the Bama fans were claiming was the reason they lost last year. While Utah was the better team, I think the game would have been closer if Bama had played a little harder in the first quarter.

That being said, going into the bowl games last year, I thought USC was the best team in the nation, and Utah was second-best... and I stood by those views afterward. I also put money on Florida over Oklahoma, and was right there too, but I also gave that same person Ohio State +10 vs. Texas, so I ended up losing money as those were the only two bets I made (and the OSU one was bigger.) Live and learn.

K, betting against Oklahoma in a BCS bowl is usually just common sense, but betting ON Ohio State? Really? Were you high?

No, I bet on Texas, and I gave the other guy 10 points. It was the only way he'd take the bet. I knew the Big 10 sucked, and I knew the Big 12 couldn't play D, but I didn't realize that the Big 12 sucked almost as much as the Big 10.

However, I got my lulz (cool story, bro time): When I paid him, he was all happy and excited and crowing about how I didn't believe in OSU. I said (paraphrasing): "Wait. Your team just lost in a bowl game, and you're celebrating because they kept it respectable?

Before that, I thought the expression "his face fell" was just something they said in books, but darned if I don't completely understand what it means now.

Palmer Eldritch: No, I bet on Texas, and I gave the other guy 10 points. It was the only way he'd take the bet. I knew the Big 10 sucked, and I knew the Big 12 couldn't play D, but I didn't realize that the Big 12 sucked almost as much as the Big 10.

However, I got my lulz (cool story, bro time): When I paid him, he was all happy and excited and crowing about how I didn't believe in OSU. I said (paraphrasing): "Wait. Your team just lost in a bowl game, and you're celebrating because they kept it respectable?

Before that, I thought the expression "his face fell" was just something they said in books, but darned if I don't completely understand what it means now.

As long as you didn't willingly bet on OSU in a BCS game. Certain things just aren't done by sane people.

Larry Mahnken: 4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

I suppose this is not news to many, but really? Notre Dame actually has its own rule in the BCS rulebook?

A question: the BCS rules states that the 2 per conference rule is pretty much void if 1 and 2 are in the same conference because they automatically qualify for "the National Championship". Now, if Texas loses to Nebraska and Cinci loses to Putt, TCU should get the second spot. If that happens, isn't technically the automatic bid for non-BCS conferences once again available? I mean typically bowls replace the "Championship" contenders with teams from the same conference (see Illinois in 2007), why wouldn't they make TCU's "repllacement" another non-BCS team?

Oh yeah, they are farking biased pricks.

Thenixon: Larry Mahnken: 4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

I suppose this is not news to many, but really? Notre Dame actually has its own rule in the BCS rulebook?

They're the only FBS team that's an independent. Because autobids are determined by conference, they had to have something. They should join the Big 10 and call it the Small 12.

It seems that as much money is involved in getting these BCS bids, and as biased as these rules seem... it's a wonder no one's sued yet.

Palmer Eldritch: Also, for those who haven't been following college football too closely, here's my guesses for the breakdown, as I feel pretty comfortable about predicting the outcome of all games except the SEC championship:

NCG: Florida/Bama winner vs. Texas (winner: SEC)
Rose: Oregon vs. Ohio State (winner: Oregon)
Orange: GT vs. Penn State (winner: who cares)
Sugar: Bama/Florida loser vs. TCU (winner: TCU)
Fiesta: Cincinnati vs. VT (winner: Cinci)

I wish Boise State would get a bid, and that TCU could get a shot at the championship, but I think that's how it's going to be. All those games should be pretty one-sided except for the championship and maybe the Orange (but who cares about either of those teams.) Anybody have a disagreement with my guesses?

Yeah. VT isn't gonna be in a BCS bowl.

Di Atribe: 12349876: 3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

falcon176: you have to be top 14 and everyone assumes the pollsters aren't stupid enough to keep them there after a shutout loss. the pollsters are pretty farking stupid though so we'll see.

So... making a BCS bowl is based on the opinions of the pollsters? But if you win your conference you're in?

Please keep in mind that a big reason I can't get into college football is because their playoffs appear to be completely farked.

IAmRight: This opens the door for both Boise State AND TCU to make BCS bowls, which will be nice.

Does this mean TCU has a better chance at a bowl?

I really did laugh out loud. There are no "playoffs" in the traditional sense. Right now the BCS does a really good job at picking the top 2 teams for a championship game. And sometimes it can't even do that right.

I've always thought college football and basketball have always had it completely switched in how they should decide postseason play. A committee should be deciding football and the computers should be more involved in basketball.

I really want TCU to get a shot at the title. They have had a solid program for many years now, and have earned the shot at a title. Let's go Nebraska!

