so, who isn't exempt then?

Maintenance.

I have decided to quit drinking.*

* Except for beer, wine, whiskey, Jagermeister, schnapps, sake, Sterno, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, bourbon, rye, Everclear, brandy, Kahlua, sangria, margaritas, champagne, tequila, scotch, porter, sherry and barley wine.

SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Ralph, the white guy who was gonna apply for girls' locker room bench licker cleaner.

Sensei Can You See: I have decided to quit drinking.*

* Except for beer, wine, whiskey, Jagermeister, schnapps, sake, Sterno, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, bourbon, rye, Everclear, brandy, Kahlua, sangria, margaritas, champagne, tequila, scotch, porter, sherry and barley wine.

So no absinthe? I hear it makes the heart grow fonder.

SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Most of the classified staff.

People who don't work in education often underestimate how many people are actually involved. The classified staff (office staff, IT, human resources staff, payroll staff, etc.) are the people who make it possible for teachers to do their jobs. Unfortunately, budget cuts are going to limit staff, which will make teachers' jobs more difficult, which will negatively impact the quality of students' education.

Sensei Can You See: I have decided to quit drinking.*

* Except for beer, wine, whiskey, Jagermeister, schnapps, sake, Sterno, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, bourbon, rye, Everclear, brandy, Kahlua, sangria, margaritas, champagne, tequila, scotch, porter, sherry and barley wine.

Yeah, water will kill you.

In best-case scenarios, about 60 cents of every dollar spent on education actually reaches the classroom. So cutting out the overhead involved in maintaining what's often highly redundant, wasteful, ineffective central office staff is an excellent way to start any attempt at education reform. It's a very small start, but it's something.

Of course, of that supposed 60 cents, anywhere up to a third or more of it, depending on the district, is gobbled up specifically by special education and ESOL/ESL classes and never sees a "mainstream" classroom at all. And a growing percentage is shunted to mindless test prep and NCLB remediative activities that haven't the slightest relation to learning. It's a bad situation that's getting worse, and there's no light on the horizon.

SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Ernest P. Worrell.

If you've seen the Ernest movies, it's a typical course of action meant to keep Ernest from using gardening equipment to fight a group of mobsters or digging up the football field in an attempt to find buried treasure or something of the sort.

This goes double for Zombie Ernest P. Worrell.

This is made abundantly clear by the "No Zombie Ernest" clause.

Why are there police officers in schools?

Enrollments went up 50% where I teach because of the recession and I was laid off. In addition, 50% of the English Department. It was either this or face layoffs of "senior" faculty.

So all these students were turned away and our tax revenue sharing winds up slashed b/c of poor enrollment.

This way we can complain about the recession hurting us and demand more money! Yay!

School district initiates hiring freeze.* (*Except for teachers, principals, assistant principals, cafeteria managers, school police officers, bus drivers, teachers' assistants, education aides and special education assistants)


"Tard wranglers", as they like to be called, are very important.

Hey Fano, This is LA, the highest crime rate IS in the schools, I think they need cops.

dahmers love zombie: Sensei Can You See: I have decided to quit drinking.*

* Except for beer, wine, whiskey, Jagermeister, schnapps, sake, Sterno, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, bourbon, rye, Everclear, brandy, Kahlua, sangria, margaritas, champagne, tequila, scotch, porter, sherry and barley wine.

So no absinthe? I hear it makes the heart grow fonder.

Bravo.

/enjoys a good pun

I'm IT support for an Illinois school district so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

If the pattern shows correctly with everything California has done Illinois will follow soon. Ultimately this will destroy the support staff of a given school and will therefore weaken the effectiveness of actual learning.

Business learned early that dropping support staff ruins the company in cost overruns from 3rd party support vendors to make quick repairs here and there... Give the school district here one semester to learn from their mistake.

Just get rid of the paperpushers at headquarters. None of them are of any use.

simpsonfan: Just get rid of the paperpushers at headquarters. None of them are of any use.

