If he could fine fans for biatching about him, he would. He is a one-man coaching staff infection.

The Browns are number one.

In line for the first draft pick.

Mangini is number two. Different line altogether.

I wonder who, or what, he will blame next for his gross ineptitude?

For a man under fire for falsifying injury reports last season, I don't think he has any right to be questioning "fake" injuries.

Cleveland always gets the best coaches.

I was joking during the game that Cleveland would find a way to lose this game. Then I remembered that it was Cleveland

/Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 1999

Have fun drafting third, Detroit! We're getting Tebow, and, by God, he's going to redeem the city!

PFC Obvious: Have fun drafting third, Detroit! We're getting Tebow, and, by God, he's going to redeem the city!

That is, if Mangini doesn't bench him because his contract incentives are too high.

KradDrol: PFC Obvious: Have fun drafting third, Detroit! We're getting Tebow, and, by God, he's going to redeem the city!

That is, if Mangini doesn't bench him because his contract incentives are too high.

Does the Mangenius have any friends/respect left in the league at this point? Who is gonna hire him?

I think it's a pretty universal opinion throughout the NFL world that Mangini needs to DIAF.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse after Crennel, but Mangini proved me wrong.

O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?

I sure will miss Chick McGee's sound effect for Mangini ("....brrrrrrrrrrrrinnggggggggggggggggggggggg!") on the Bob and Tom Show once he's away from football for awhile.

Aar1012: I was joking during the game that Cleveland would find a way to lose this game. Then I remembered that it was Cleveland

/Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 1999

'99? Ninety-nine??? Are you farking kidding me?!???! I will cut you some slack if you can prove you are under 20 years old - the whole defeat from the Jaws of victory goes back well into the 80's with "The Drive" and "The Fumble" and Jordan over Ehlo and.... dammit so much.

And if you ARE under 20, and the Cavs DO manage to win one this year I would suggest you party like its the end of the world anyway because:

1) It just might be
2) It will be the only one we get in your remaining life time even if it isnt the end of the world.

Fizpez: Aar1012: I was joking during the game that Cleveland would find a way to lose this game. Then I remembered that it was Cleveland

/Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 1999

'99? Ninety-nine??? Are you farking kidding me?!???! I will cut you some slack if you can prove you are under 20 years old - the whole defeat from the Jaws of victory goes back well into the 80's with "The Drive" and "The Fumble" and Jordan over Ehlo and.... dammit so much.

And if you ARE under 20, and the Cavs DO manage to win one this year I would suggest you party like its the end of the world anyway because:

1) It just might be
2) It will be the only one we get in your remaining life time even if it isnt the end of the world.

I believe they are referring to the fact that this iteration of the Browns has only existed since '99

Mangini is also pointing out that one of the Lions' assistant coaches ran across the entire field to congratulate their TE for catching the tieing TD on that last play, and the refs didn't throw a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the PAT try.

However, his comments about the injuries and no calls are all attempts to distract the media from asking the REAL questions, the ones about why the defense let one of the worst offenses in the league look like the Colts, why he inactivated his two 2nd round picks, and why the offense suddenly started playing like they have in the past after going up 24-3 in the first quarter. He's good at doing that, you see.

/the distractions
//not the coaching
///hope he's gone soon

A bit of a threadjack, but, in light of Thanksgiving games coming up, feelings opinions thoughts rants and biatching about talks of taking Detroit completely off the Thanksgiving schedule?

I would like to keep it the same, tradition and all.

I mean, the Cowboys suck and have sucked in the past and they never proposed this before.

Did he explain why he called a timeout with :00 on the clock, allowing Detroit's injured quarterback time to get back on the field to throw the winning touchdown pass?

Yes, he said the dime and prevent defenses were on the field, there were only two linemen in that package, and suddenly it looked like Culpepper was going to run a QB sneak right through the middle of the defense. Plus, the linemen and LB's were tired from chasing Stafford all over the place, and to get everyone switched out would require another 30 yard dash down to the endzone. He felt the TO was needed to get everyone calmed down and in their proper place.

/made sense
//think I'd still have just gone with the personnel on the field

I'm just wondering why the Lions didnt' get a 10 second run off. They didn't have any timeouts to be charged when Stafford had to leave the field, and I coulda swore under 2 minutes a 10 second runoff occurs if an injury (and offensive penalty as well?) is committed.