So if TCU wins their bowl game does that mean they could be considered co-champs? It would only be fair.

/Go Texas!

TheJoe03: So if TCU wins their bowl game does that mean they could be considered co-champs? It would only be fair.

/Go Texas!

Nope. They would need Texas to lose to Nebraska and to end up in the title game. They could win one of the polls, but the BCS champ will come from the "Championship Game" in Pasadena.

SharkTrager: TheJoe03: So if TCU wins their bowl game does that mean they could be considered co-champs? It would only be fair.

/Go Texas!

Nope. They would need Texas to lose to Nebraska and to end up in the title game. They could win one of the polls, but the BCS champ will come from the "Championship Game" in Pasadena.

I still think TCU will need for cincy to lose as well, I think that cincy would end up jumping them from some sort of voter correction nonsense that they used a few years ago.

They wont let them in there since they arent in the bcs conferences.


Oh and we knew Ok State sucked when UGA had a decent shot at beating them with a sick cox playing, god that kids horrible, oh well only one more game and then hes gone.

SharkTrager: TheJoe03: So if TCU wins their bowl game does that mean they could be considered co-champs? It would only be fair.

/Go Texas!

Nope. They would need Texas to lose to Nebraska and to end up in the title game. They could win one of the polls, but the BCS champ will come from the "Championship Game" in Pasadena.

But wasn't USC a co-champion with some SEC school a few years back? It might not be the "BCS" champion but I've heard of "AP" champion. This system is garbage. My team benefits but it is so obvious that no team from a non BCS conference will ever make it to the big game. What is the point of them even participating?

TheJoe03: SharkTrager: TheJoe03: So if TCU wins their bowl game does that mean they could be considered co-champs? It would only be fair.

/Go Texas!

Nope. They would need Texas to lose to Nebraska and to end up in the title game. They could win one of the polls, but the BCS champ will come from the "Championship Game" in Pasadena.

But wasn't USC a co-champion with some SEC school a few years back? It might not be the "BCS" champion but I've heard of "AP" champion. This system is garbage. My team benefits but it is so obvious that no team from a non BCS conference will ever make it to the big game. What is the point of them even participating?

It's not really a co-champ, more like a different championship. The team that wins it calls it a co-championship, but the BCS is generally considered the real deal.

Frankly, even with that, TCU will not win a split. The BCS champ will also win all the major polls. The best TCU could hope for is to somehow win a computer ranking nobody cares about.

seabass242: I really want TCU to get a shot at the title. They have had a solid program for many years now, and have earned the shot at a title. Let's go Nebraska!

They need to start handing out special exemptions to this nonsense. TCU, Utah, Boise and BYU should be considered BSC teams as long as they have 1 or less losses. I'd still put the top half of the mountain west up against any conference except the SEC and Big 12.

What's the BCS conferences excuse going to be when TCU and Boise win both their games? That will make non BSC teams 5-1 in BCS games.

I say they just draw up some silly farce of a contract with a bowl game that declares the winner of THAT game the "Fair and Righteous College Football Champion." They can even have a clause where they invite the BSC #1 team so that team has to turn down the game and look slightly cowardly.

/3 favorite teams are Texas, TCU, and Boise

Thenixon: I suppose this is not news to many, but really? Notre Dame actually has its own rule in the BCS rulebook?

They're not in a conference; they have to have some means of getting in. I guess they didn't really worry about Army or Navy getting a top 8 spot or anything since they're never going to be great again.

TheJoe03: What is the point of them even participating?

They wouldn't make any money off the backs of the big programs if they played in a smaller division. And every BCS game participant earns the same payout as those participating in the "BCS championship game". They're after the money, same as anyone else. Except they don't actually generate any of it.

It's like going all in for say, $20K in Hold'em, and everyone else is raising it to $1 million or so, and thinking that because you're all in, you should have a right to the entire pot if your cards win. You don't. Just take what you get with your small blind and use it to build up your stack until you're one of the people with the big money.

TheJoe03: But wasn't USC a co-champion with some SEC school a few years back?

Somehow the BCS formulas decided not to factor in Oklahoma's getting their asses raped in the Big XII title game. The polls had USC as #1 before the bowls but the computers had OU ahead of them, even after losing 35-7, and not even being their own conference's champion.

The SEC fans are mad about the shared championship, despite the fact that they should be thanking their lucky stars, as USC would've violently sodomized either of those pathetic teams, similar to what they did to the frauds from Oklahoma in the next season.

If they'd stop sending Big XII teams that can't even win their conference to the title game, it would be nice.

Dafatone: Thenixon: Larry Mahnken: 4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

I suppose this is not news to many, but really? Notre Dame actually has its own rule in the BCS rulebook?

