neither one did enough

"This is a use-of-force case that we will thoroughly investigate," BART Police Patrol Commander Daniel O. Hartwig said in the statement.

And then we will find our oinker blameless and sweep everything under the rug, you know, business as usual.

I suddenly crave a couple pieces of bacon. Or maybe a slice of ham...

lajimi: "This is a use-of-force case that we will thoroughly investigate," BART Police Patrol Commander Daniel O. Hartwig said in the statement.

And then we will find our oinker blameless and sweep everything under the rug, you know, business as usual.

Sad but true.

It looked like the guy was starting shiat to me.

Full video. CNN is only playing the most dramatic part.

Guy was aggressive and most definitely drunk. A passenger on the train tried to get him off the train & the BART cop took over. Looks like sheer momentum drove the guy's head through the glass--does NOT look intentional in the least. And even after being driven through plate glass, the guy is on the ground and STILL resisting.

And that window broke like normal glass. Reinforced glass does NOT shatter that way in the least. Biased article & news report are biased in order to get the most dramatic, inflammatory reaction possible.

Goddammit all to hell, I HATE American MSM.

brigid_fitch: Biased article & news report are biased in order to get the most dramatic, inflammatory reaction possible.

Madbassist1: brigid_fitch: Biased article & news report are biased in order to get the most dramatic, inflammatory reaction possible.

Fark has nothing to do with the irresponsibility of CNN. I don't mind inflammatory headlines on here--hell, their part & parcel of what the site's about. But when an actual news organization does it, and so blatantly, it pisses me off.

looked like teh cop was calmly walking him over to the window and when they got close the cop pushed him harder up against the window, breaking it. don't know what led up to the video, but the guy didn't appear to resist until after he was smashed through the window. he struggle after that, but if i just broke a window with my head i'd be pissed too

brigid_fitch: Madbassist1: brigid_fitch: Biased article & news report are biased in order to get the most dramatic, inflammatory reaction possible.

Fark has nothing to do with the irresponsibility of CNN. I don't mind inflammatory headlines on here--hell, their part & parcel of what the site's about. But when an actual news organization does it, and so blatantly, it pisses me off.

Hmmmm....Actual CNN headline...

"BART officer, passenger injured in scuffle caught on video"

Your comment on said headline...

"...inflammatory headlines..."

Requires me to post the following pic...

The dangling preposition annoys me. I have no other comment.

Wait, so if a cop beat the crap out of a five year old girl and some of her blood splattered onto him. They would charge her with assault?

Madbassist1: "BART officer, passenger injured in scuffle caught on video"

Your comment on said headline...

"...inflammatory headlines..."

I meant Fark headlines in general--you typically expect them to be inflammatory, ESPECIALLY in the Politics tab, and that's okay. This headline & the one from TFA are fine. The article & news broadcast itself are what were inflammatory. CNN should have run the full video that I posted instead of taking the most dramatic moment out of context in order to create the most outrage.

/I know I didn't make that clear in my previous post.
//Need more caffeine.

lajimi: "This is a use-of-force case that we will thoroughly investigate," BART Police Patrol Commander Daniel O. Hartwig said in the statement.

And then we will find our oinker blameless and sweep everything under the rug, you know, business as usual.

Only oinker is your whore mother.

StarshipPooper: Wait, so if a cop beat the crap out of a five year old girl and some of her blood splattered onto him. They would charge her with assault?


*nods with blank look and runs into wall*

Waiting for cop-fellaters to come in and tell us how it's perfectly justified to break a plate glass window using someone's head and neck even though the video clearly demonstrates the man was not resisting arrest.

Goddamit I am sick of looking at Mandy Patankin.

Approves!


"WE broke a chair over MY thigh"

/Pic is hot like the plate a Mexican brain surgeon uses.

Cop is supposed to be professional...no need to shove the guy's head through a window. That's just plain thuggery. Both of them are asshats anyway

That's a little better than before. Last time they just shot the guy in the head. Link

First that shooting of the guy cuffed on the ground and now this.

Hey BART police :
1) Look into anger management counseling.
2) People can take video with their cell-phones.

Not sure I'd want to be trapped in a small metal tube with a guy who is Bi-Polar, Schizophrenic and Drunk..

There's no way that's reinforced glass..

brigid_fitch: Full video. CNN is only playing the most dramatic part.

Guy was aggressive and most definitely drunk. A passenger on the train tried to get him off the train & the BART cop took over. Looks like sheer momentum drove the guy's head through the glass--does NOT look intentional in the least. And even after being driven through plate glass, the guy is on the ground and STILL resisting.

