The only think Mark Sanchez is poised to do is throw 4 interceptions a game.

/Jets Fan
//Yes he's a rookie, didn't expect greatness in one season
///But he seems to actually be regressing.
////never done 4 slashes before

Anybody know if Cryin Ryan cried after the game?

jevman: The only think Mark Sanchez is poised to do is throw 4 interceptions a game.

/Jets Fan
//Yes he's a rookie, didn't expect greatness in one season
///But he seems to actually be regressing.
////never done 4 slashes before

Yea man. He does appear to be getting worse. Which is troubling and straight bizarre. Hope he picks it up. Now Quinn on the other hand. Christ. this guuy throws a football equivilant of a near perfect game. And still loses... to the lions, as Stafford throws his 5th TD. Insanity.

jevman: The only think Mark Sanchez is poised to do is throw 4 interceptions a game.

/Jets Fan
//Yes he's a rookie, didn't expect greatness in one season
///But he seems to actually be regressing.
////never done 4 slashes before

Anyone know what the record for most interceptions by a rookie QB is? Sanchez has gotta be on pace to break it this year.

Figures that right after my QB has his best game so far in his career (Quinn), his opponent one-ups him and has HIS best game and perhaps the best ever rookie QB game right along with it.

/Mangini's an idiot
//would have let Culpepper try his QB sneak
///send everyone straight at him

I'm a Jets fan for years. Loyal. Poor Mark; I don't know WTF happened to him yesterday. The only thing I can think of is that he was totally psyched out/intimidated somehow.

I agree totally with Jevman: our QB REGRESSED! but...that seems to be the Jets' curse. I bet it has to do with Jimmy Hoffa's ghost putting a mallorca. Hoffa's ghost is a Giants fan.

I thought he got his shoulder seperated on the game winning throw? That appeared to be the hit that did the damage.

Hardy-r-r: Anybody know if Cryin Ryan cried after the game?

As a long, long-suffering Lions fan, I am not ashamed to say I almost shed a tear at the end of that game. You really have to have followed a hopeless, godforsaken team for more than a decade to understand. But that was a Winner on the football field yesterday and dammit, I can get behind a Stafford/Johnson/Smith/Pettigrew-led offence.

Now, if the defence could just stop rolling over for every QB who looks at her kindly and the O-line could not force our franchise QB to throw gmae-winning TDs with a decimated shoulder ... we might have ourselves some semblance of a football team.

/awaits bad news, piano falling from sky, etc....

Hydra
2009-11-23 12:04:29 PM

jevman: The only think Mark Sanchez is poised to do is throw 4 interceptions a game.

/Jets Fan
//Yes he's a rookie, didn't expect greatness in one season
///But he seems to actually be regressing.
////never done 4 slashes before

Anyone know what the record for most interceptions by a rookie QB is? Sanchez has gotta be on pace to break it this year.

cant remember the number off hand but peyton manning holds the record

he never shoulda eaten that hot dog...

skybreaker: Hydra
2009-11-23 12:04:29 PM

jevman: The only think Mark Sanchez is poised to do is throw 4 interceptions a game.

/Jets Fan
//Yes he's a rookie, didn't expect greatness in one season
///But he seems to actually be regressing.
////never done 4 slashes before

Anyone know what the record for most interceptions by a rookie QB is? Sanchez has gotta be on pace to break it this year.

cant remember the number off hand but peyton manning holds the record

Manning threw 28 picks his rookie year. But he also set a rookie record with 26 TD passes.

Quinn and Stafford were impressive and look to be on the upswing. Quinn especially, who looked like a different person than he did a week ago. Granted it was against the Lions, but all that means is that the guy finally had an even matchup since the Browns are so shiatty. You saw that he can make some plays when given a chance. And Stafford was an absolute warrior. He's been up and down, but you have to consider he's a rookie QB on a bad team. Given that, I like what I've seen of him.

