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(Abc.net.au) Interesting The origin of species found in British toilet. The book, that is   (abc.net.au) divider line 60
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Iron Chef Scottish [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-11-23 04:31:48 AM  
Sounds more like the origin of the faeces.
'LOL'

 
Indolent [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 04:32:15 AM  
I'm flushed with excitement after reading the article.

 
Day_Old_Dutchie 2009-11-23 04:35:27 AM  
img690.imageshack.us

Welcome to the 'reading room'.

 
Day_Old_Dutchie 2009-11-23 04:39:41 AM  
img690.imageshack.us

 
Edge.bot 2009-11-23 04:43:58 AM  
Looks like someone needs to evolve opposable thumbs

 
Now I Is! 2009-11-23 04:45:38 AM  
Iron Chef Scottish: Sounds more like the origin of the feces.
'LOL'


londresdetrevas.com (NSFW)

Not Amused...

 
abigsmurf 2009-11-23 04:50:07 AM  
Yeah... If you've a book that could potentially earn a fortune in an auction, don't say you found it on your toilet, even if it makes for a 'funny story'

 
pnkgtr 2009-11-23 05:11:31 AM  
i111.photobucket.com

This book has been flagged.

 
Deadite 2009-11-23 05:26:20 AM  
Kirk "Phallic objects fit in my hand/mouth so there must be a god!" Cameron failed his mission in destroying a first edition and replacing it with his modified version.

 
Mad Scientist 2009-11-23 05:36:06 AM  
Did it have a 50 page bogus introduction by Ray "grip my banana" Comfort?

 
moops 2009-11-23 05:48:47 AM  
Day_Old_Dutchie: Welcome to the 'reading room'.

That's a lot of flagged books

/hope there's no Koran in that toilet

 
LewDux 2009-11-23 05:52:17 AM  
"The Origin of Species" turned me into homosexual. ~ Tim DeLuxe

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. ~ Philip Dick


Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep God out of their brainwaves.

 
jwa007 [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 06:02:21 AM  
LewDux: Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep God out of their brainwaves.

Evolution is the name we gave to a process we have observed that would allow complex species to have evolved from simpler life forms. We do not understand it fully, and it does not address where the simple life forms came from. Many people, called morons, attempt to fill the gaps of evolutionary knowledge with supernatural garbarge, such as god, jesus, or aliens. These people are extremely loud and vocal and obnoxious. They are entitled to their opinions, of course, but are an embarrassment to their enlightened kin.

/I don't know about his DeLuxe guy, but personally the joys of sodomy is what keeps me wanting more homosexual encounters.

 
GungFu 2009-11-23 06:12:23 AM  
DarWINed!

 
buddyrtr 2009-11-23 06:31:46 AM  
When I first read the headline, all I could think was "Eeww!".

 
untaken_name 2009-11-23 06:40:58 AM  
Welp, the toilet's a great place for it. I mean, come on, do we still use math textbooks from the 1800s? I don't think so. It's old and outdated, thus it is worthless. There are a lot more current books out there if you're interested in biology. Veneration of the past makes no sense. Things become "new" and "improved" for a reason: the old stuff isn't as good. This pathetic past-worship does nothing but hold us back.

 
Vertdang 2009-11-23 07:08:45 AM  
untaken_name: Welp, the toilet's a great place for it. I mean, come on, do we still use math textbooks from the 1800s? I don't think so. It's old and outdated, thus it is worthless. There are a lot more current books out there if you're interested in biology. Veneration of the past makes no sense. Things become "new" and "improved" for a reason: the old stuff isn't as good. This pathetic past-worship does nothing but hold us back.

So forget everything that ever happened. And ditch everything that ever used old stuff to come up with a new hypothesis.

/abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
//those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

 
untaken_name 2009-11-23 07:13:03 AM  
Vertdang: So forget everything that ever happened. And ditch everything that ever used old stuff to come up with a new hypothesis.

/abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
//those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.


Of course, those are the only choices that exist. We can't learn from history, incorporate those lessons, and then move on. It's either all or nothing with you people. Go ahead and venerate the past. I'm sure we'll all enjoy watching you trundle down the road in your carriage and six while wearing your top hat and frilly cravat. Wait, you don't do those things that used to be commonplace. Why, you're just doomed to repeat history, then!

 
No Such Agency 2009-11-23 07:25:16 AM  
untaken_name:
Welp, the toilet's a great place for it. I mean, come on, do we still use math textbooks from the 1800s? I don't think so. It's old and outdated, thus it is worthless. There are a lot more current books out there if you're interested in biology. Veneration of the past makes no sense. Things become "new" and "improved" for a reason: the old stuff isn't as good. This pathetic past-worship does nothing but hold us back.

I know this is a troll, because it's sort of how I would have written it to troll with. But it does raise a good point.

As the recent debacle with Ray Comfort's distribution of heavily edited thoroughly bastardized copies of OoS shows, Creationists really do think that by attacking Darwin both professionally and personally, they will somehow undermine and discredit the theory of evolution by natural selection.

They are so, so, oh so wrong. Even if, by 9 am tomorrow, Darwin was shown to have falsified all his data and spent his spare time raping Boer War orphans, evolution would still stand as the scientifically valid explanation for life's diversity. The last century of extensive and internally consistent research findings by thousands of scientists studying all aspects of life bears that out. Every study done, on fossils or living species, confirms that random mutation and natural selection are the primary way life has diversified over several billion years of the Earth's history. A single discovery - for example a Cambrian mammal fossil, could utterly discredit this theory, but that has not happened, and I'd bet a lot of money (i.e. my whole career as a biologist) that it will not happen.