Up and Atom: Did he explain why he called a timeout with :00 on the clock, allowing Detroit's injured quarterback time to get back on the field to throw the winning touchdown pass?

huh?

nugatory2: A bit of a threadjack, but, in light of Thanksgiving games coming up, feelings opinions thoughts rants and biatching about talks of taking Detroit completely off the Thanksgiving schedule?

I would like to keep it the same, tradition and all.

I mean, the Cowboys suck and have sucked in the past and they never proposed this before.

I think the only thing they need to change is the rotation of AFC/NFC teams that play on Thanksgiving (if they keep the same 16-game schedule format going forward, that is). Due to the nature of the new schedule format the same AFC divisions keep lining up for Thanksgiving games, in the order of East, East, South, West. Basically, if the format stays the same no AFC North teams would play at either Detroit or Dallas, no AFC South team would play at Dallas and no AFC West team would play at Detroit. Either that or nobody else cares, in which case I'll just shut up...

tommyl66: nugatory2: A bit of a threadjack, but, in light of Thanksgiving games coming up, feelings opinions thoughts rants and biatching about talks of taking Detroit completely off the Thanksgiving schedule?

I would like to keep it the same, tradition and all.

I mean, the Cowboys suck and have sucked in the past and they never proposed this before.

I think the only thing they need to change is the rotation of AFC/NFC teams that play on Thanksgiving (if they keep the same 16-game schedule format going forward, that is). Due to the nature of the new schedule format the same AFC divisions keep lining up for Thanksgiving games, in the order of East, East, South, West. Basically, if the format stays the same no AFC North teams would play at either Detroit or Dallas, no AFC South team would play at Dallas and no AFC West team would play at Detroit. Either that or nobody else cares, in which case I'll just shut up...

I appreciate the input. Thanks.

There's no 10 second runoff for an injury timeout that happens when there's less than 2:00 left in the half or the game. In that situation, if a team has used up all their TO's and there's an injured player, the refs allow them to use a 4th TO for injury purposes and the injured player must leave the field immediately.

If there's another injury TO (a 5th TO) within the 2:00 warning time, then the team is penalized 5 yards.

So the refs got it right; Stafford was hurt after the play and gave the Lions a 4th timeout to get him off the field. Mangini saw Culpepper come in and line up, and called his TO to get the defense set up. Stafford heard that Cleveland had called a TO and realized he could go back in, and did.

ihatedumbpeople: I'm just wondering why the Lions didnt' get a 10 second run off. They didn't have any timeouts to be charged when Stafford had to leave the field, and I coulda swore under 2 minutes a 10 second runoff occurs if an injury (and offensive penalty as well?) is committed.

Huh? The penalty was defensive pass interference. Not offensive. The clock was at :00. You can't have a 10 second run off. But there wouldn't have been one anyway because if the defense commits a penalty as time runs out, it's required that there be one last untimed play.

There was one injury I noticed that actually made me scratch my head, but I can't recall when it was in the game. I believe it was a DB who was down on the ground for a good amount of time, and after the trainers came over he popped right up and ran off.

Not really a big deal becuase this stuff happens all the time, but that's the only play I can think of.

Mangini is trying to dodge questions why the defense blew a 21pt first half lead.

I think when its all said and done. Mangini is a good coordinator. But not a good head coach. He demands respect, but he doesnt seem to command it like Belichick does. Its not like he has no football mind. He clearly does. But just not a head coaching mind.

on both offense and defense, players get up slowly after a play all the time. Sometimes they need a rest, sometimes they are buying a few extra seconds for their teammates, to make substitutions or to slow momentum. but these guys also get hit and beat up. it is impossible to tell when they are really hurt and when they are faking it. so they can get away with it. all i know is, they are faking it some of the time because it happens all the time now.

Fizpez: Aar1012: I was joking during the game that Cleveland would find a way to lose this game. Then I remembered that it was Cleveland

/Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 1999

'99? Ninety-nine??? Are you farking kidding me?!???! I will cut you some slack if you can prove you are under 20 years old - the whole defeat from the Jaws of victory goes back well into the 80's with "The Drive" and "The Fumble" and Jordan over Ehlo and.... dammit so much.