THIS. Parents were both teachers, and no matter how much poverty the school system claimed, they were always hiring more admins.

Phelyx: Business learned early that dropping support staff ruins the company in cost overruns from 3rd party support vendors to make quick repairs here and there... Give the school district here one semester to learn from their mistake.

Good luck with that, the district I did IT support for cared far more about liability than cost efficiencies. Outsourcing support in fear of being sued won out constantly over actually supporting academics/education.

But..what about the grief concillors?

Good! I say that because most of the fat that can be trimmed from the educational budget is rooted in the administrative conferences that take place in such luxurious environments as Hawaii or Costa Rica. Keeping the funding in the classroom is paramount to teaching...not the extravagant funding for administrative training. Believe me, I know what I speak about here!!

Fano: simpsonfan: Just get rid of the paperpushers at headquarters. None of them are of any use.

THIS. Parents were both teachers, and no matter how much poverty the school system claimed, they were always hiring more admins.

THIS...my kids like mac n' cheese too.
/teacher

I bet the Superintendent is black. Or Mexican.

/LA?

Me and about 6 other people were paid $15,000 each from the federal government to say "our" jobs were saved because of Obama's stimulus package. Love that "Obamamoney!"

FloydA: SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Most of the classified staff.

People who don't work in education often underestimate how many people are actually involved. The classified staff (office staff, IT, human resources staff, payroll staff, etc.) are the people who make it possible for teachers to do their jobs. Unfortunately, budget cuts are going to limit staff, which will make teachers' jobs more difficult, which will negatively impact the quality of students' education.

So basically all the jobs that can be easily outsourced to companies that specialize in these services and can offer them for a far lower cost than in-house staff?

SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Students?

Pocket Ninja: In best-case scenarios, about 60 cents of every dollar spent on education actually reaches the classroom. So cutting out the overhead involved in maintaining what's often highly redundant, wasteful, ineffective central office staff is an excellent way to start any attempt at education reform. It's a very small start, but it's something.

Of course, of that supposed 60 cents, anywhere up to a third or more of it, depending on the district, is gobbled up specifically by special education and ESOL/ESL classes and never sees a "mainstream" classroom at all. And a growing percentage is shunted to mindless test prep and NCLB remediative activities that haven't the slightest relation to learning. It's a bad situation that's getting worse, and there's no light on the horizon.

And the rest of it goes to the athletics department.

SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Mimes!

Support staff are varying degrees of vital (custodial) and meh, but "human resources" are almost useless. I have never worked anywhere that they didn't exaggerate their importance to the organization wildly. For example, interviews. Short of the hire being a felon, who the fark cares what HR thinks? The decision is made by the supervisor with input from the other staff. This includes teachers.

Sensei Can You See: I have decided to quit drinking.*

* Except for beer, wine, whiskey, Jagermeister, schnapps, sake, Sterno, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, bourbon, rye, Everclear, brandy, Kahlua, sangria, margaritas, champagne, tequila, scotch, porter, sherry and barley wine.

Man, giving up rum, vodak, and gin?

We must stop hiring custodians!!!


/snark

Bacontastesgood: Support staff are varying degrees of vital (custodial) and meh, but "human resources" are almost useless. I have never worked anywhere that they didn't exaggerate their importance to the organization wildly. For example, interviews. Short of the hire being a felon, who the fark cares what HR thinks? The decision is made by the supervisor with input from the other staff. This includes teachers.

But without HR, who would tell us that sexual harassment is bad? And who would conduct half-day multiple choice tests that provide a thorough and complete summary of an individual's entire personality?

Englebert Slaptyback: School district initiates hiring freeze.* (*Except for teachers, principals, assistant principals, cafeteria managers, school police officers, bus drivers, teachers' assistants, education aides and special education assistants)


"Tard wranglers", as they like to be called, are very important.

Nice. Very classy...

So subby, basically anyone that isn't unionized?

about the only thing not on that list is custoidal staff.

A u d I t. T h e. D I s t r I c t.