And that window broke like normal glass. Reinforced glass does NOT shatter that way in the least. Biased article & news report are biased in order to get the most dramatic, inflammatory reaction possible.

Goddammit all to hell, I HATE American MSM.

You sir are retarded. That cop shoved the dude's head through the window. Any drunk jackass can expect to get manhandled by an arresting officer, but the officer didn't need to do that to subdue him. Hell yeah that was excessive force.

Imagine if the dude was black, though...Jesse and Al would be en route in their private jets paid for by for-profit charities...I think clips like this show that everyone gets abused by a-hole cops, even if for the most part they bring it on themselves.

bemis23: Waiting for cop-fellaters to come in and tell us how it's perfectly justified to break a plate glass window using someone's head and neck even though the video clearly demonstrates the man was not resisting arrest.

Any self respecting officer would have tazed a man not resisting arrest. This officer went too far.

wee: The dangling preposition annoys me. I have no other comment.

You and me both.

"Window shatters and cuts up the passenger and the officer."

/Submitter.
//Dangling prep and all.

:((

A minor correction: It was actually the guy's arm that broke the window.

I'm sure that this case will be far less likely to be swept under the rug than most, given that there's another BART cop who's about to go on trial for murder for killing that unarmed guy on New Years.

Looks like his hand went through the glass first.

GriffXX: First that shooting of the guy cuffed on the ground and now this.

Hey BART police :
1) Look into anger management counseling.
2) People can take video with their cell-phones.

Didn't you hear, OJ is teaching anger management in prison now. Maybe they can get him released so he can teach them about managing their anger. So instead of shooting people in the back, they'll cut off their heads.

brigid_fitch: Full video. CNN is only playing the most dramatic part.

Guy was aggressive and most definitely drunk. A passenger on the train tried to get him off the train & the BART cop took over. Looks like sheer momentum drove the guy's head through the glass--does NOT look intentional in the least. And even after being driven through plate glass, the guy is on the ground and STILL resisting.

And that window broke like normal glass. Reinforced glass does NOT shatter that way in the least. Biased article & news report are biased in order to get the most dramatic, inflammatory reaction possible.

Goddammit all to hell, I HATE American MSM.

Well, perhaps if the cops where not working so hard to cover up and/or defend all their other asshole actions, the public would be behind them. But given that just about everyone hates cops nowadays, Republicans, Democrats, teenagers, senior citizens, people of all races and nationalities, CNN made the sensible choice to pander to the 99% of the population that aren't police officers or their family.

After watching the video, I conclude the passenger was a drunk, douche-like creature. The officer was well within reason to place such douchiness up against the wall. The wall being glass and breaking seems accidental.

However, charging the drunk douche with assault is a whole new level of douchiness.

BART alone on this one as other Simpson characters are no where to be found.

Nothing new here, just a cop being a thug, I mean cop...

Mykeru: After watching the video, I conclude the passenger was a drunk, douche-like creature. The officer was well within reason to place such douchiness up against the wall. The wall being glass and breaking seems accidental.

However, charging the drunk douche with assault is a whole new level of douchiness.

If the person was resisting arrest, and the officer was being reasonable in his attempts to control or subdue the suspect, then generally the suspect will be liable for the officer's injuries.

Not going out on a limb until I can watch the video to decide whether or not I think he was in the right.

T-Luv: bemis23: Waiting for cop-fellaters to come in and tell us how it's perfectly justified to break a plate glass window using someone's head and neck even though the video clearly demonstrates the man was not resisting arrest.

Any self respecting officer would have tazed a man not resisting arrest. This officer went too far.

Or possibly shoot and kill them while on the ground and after being handcuffed.

Atleast, that seems the be the BART police SOP anyway. Clearly this officer should be fired - not for brutality, but for failing to uphold departmental standards.

bemis23: Waiting for cop-fellaters to come in and tell us how it's perfectly justified to break a plate glass window using someone's head and neck even though the video clearly demonstrates the man was not resisting arrest.

Which video is that - the edited one shown on CNN, or the full one where the guy is yelling "who wants to play king of the mountain", acting belligerent, threatening people on the subway, etc.? To me it looks like he drug the cop toward the window and momentum took them both through it, not the other way around. Also, if you watch the original video, most of the bystanders are firmly in the cop's corner. Usually when you see a policed brutality video it's the other way around.

Not saying police brutality isn't a serious issue, but sometimes with idiots like this guy, I hope for a cop to come along and beat some sense into him. Civilians don't get to do that without going to jail, even though it's needed and warranted quite often.