Sanchise, on the other hand, looks lost lately. And that sucks. I mean, I'm a Giants fan who has no problem with the Jets unless they're playing each other. I want to see this guy make it. But the league seems to have figured him out. Not saying he can't adjust, but it's been ugly.

Bottom line is these guys need time. Not everyone's going to be Matt Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger and win right away. You need to give them a chance to work up a decent sample size.

I'm just psyched the Pats were able to beat the latest installment of 'new messiah quarterback and genius coach' and walk away with a "w" over the inevitable AFC champions.

heh.

There are now three teams in the league with a worse record than the Lions. It's a start. Jim Schwartz is the right guy to coach the team, especially if what happened to Tennessee after he left is any indication.

Stafford's the real deal and (I think) the Lions are on the right track; they just need time to gel and to keep shifting the puzzle pieces until they get cohesive. The Cowboys and Troy Aikman were godawful for a good year or two until they made their run; something similar could be happening in Detroit.

This is completely irrelevant, but Charlie Batch is out for 6 weeks with wrist surgery. Let the Dennis Dixon era begin!

/dies a little inside

Sanchez ain't poised, but I think Peter King is totally wrong to say he should be benched. He's a rookie. This is what is supposed to happen.

Stafford was awesome. Cleveland helped them out a ton though:

1. Throwing the ball with under 2 minutes left and Detroit out of timeouts.
2. Dumbass DB shoving a receiver out of bounds instead of playing the ball on the Hail Mary.
3. Mangina calling a timeout to yell at the ref about ??? which allowed Stafford back onto the field.


How does Mangina still have a job?

Lost Thought 00: This is completely irrelevant, but Charlie Batch is out for 6 weeks with wrist surgery. Let the Dennis Dixon era begin!

/dies a little inside

What? Are you farking serious?

spacechicken170am: I thought he got his shoulder seperated on the game winning throw? That appeared to be the hit that did the damage.

That throw was intercepted in the end zone, but ultimately overuled by a PI call. CJ Mosley blew him the fark up. The winning TD came on an untimed down as a result of the penatly in the end zone.

Ok, this seems as good a place to ask as any, what's the story behind the courageous Brady Quinn meme? I've tried to figure it out, but my google-fu is weak and I feel like I'm missing one of the best inside jokes on Fark.

Hydra: jevman: The only think Mark Sanchez is poised to do is throw 4 interceptions a game.

/Jets Fan
//Yes he's a rookie, didn't expect greatness in one season
///But he seems to actually be regressing.
////never done 4 slashes before

Anyone know what the record for most interceptions by a rookie QB is? Sanchez has gotta be on pace to break it this year.

Peyton Manning, with 28 interceptions on the year in 1998. Sanchez currently has 16, on pace for 26.

Hydra: Anyone know what the record for most interceptions by a rookie QB is? Sanchez has gotta be on pace to break it this year.

Peyton had 28 in '88, that's probably the official rookie record. Vinny T had 35 in '88 as well (good year for cornerbacks, Jebus), but he started 4 games in '87 so you probably can't call him a rookie in '88. Also, someone named Jim Hart had 30 in '67 for the St. Louis Cardinals, but again, he played in a game the previous year. Baseball has all kinds of weird rules determining if a guy is really a rookie or not, not sure if football has any as well.

The Reference. So Sanchize at 16 with 6 games to play would only have to average 2 picks a game to match Peyton's '88 "record". Outside shot I guess, though the @Buff and @Tampa dates loom large.

toonz: I'm just psyched the Pats were able to beat the latest installment of 'new messiah quarterback and genius coach' and walk away with a "w" over the inevitable AFC champions.

heh.

This. I admittedly hate the Jets more than the Pats regardless, but for all the shiat-talking that was done seeing the Jets get destroyed makes me very happy indeed.

The manner in which the Jets have collapsed since their first three games is nothing short of spectacular. And awesome...definitely awesome.

/Nobody talks trash like a Jets fan in September. Nobody.