The only exceptions to the hiring freeze will be for classroom teachers, principals, assistant principals, cafeteria managers, school police officers, bus drivers teachers' assistants, education aides, special education assistants and plant managers.

Just pointing out that these three jobs are required to have a certain ratio. The last one, my job (not a tard wrangler, thank you), is required by law. So they'll have to keep paying me a whopping 14 grand a year.

Seattle has had a hiring freeze for almost 2 years now. I feel bad for the kids just graduating with their teachers certificates and not able to find any jobs. Of course, I haven't been able to get a job for almost a year, so I know how bad it is.

Sensei Can You See: I have decided to quit drinking.*

* Except for beer, wine, whiskey, Jagermeister, schnapps, sake, Sterno, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, bourbon, rye, Everclear, brandy, Kahlua, sangria, margaritas, champagne, tequila, scotch, porter, sherry and barley wine.

Walnut extract from the baking shelf in the kitchen and mouthwash and cologne from the bathroom conspicuously absent.

As a math teacher in Texas, let me just say that I am glad this isn't happening here.

I resigned from my old teaching position 2 months before the school year ended because I wanted to be back in a big city. I forgot to apply everywhere and ended up applying for a new job really late (It is hard to feel pressed for money when you get paid thru the summer). I had two interviews in 1 day about a month before the new school year and got offers from both school the day following my interview.

Damn it feels good to teach math =)

The only exceptions to the hiring freeze will be for classroom teachers, principals, assistant principals, cafeteria managers, school police officers, bus drivers teachers' assistants, education aides, special education assistants and plant managers.

oh my.. that is an epic LOL

t0ksik: As a math teacher in Texas, let me just say that I am glad this isn't happening here.

I resigned from my old teaching position 2 months before the school year ended because I wanted to be back in a big city. I forgot to apply everywhere and ended up applying for a new job really late (It is hard to feel pressed for money when you get paid thru the summer). I had two interviews in 1 day about a month before the new school year and got offers from both school the day following my interview.

Damn it feels good to teach math =)

The availability of jobs in teaching also has a lot to do with how attractive these jobs are. I taught in a public high school for 32 years. When I started in 1970 = not too bad. By the time I retired, the state of decay was obvious, both where I taught and with everyone else I knew in the profession.

Working for $30K to start in a recession may not seem like a bad deal, white collar and all, but going to an upholstered toilet that's used for glorified babysitting is still......a toilet.

/be sure to flush

Englebert Slaptyback:

"Tard wranglers", as they like to be called, are very important.

This is a vital expense at the Tard Zapping school.

/I like pie. Rawr.

Perducci: So basically all the jobs that can be easily outsourced to companies that specialize in these services and can offer them for a far lower cost than in-house staff?

You must not be familiar with IT consulting.

Perducci: FloydA: SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Most of the classified staff.

People who don't work in education often underestimate how many people are actually involved. The classified staff (office staff, IT, human resources staff, payroll staff, etc.) are the people who make it possible for teachers to do their jobs. Unfortunately, budget cuts are going to limit staff, which will make teachers' jobs more difficult, which will negatively impact the quality of students' education.

So basically all the jobs that can be easily outsourced to companies that specialize in these services and can offer them for a far lower cost than in-house staff?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - pause - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pass over whatever you're smoking dude.

DarthBart: And the rest of it goes to the athletics department the football and/or boys' basketball teams, depending on their level of contention.

FTFY. In my high school, the football team had a stadium while everyone else either used an open field or shared a gym. Oh, wait, they did manage to get a circular track installed, so maybe they shared with T&F. Mind you, that football team never had a winning record while anyone in my family attended the school.

Thing is, this is one problem I don't blame on any Democrat, Republican or even politics in general. The state of education in our country can largely be blamed on angry parents getting exactly what they demand: A maze of meaningless tests, underfunded departments, indoctrination and knee-jerk persecution. What's left is a shattered shell of a system where any competent worker is squeezed out, leaving only a unionized pack of incompetent and corrupt perverts leading spoiled brats with as much contempt for education as they have for their own parents.