And if you ARE under 20, and the Cavs DO manage to win one this year I would suggest you party like its the end of the world anyway because:

1) It just might be
2) It will be the only one we get in your remaining life time even if it isnt the end of the world.

When is the 2012 superbowl? If the Indians win in 2012, the Cavs win in 2012, and the Browns win in 2012 I just might be satisfied with the world blowing up shortly thereafter.

/35yr old Browns fan

karmaceutical: Fizpez: Aar1012: I was joking during the game that Cleveland would find a way to lose this game. Then I remembered that it was Cleveland

/Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 1999

'99? Ninety-nine??? Are you farking kidding me?!???! I will cut you some slack if you can prove you are under 20 years old - the whole defeat from the Jaws of victory goes back well into the 80's with "The Drive" and "The Fumble" and Jordan over Ehlo and.... dammit so much.

And if you ARE under 20, and the Cavs DO manage to win one this year I would suggest you party like its the end of the world anyway because:

1) It just might be
2) It will be the only one we get in your remaining life time even if it isnt the end of the world.

When is the 2012 superbowl? If the Indians win in 2012, the Cavs win in 2012, and the Browns win in 2012 I just might be satisfied with the world blowing up shortly thereafter.

/35yr old Browns fan

I'm asking to win the "Powerball" jackpot, you're asking to win every single lottery, worldwide, on the same day, while getting serviced by a never ending line of underwear models.

/if you're going to go, go big I guess...

Fizpez:you're asking to win every single lottery, worldwide, on the same day, while getting serviced by a never ending line of underwear models.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Fizpez: '99? Ninety-nine??? Are you farking kidding me?!???! I will cut you some slack if you can prove you are under 20 years old - the whole defeat from the Jaws of victory goes back well into the 80's with "The Drive" and "The Fumble" and Jordan over Ehlo and.... dammit so much.

Oh, oh, oh! Let's not forget Red Right 88!

Thanks for exposing the Patriots buddy, now please DIAF.

Bill Belichek is a dour, sour, joyless dude, but no wonder he hates Mangini.

Belichek is a lot of bad things, ibut he is an excellent coach. Mangini appears to have run out of all the ideas he gleaned under his tutelage...and has none of his own.

The "Man-genious" wears no clothes.

nugatory2: A bit of a threadjack, but, in light of Thanksgiving games coming up, feelings opinions thoughts rants and biatching about talks of taking Detroit completely off the Thanksgiving schedule?

I would like to keep it the same, tradition and all.

I mean, the Cowboys suck and have sucked in the past and they never proposed this before.

I've always liked the Thanksgiving games. They go really well with the Thanksgiving nap.

macadamnut: nugatory2: A bit of a threadjack, but, in light of Thanksgiving games coming up, feelings opinions thoughts rants and biatching about talks of taking Detroit completely off the Thanksgiving schedule?

I would like to keep it the same, tradition and all.

I mean, the Cowboys suck and have sucked in the past and they never proposed this before.

I've always liked the Thanksgiving games. They go really well with the Thanksgiving nap.

naps are gooood : )

nugatory2: A bit of a threadjack, but, in light of Thanksgiving games coming up, feelings opinions thoughts rants and biatching about talks of taking Detroit completely off the Thanksgiving schedule?

I would like to keep it the same, tradition and all.

I mean, the Cowboys suck and have sucked in the past and they never proposed this before.

I say keep the Lions, but always have them as the second game. Everyone loads up on turkey while watching the first game, then falls asleep during the second, so we wouldn't be missing much.

Plus, there is something I enjoy about knowing they'll play on Turkey Day.

/Not a Lions fan in any way shape or form.

BlaineIsAPain: ihatedumbpeople: I'm just wondering why the Lions didnt' get a 10 second run off. They didn't have any timeouts to be charged when Stafford had to leave the field, and I coulda swore under 2 minutes a 10 second runoff occurs if an injury (and offensive penalty as well?) is committed.

Huh? The penalty was defensive pass interference. Not offensive. The clock was at :00. You can't have a 10 second run off. But there wouldn't have been one anyway because if the defense commits a penalty as time runs out, it's required that there be one last untimed play.

yeah, I totally zoned on the PI penalty...for some reason I forgot about that and thought the offensive team got docked a TO or 10 seconds for injury timeouts under 2 min...