StarshipPooper:

Didn't you hear, OJ is teaching anger management in prison now. Maybe they can get him released so he can teach them about managing their anger. So instead of shooting people in the back, they'll cut off their heads.

At least there would be a flurry of 'there can be only one' jokes instead of just rage. I'd be more cool with that.

So true.

Paging CruiserTwelve, CruiserTwelve, please pick up the white courtesy phone...

Mykeru: After watching the video, I conclude the passenger was a drunk, douche-like creature. The officer was well within reason to place such douchiness up against the wall. The wall being glass and breaking seems accidental.

However, charging the drunk douche with assault is a whole new level of douchiness.

Yeah, I think you make a good point. It does appear the guy's flailing hand is what broke the glass, and the Officer certainly didn't appear to be trying to force the guy into the window. I agree with the your theory that it was accidental and that the perp didn't do anything to deserve the assault or even a resisting charge from what is on this video.

FilmBELOH20: Civilians don't get to do that without going to jail, even though it's needed and warranted quite often.

Well, the law already provides for a citizen's arrest in some cases.. perhaps we should lobby to allow for a citizen's beatdown in some others?

/off to call my representative

Poppyale: StarshipPooper: Wait, so if a cop beat the crap out of a five year old girl and some of her blood splattered onto him. They would charge her with assault?


*nods with blank look and runs into wall*

What I thought of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etLE3ALWZaM

FilmBELOH20: bemis23: Waiting for cop-fellaters to come in and tell us how it's perfectly justified to break a plate glass window using someone's head and neck even though the video clearly demonstrates the man was not resisting arrest.

Which video is that - the edited one shown on CNN, or the full one where the guy is yelling "who wants to play king of the mountain", acting belligerent, threatening people on the subway, etc.? To me it looks like he drug the cop toward the window and momentum took them both through it, not the other way around. Also, if you watch the original video, most of the bystanders are firmly in the cop's corner. Usually when you see a policed brutality video it's the other way around.

Not saying police brutality isn't a serious issue, but sometimes with idiots like this guy, I hope for a cop to come along and beat some sense into him. Civilians don't get to do that without going to jail, even though it's needed and warranted quite often.

Unfortuantely, it's up to the courts to decide upong the appropriate punishment and administer justice via sentencing - not cops. Deciding to "beat a little sense" into someone isn't the the officer's job description. Couple of cops tried to "beat a little sense" in to some folks at the gay bar here in Ft. Worth - maybe that was ok too, right? I mean, it doesn't make sense in the cop's mind to be gay - so he should have plenty of latitude to straighten (pund intended) out any citizen (law abiding or not) to make them see things his way.

If you watch the full video the passengers applaud when the BART cop takes the guy off the train and one asks if he is ok medically or needs backup and another guy gets a cloth for him presumably because of the cuts from the glass. Doesn't sound like police brutality to me.

Everyone HATES the police until they need them. "Oink this and oink that", but when some assh0le like that drunk guy sucker punches them when they aren't looking, who is the first person they blame for not doing something about it BEFORE it happened?
The cop should have pushed that idiot douche ALL THE WAY through the window and THEN charged him with assualt. That guy would have ended up beating up someone or worse if he wouldn't have been restrained...

and no, I am not a cop. or a security guard. or, for that matter, dating a cop or security guard OR the BART guys brother.

A lot of folks in Chicago get charged with "destruction of property" when the cops damage their mag lights smashing them against civilians' skulls . . . .

I am not one to defend cops, but I dont' think he put him through the window on purpose. If you watch the whole video, the guy was being a drunken asshole, who was clearly looking for trouble. If the officer had dragged him out of the train, slammed him to the ground, and put cuffs on him, I would defend every one of his actions.

That being said, charging the guy with assult because the cop rammed the man's head through a window is the sort of crap I expect from most police. The officer had pretty much total control of the drunk, and chose to slam him against the window.

Charge him with the public intoxication and be done with it.

xanadian: I suddenly crave a couple pieces of bacon. Or maybe a slice of ham...

Or maybe a BBQ Chicken Bacon pizza with extra Ham from Poppa Johns, it is almost lunch time here.

but if you watch the whole video theres a part where a cop is explaining the situation and says the dudes arm broke the glass. if you watch the video closely you can kind of imagine it too. and most of the cuts were on the dudes arm, not face

he said theres no cuts on his face which are consistent with break glass. those cuts are on his arm

DirkNiggla: Everyone HATES the police until they need them.

Please explain a circumstance in which police are needed. In the vast majority of cases, they are there to take reports and survey the aftermath. Police do not generally prevent crime.