They're the only FBS team that's an independent. Because autobids are determined by conference, they had to have something. They should join the Big 10 and call it the Small 12.

Just out of curiosity... what about Army and Navy? They're both independent, aren't they? The rule doesn't refer to independent teams in general - just Notre Dame.

I realize the chances or Army or Navy ever competing for a BCS spot are slim to none, but the rule still seems kinda strange. Who's to say a team won't join the ranks of the independents in the future? What happens if Boise St said "You know what, screw this system, let's try something different"?

fark the Sooners and their white trash okie school.

/Their football team played like retards during the BCS title game in 2004.

NKURyan: Who's to say a team won't join the ranks of the independents in the future?

Independents tend to come from FCS. They're not top teams.

There's a very distinct pattern: Teams go from Div II to FCS to FBS independent to FBS conference to BCS conference. There's very little, if any, going back (I'd guess SMU would be the closest I can think of, pre-BCS era). Joining a conference guarantees games for a team, guarantees money for a team, and secures bowl possibilities.

The_Sponge: /Their football team played like retards during the BCS title game in 2004.

That's just how much better USC was than anyone else.

/how about at least being mad at them for '03, when they deserved it, somehow getting into a title game without winning their own conference.

IAmRight: NKURyan: W(I'd guess SMU would be the closest I can think of, pre-BCS era).

On a lighter note, SMU got win #7 and should be back in a bowl. That June Jones does not suck.

Ziegenbak: On a lighter note, SMU got win #7 and should be back in a bowl. That June Jones does not suck.

OTOH, WSU beat them. And WSU is awful.

/sure it was the luckiest thing ever, but still

IAmRight: The SEC fans are mad about the shared championship, despite the fact that they should be thanking their lucky stars, as USC would've violently sodomized either of those pathetic teams, similar to what they did to the frauds from Oklahoma in the next season.

:roll-eyes image:

do you ever lay off the homer-ism?

LurkerIndeed: do you ever lay off the homer-ism?

You new here?
The answer is no.

I new the moment I saw oSu on the cover of SI this season was done.

Still, if you told me the team would be 9-3 after losing its two best weapons, I'd have told you to go fly a kite! (language!)

The fact is, the Pokes shouldn't have been in the BCS picture. They're an above average team, that's about it. Would they be better with Dez Bryant and a healthy Kendal Hunter and Zac Robinson? Absolutely, but this is the hand they were dealt. Great teams overcome it, good teams continue to scratch and claw. To me, that's what the Cowboys did. They scratched and clawed, but they just weren't great. Oklahoma is a beast at home, but its still no excuse for being shutout or even losing. As it was pointed out earlier, the Cowboys had every opportunity to win that game in the first quarter for godsake. But that ain't gonna happen if your calling a screen pass or a run up the middle on 3rd and 9, Gundy, you horses ass! . . . anyway . . . The point is, as a oSu homer myself, Chokelahoma State is appropriate in this instance.


And to the Sooner homers out there. Your still third in the conference, behind the red-headed step-child in the state even though you beat them. You still got beat anytime you left your own yard by any team not a cupcake. Cheer for the win, but shut your mouths after that. You've got nothing to cheer about this season.

/Go Pokes

Palmer Eldritch: Also, for those who haven't been following college football too closely, here's my guesses for the breakdown, as I feel pretty comfortable about predicting the outcome of all games except the SEC championship:

NCG: Florida/Bama winner vs. Texas (winner: SEC)
Rose: Oregon vs. Ohio State (winner: Oregon)
Orange: GT vs. Penn State (winner: who cares)
Sugar: Bama/Florida loser vs. TCU (winner: TCU)
Fiesta: Cincinnati vs. VT (winner: Cinci)

I wish Boise State would get a bid, and that TCU could get a shot at the championship, but I think that's how it's going to be. All those games should be pretty one-sided except for the championship and maybe the Orange (but who cares about either of those teams.) Anybody have a disagreement with my guesses?


And you're putting Penn State instead of Iowa, who beat them, why? Iowa is ranked higher in the BCS standings, too, and travels as well as Penn State. Unless they ignore all that and go by TV ratings, Iowa gets the bid ahead of the Lions.

12349876: 12349876: Di Atribe: Pardon my ignorance, but why does one loss mean that they are not BCS eligible?

3 total losses = NO BCS FOR YOU

/if you don't win your conference

The 2007 Fighting Illini might disagree with you on that.

/yes, i know they probably didnt deserve to go to the Rose Bowl
//yes, i know they got their asses handed to them by USC
///went to U of I, don't get to talk about recent football 'greatness' often