What comeon the Cleveland Browns won a super bowl
oh wait that was the Ravens.

stebain: Up and Atom: Did he explain why he called a timeout with :00 on the clock, allowing Detroit's injured quarterback time to get back on the field to throw the winning touchdown pass?

huh?

Stafford was injured and helped off the field. Thus, he was ineligible to return for the untimed down. However, Mangina called a timeout with :00 left (he said he had the wrong defensive package out there, or some shiat). This allowed Stafford to come back in the game, instead of leaving Culpepper in.

Apparently Stafford heard the PA announcement about the timeout while he was lying on his back, letting the docs look at his shoulder. He hopped up and snuck onto the field before they could stop him.

The best thing for the Cleveland Brows is Los Angeles.

tforbes: The best thing for the Cleveland Brows is Los Angeles.

The best thing for your mom is my cock, doesn't mean you want to see it happen.

tforbes: The best thing for the Cleveland Brows is Los Angeles.

Well, I don't know who the Brows are, but the Browns wouldn't be welcomed here at all. The Vikings, with Favre and Peterson, sure. I'd prefer an expansion team, but that train left the station in late 90's.

ihatedumbpeople: I'm just wondering why the Lions didnt' get a 10 second run off. They didn't have any timeouts to be charged when Stafford had to leave the field, and I coulda swore under 2 minutes a 10 second runoff occurs if an injury (and offensive penalty as well?) is committed.

I was thinking about this. There was already 0 seconds on the clock at the end of the play where Stafford got hurt, so a 10 second run off wouldn't have done anything. There was a defensive penalty, so no matter what there had to be one untimed down.

davideggy: ihatedumbpeople: I'm just wondering why the Lions didnt' get a 10 second run off. They didn't have any timeouts to be charged when Stafford had to leave the field, and I coulda swore under 2 minutes a 10 second runoff occurs if an injury (and offensive penalty as well?) is committed.

I was thinking about this. There was already 0 seconds on the clock at the end of the play where Stafford got hurt, so a 10 second run off wouldn't have done anything. There was a defensive penalty, so no matter what there had to be one untimed down.

The error came with Mangini's brilliant decision to call a timeout.

Stafford was carted off the field during an injury timeout. By rule a player that leaves the field because of injury, during injury timeout must sit out one play. Unless a timeout is called by the other team.

Mangenius committed a serious coaching mistake that allowed the Lions QB back on the field. A play had to played anyway, but it would have been with the 2nd string QB had the timeout not been called.

/and today Man-idiot blames the Lions for cheating their way to 2-8.

bionicjoe: davideggy: ihatedumbpeople: I'm just wondering why the Lions didnt' get a 10 second run off. They didn't have any timeouts to be charged when Stafford had to leave the field, and I coulda swore under 2 minutes a 10 second runoff occurs if an injury (and offensive penalty as well?) is committed.

I was thinking about this. There was already 0 seconds on the clock at the end of the play where Stafford got hurt, so a 10 second run off wouldn't have done anything. There was a defensive penalty, so no matter what there had to be one untimed down.

The error came with Mangini's brilliant decision to call a timeout.

Stafford was carted off the field during an injury timeout. By rule a player that leaves the field because of injury, during injury timeout must sit out one play. Unless a timeout is called by the other team.

Mangenius committed a serious coaching mistake that allowed the Lions QB back on the field. A play had to played anyway, but it would have been with the 2nd string QB had the timeout not been called.

/and today Man-idiot blames the Lions for cheating their way to 2-8.


Anticipating a pass (sensible) from Stafford Mangini had the dime package on the field. Seeing Stafford was injured and Culpepper was on the field a run was likely so Mangini called a TO and brought his short yardage run D on the field. What exactly would you have done that was a smarter move?

/not a Mangini fan
//even less a fan of borderline retards who criticize without the slightest farking clue what the right move would be.

^ Ding, ding. After the hit Stafford took and how he barely made it off the field, do you think Erin Mangina really thought he'd trot back out onto the field with a dislocated arm and throw the ball?

I sure as hell didn't. I thought he was dead.