PowerSlacker: Stafford was awesome. Cleveland helped them out a ton though:

1. Throwing the ball with under 2 minutes left and Detroit out of timeouts.
2. Dumbass DB shoving a receiver out of bounds instead of playing the ball on the Hail Mary.
3. Mangina calling a timeout to yell at the ref about ??? which allowed Stafford back onto the field.


How does Mangina still have a job?

1. Definitely a dumb call and they should have run the ball to take 40 seconds off, but the play was called to only throw the ball if it was wide open and if not, take a sack. The play was wide open, but Quinn made a bad throw.

2. Poteat did as he was coached. If the QB is out of the pocket (which he was), you can push the player out of bounds. Problem was the ball was put in the air before Poteat pushed him. You can also argue that there were probably a ton of inelligible receivers downfield, but the fact of the matter is the Browns blew a 21pt lead. How often do you see a PI on a Hail Mary?

3. Mangini claims he wanted to make sure he had the right defense on the field, which I don't buy.

MtHammer: Ok, this seems as good a place to ask as any, what's the story behind the courageous Brady Quinn meme? I've tried to figure it out, but my google-fu is weak and I feel like I'm missing one of the best inside jokes on Fark.

Rickeythepenguin started it when complaining about an announcers love-obsession with Quinn.

Quinn is "courageous Quinn" because of his draft day slip. He was in the top 5 conversation, and ended up going way late. The whole the draft coverage was going on, they would cut a camera to Brady to watch his facial expression every time he slipped another stop.

The whole time, he was, well very courageous...

The most exciting game ever at Ford Field and about 30-35 thousand fans were there to see it.

MarkKetch: spacechicken170am: I thought he got his shoulder seperated on the game winning throw? That appeared to be the hit that did the damage.

That throw was intercepted in the end zone, but ultimately overuled by a PI call. CJ Mosley blew him the fark up. The winning TD came on an untimed down as a result of the penatly in the end zone.

It was Hank Poteat that hammered the receiver (C Johnson?) in the end zone.

/Stafford didn't looking like he was just having fun out there

RedEyedWings: Hardy-r-r: Anybody know if Cryin Ryan cried after the game?

As a long, long-suffering Lions fan, I am not ashamed to say I almost shed a tear at the end of that game. You really have to have followed a hopeless, godforsaken team for more than a decade to understand. But that was a Winner on the football field yesterday and dammit, I can get behind a Stafford/Johnson/Smith/Pettigrew-led offence.

Now, if the defence could just stop rolling over for every QB who looks at her kindly and the O-line could not force our franchise QB to throw gmae-winning TDs with a decimated shoulder ... we might have ourselves some semblance of a football team.

/awaits bad news, piano falling from sky, etc....

Derrick Williams may grow into being a great slot receiver too. If I were you guys I'd take the best Left tackle in the first then draft all defense. You guys could actually be good. It's scary.

MarkKetch: PowerSlacker: Stafford was awesome. Cleveland helped them out a ton though:

1. Throwing the ball with under 2 minutes left and Detroit out of timeouts.
2. Dumbass DB shoving a receiver out of bounds instead of playing the ball on the Hail Mary.
3. Mangina calling a timeout to yell at the ref about ??? which allowed Stafford back onto the field.


How does Mangina still have a job?

1. Definitely a dumb call and they should have run the ball to take 40 seconds off, but the play was called to only throw the ball if it was wide open and if not, take a sack. The play was wide open, but Quinn made a bad throw.

2. Poteat did as he was coached. If the QB is out of the pocket (which he was), you can push the player out of bounds. Problem was the ball was put in the air before Poteat pushed him. You can also argue that there were probably a ton of inelligible receivers downfield, but the fact of the matter is the Browns blew a 21pt lead. How often do you see a PI on a Hail Mary?

3. Mangini claims he wanted to make sure he had the right defense on the field, which I don't buy.

1. Fair point. If they complete that pass, it's kneel down time.

2. If you're going to push a guy out, you might want to know where the ball is. That push was so blatant with the ball in the air that it had to be called, even on a Hail Mary. You're probably right about linemen downfield...I never looked for that on the replay.