A system doesn't work if you use it to project your own failings and misfortunes. If you hit your car with a sledgehammer every time something goes wrong with your commute, the ride isn't going to get any better.

dragonchild: DarthBart: And the rest of it goes to the athletics department the football and/or boys' basketball teams, depending on their level of contention.

FTFY. In my high school, the football team had a stadium while everyone else either used an open field or shared a gym. Oh, wait, they did manage to get a circular track installed, so maybe they shared with T&F. Mind you, that football team never had a winning record while anyone in my family attended the school.

Thing is, this is one problem I don't blame on any Democrat, Republican or even politics in general. The state of education in our country can largely be blamed on angry parents getting exactly what they demand: A maze of meaningless tests, underfunded departments, indoctrination and knee-jerk persecution. What's left is a shattered shell of a system where any competent worker is squeezed out, leaving only a unionized pack of incompetent and corrupt perverts leading spoiled brats with as much contempt for education as they have for their own parents.

A system doesn't work if you use it to project your own failings and misfortunes. If you hit your car with a sledgehammer every time something goes wrong with your commute, the ride isn't going to get any better.


Wow...thank you. Would read again!!11!

WTF just deport the farking illegals and their children that shouldn't be in our schools with them. Problem solved. nuff said.

dragonchild: DarthBart: And the rest of it goes to the athletics department the football and/or boys' basketball teams, depending on their level of contention.

FTFY. In my high school, the football team had a stadium while everyone else either used an open field or shared a gym. Oh, wait, they did manage to get a circular track installed, so maybe they shared with T&F. Mind you, that football team never had a winning record while anyone in my family attended the school.

Thing is, this is one problem I don't blame on any Democrat, Republican or even politics in general. The state of education in our country can largely be blamed on angry parents getting exactly what they demand: A maze of meaningless tests, underfunded departments, indoctrination and knee-jerk persecution. What's left is a shattered shell of a system where any competent worker is squeezed out, leaving only a unionized pack of incompetent and corrupt perverts leading spoiled brats with as much contempt for education as they have for their own parents.

A system doesn't work if you use it to project your own failings and misfortunes. If you hit your car with a sledgehammer every time something goes wrong with your commute, the ride isn't going to get any better.

And that's why your posts show up in green when I'm signed in. +1

Perducci: FloydA: SushiJoe: so, who isn't exempt then?

Most of the classified staff.

People who don't work in education often underestimate how many people are actually involved. The classified staff (office staff, IT, human resources staff, payroll staff, etc.) are the people who make it possible for teachers to do their jobs. Unfortunately, budget cuts are going to limit staff, which will make teachers' jobs more difficult, which will negatively impact the quality of students' education.

So basically all the jobs that can be easily outsourced to companies that specialize in these services and can offer them for a far lower cost than in-house staff?


The "lower cost" assumption is flawed. Outside contractors can potentially provide a one-time service for less than an internal department can run for an entire year, that much is true. But if the school needs that service on a regular basis, relying on an outside contractor is actually much more expensive, since you're paying not just for the salary of technician him/herself, but also the company's markup, their insurance for the tech, the parts, the trip out to the school and back, and fees for their HR, administration and finances departments to approve the contract (companies don't give those away for free; they're hidden costs that don't appear on your bill, but they are there in the form of higher costs for the service).

If the service is something that will be needed only once every several years, then yes, keeping an employee on staff is wasteful, but if it is something that will be needed daily or weekly, it is far more economically feasible to hire someone than to contract out. That allows you to only go through the hiring process once, add that person to the pooled insurance you've already got, etc.

The notion that the private sector can always do things cheaper is simply not accurate. Private sector businesses are great at some things, not so great at other things, and definitely not a "magic" solution to problems.

scott-ty: WTF just deport the farking illegals and their children that shouldn't be in our schools with them. Problem solved. nuff said.

That has to be the dumbest thing I've read all week, and I've been grading intro class papers.