3. Even if you believe that lie, why give the offense extra time to come up with a play there?

So glad I started Stafford on my FF league.

/48 pts!
// ftw!

As a Detroit fan I would like to register my disgust with how we're treating Stafford. Okay so we took Stafford as a QB of a future, I wanted us to draft linemen, but fine so be it. Put the QB of the future on the bench, let him learn the playbook, study film and condition. Let Dante Culpepper go out there and get killed every game by the defense and we'll have about the same record we have now.

All we're accomplishing by letting Stafford get pulped is ensuring he has a short and possibly injury prone career.

redmid17: MarkKetch: spacechicken170am: I thought he got his shoulder seperated on the game winning throw? That appeared to be the hit that did the damage.

That throw was intercepted in the end zone, but ultimately overuled by a PI call. CJ Mosley blew him the fark up. The winning TD came on an untimed down as a result of the penatly in the end zone.

It was Hank Poteat that hammered the receiver (C Johnson?) in the end zone.

/Stafford didn't looking like he was just having fun out there

Bryant Johnson. Close. Calvin ended up closest to the ball though, since Bryant got pushed so far.

/too many Johnsons
//heh

jayhawk88:
Peyton had 28 in '88, that's probably the official rookie record. Vinny T had 35 in '88 as well (good year for cornerbacks, Jebus), but he started 4 games in '87 so you probably can't call him a rookie in '88. Also, someone named Jim Hart had 30 in '67 for the St. Louis Cardinals, but again, he played in a game the previous year. Baseball has all kinds of weird rules determining if a guy is really a rookie or not, not sure if football has any as well.


You kids are so amusing.

ha-ha-guy: All we're accomplishing by letting Stafford get pulped is ensuring he has a short and possibly injury prone career.

On the flip side, I'm not sure how much Stafford can really learn if he's watching another QB end up on his back before plays can fully develop.

FreakinB: redmid17: MarkKetch: spacechicken170am: I thought he got his shoulder seperated on the game winning throw? That appeared to be the hit that did the damage.

That throw was intercepted in the end zone, but ultimately overuled by a PI call. CJ Mosley blew him the fark up. The winning TD came on an untimed down as a result of the penatly in the end zone.

It was Hank Poteat that hammered the receiver (C Johnson?) in the end zone.

/Stafford didn't looking like he was just having fun out there

Bryant Johnson. Close. Calvin ended up closest to the ball though, since Bryant got pushed so far.

/too many Johnsons
//heh

Heh there were two starting DT's for the Colts at the beginning of the year. Can you imagine being pile-driven by two huge Johnsons?

/johnson

/

Mark Sanchez isn't regressing, he's just becoming more proficient with how the Jets run their offense.

Killer Cars: ha-ha-guy: All we're accomplishing by letting Stafford get pulped is ensuring he has a short and possibly injury prone career.

On the flip side, I'm not sure how much Stafford can really learn if he's watching another QB end up on his back before plays can fully develop.

Aaron Rodgers learned a lot with his ass parked on the bench for a few years.

MarkKetch: PowerSlacker: Stafford was awesome. Cleveland helped them out a ton though:

1. Throwing the ball with under 2 minutes left and Detroit out of timeouts.
2. Dumbass DB shoving a receiver out of bounds instead of playing the ball on the Hail Mary.
3. Mangina calling a timeout to yell at the ref about ??? which allowed Stafford back onto the field.


How does Mangina still have a job?

1. Definitely a dumb call and they should have run the ball to take 40 seconds off, but the play was called to only throw the ball if it was wide open and if not, take a sack. The play was wide open, but Quinn made a bad throw.

2. Poteat did as he was coached. If the QB is out of the pocket (which he was), you can push the player out of bounds. Problem was the ball was put in the air before Poteat pushed him. You can also argue that there were probably a ton of inelligible receivers downfield, but the fact of the matter is the Browns blew a 21pt lead. How often do you see a PI on a Hail Mary?

3. Mangini claims he wanted to make sure he had the right defense on the field, which I don't buy.

1. I don't mind the call, actually. If it's a conversion, it's a win. Otherwise, TAKE THE SACK! Quinn really looked bad in the second half, it's like he suddenly remembered that he was playing for the Browns, and was supposed to underthrow/overthrow/misthrow every other pass.

2. I'd also like to note that letting Stafford scramble around for a day and a half was just terrible on the part of the defense. Bring some pressure, for the love of Otto Graham! If you make the secondary scramble around for 20 seconds, shiat is likely to happen, and it did.

3. The timeout was in the vein of "let's make sure we're all on the same page". If Culpepper was left in, I think the playcall is a sneak, so they wanted to make sure they were ready. That, and I don't think they figured Stafford was getting up after that play, or that he'd be effective if he took the field.

Having Stafford come in after that hit is a real vote of confidence for Culpepper, eh?

/"no, we'd rather have the guy with the seperated shoulder run a play than you!"
// remember that Culpepper was competing for the starting job in the preseason...

redmid17:

It was Hank Poteat that hammered the receiver (C Johnson?) in the end zone.



I was referring to Stafford being nailed by CJ Mosley and getting injured, not Poteat pushing the receiver.

ha-ha-guy: Aaron Rodgers learned a lot with his ass parked on the bench for a few years.

Yeah, but he "learned a lot" by watching a future HoF'er run a half-way decent team.

Watching Culpepper only occasionally find the time to hit CJ deep on the way to a possibly 2-14 season isn't quite the same.

whipbambucket: Having Stafford come in after that hit is a real vote of confidence for Culpepper, eh?

/"no, we'd rather have the guy with the seperated shoulder run a play than you!"
// remember that Culpepper was competing for the starting job in the preseason...

They didn't have him come in, he took the field without authorization.

He pulled a "f*ck it, I'm going in" moment.

ha-ha-guy: Killer Cars: ha-ha-guy: All we're accomplishing by letting Stafford get pulped is ensuring he has a short and possibly injury prone career.

On the flip side, I'm not sure how much Stafford can really learn if he's watching another QB end up on his back before plays can fully develop.

Aaron Rodgers learned a lot with his ass parked on the bench for a few years.

Conversely, Manning got thrown into the fire his first year and set rookie records for TDs and INTs. The next year he led the Colts to the single biggest season turnaround in NFL history with largely the same team.

bad week for QBs getting hurt. Looks like Roethlisberger might be out with a concussion, and it was just reported that Charlie Batch injured his wrist and will likely be out rest of the season. Dennis Dixon may start for the Steelers against Baltimore.

O_O

ha-ha-guy:
"As a Detroit fan I would like to register my disgust with how we're treating Stafford. Okay so we took Stafford as a QB of a future, I wanted us to draft linemen, but fine so be it. Put the QB of the future on the bench, let him learn the playbook, study film and condition. Let Dante Culpepper go out there and get killed every game by the defense and we'll have about the same record we have now.

All we're accomplishing by letting Stafford get pulped is ensuring he has a short and possibly injury prone career."

Does Ford know you are reading his master plan? That is precisely what they have done with the QB postition pretty much since Ford took over.

jayhawk88: Hydra: Anyone know what the record for most interceptions by a rookie QB is? Sanchez has gotta be on pace to break it this year.

Peyton had 28 in '88 98, that's probably the official rookie record. Vinny T had 35 in '88 as well (good year for cornerbacks, Jebus), but he started 4 games in '87 so you probably can't call him a rookie in '88. Also, someone named Jim Hart had 30 in '67 for the St. Louis Cardinals, but again, he played in a game the previous year. Baseball has all kinds of weird rules determining if a guy is really a rookie or not, not sure if football has any as well.

The Reference. So Sanchize at 16 with 6 games to play would only have to average 2 picks a game to match Peyton's '88 98 "record". Outside shot I guess, though the @Buff and @Tampa dates loom large.

fixed

So does Stafford now lead the league in grit? First it was Welker, then Delhomme. I'm having a hard time keeping up with this.