 
Ed Grubermann [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 07:47:28 AM  
Deadite: Kirk "Phallic objects fit in my hand/mouth so there must be a god!" Cameron failed his mission in destroying a first edition and replacing it with his modified version.

Well, it's actually Ray "Banana Man" Comfort who wrote the 50-page smear job on the "special 150th anniversary edition. Kirk is just his little knob goblin. I wonder how many of those 50,000 copies they managed to give out and how many people laughed in their faces. I also wonder if they restored the missing chapters like they said they would. I seriously doubt it as they are lying little bastards.

 
Vertdang 2009-11-23 07:53:09 AM  
untaken_name: Vertdang: So forget everything that ever happened. And ditch everything that ever used old stuff to come up with a new hypothesis.

/abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
//those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

Of course, those are the only choices that exist. We can't learn from history, incorporate those lessons, and then move on. It's either all or nothing with you people. Go ahead and venerate the past. I'm sure we'll all enjoy watching you trundle down the road in your carriage and six while wearing your top hat and frilly cravat. Wait, you don't do those things that used to be commonplace. Why, you're just doomed to repeat history, then!


That does seem to be what you're advocating in your furst poast.

/man of science
//can alter a hypothesis, as well as improve on past lessons farkyouverymuch

 
Ed Grubermann [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 07:53:34 AM  
No Such Agency: A single discovery - for example a Cambrian mammal fossil, could utterly discredit this theory.

www.trilobite.org
What a Cambrian Bunny might look like.
/The Jesus gets the spare!

 
Origin_of_the_Feces 2009-11-23 07:58:41 AM  
Lol whut?

 
Pvt Joker 2009-11-23 08:10:41 AM  
LewDux: "The Origin of Species" turned me into homosexual. ~ Tim DeLuxe

It turned me into a newt!

 
jwa007 [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 08:21:23 AM  
Pvt Joker: It turned me into a newt!

A newt?

 
Pants full of macaroni!! 2009-11-23 08:24:15 AM  
LewDux: "The Origin of Species" turned me into homosexual. ~ Tim DeLuxe

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. ~ Philip Dick


Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep God out of their brainwaves.


Hey, the Bevets-bot has a new name!

 
Ed Grubermann [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 08:42:04 AM  
jwa007: Pvt Joker: It turned me into a newt!

A newt?


www.trilobite.org

 
GilRuiz1 2009-11-23 08:48:06 AM  
snugglyhugs: I wonder how long we will be able to talk about the finding of a rare first edition book before this thread becomes about supernatural beings.

This will inevitably happen:
i224.photobucket.com

 
No Such Agency 2009-11-23 08:56:37 AM  
Ed Grubermann:
What a Cambrian Bunny might look like.

Cambrian vorpal bunny is more like. At least, if one's bodyplan had a "head" back then, which certainly wasn't a given.

 
abb3w [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 09:09:31 AM  
No Such Agency: A single discovery - for example a Cambrian mammal fossil, could utterly discredit this theory

Quibble: not utterly. It would be a major problem, but a single Cambrian bunny would at this point be more likely to strengthen the various string theories over in physics that allow for closed spacetime loops.

At this point, it would take a lot more than any single piece of evidence; much more likely is instead a new conceptual development which would result in a major refinement of theory that supplants the modern evolutionary-genetic synthesis, in the way Einstein supplanted Newton by modification. At which point, it still isn't "utterly discredited", but reduced to a special-case approximation. Discovery of non-DNA based life using liquid NH3 as solvent instead of water (say, on one of the Uranian moons) might do something like that.

Note that we still teach Newtonian physics, however....

 
Antimatter 2009-11-23 09:19:13 AM  
abb3w: No Such Agency: A single discovery - for example a Cambrian mammal fossil, could utterly discredit this theory

Quibble: not utterly. It would be a major problem, but a single Cambrian bunny would at this point be more likely to strengthen the various string theories over in physics that allow for closed spacetime loops.

At this point, it would take a lot more than any single piece of evidence; much more likely is instead a new conceptual development which would result in a major refinement of theory that supplants the modern evolutionary-genetic synthesis, in the way Einstein supplanted Newton by modification. At which point, it still isn't "utterly discredited", but reduced to a special-case approximation. Discovery of non-DNA based life using liquid NH3 as solvent instead of water (say, on one of the Uranian moons) might do something like that.

Note that we still teach Newtonian physics, however....


It wouldn't discredit the theory, it would simply suggest a different ancestor for mammalian lifeforms.

the discovery of non-earth life again, would do nothing to discredit evolution. What it would do is potentially prove it, provided alien fossils show similar specialization occurring.

 
Obnox [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 09:29:18 AM  
Ed Grubermann: Deadite: Kirk "Phallic objects fit in my hand/mouth so there must be a god!" Cameron failed his mission in destroying a first edition and replacing it with his modified version.

Well, it's actually Ray "Banana Man" Comfort who wrote the 50-page smear job on the "special 150th anniversary edition. Kirk is just his little knob goblin. I wonder how many of those 50,000 copies they managed to give out and how many people laughed in their faces. I also wonder if they restored the missing chapters like they said they would. I seriously doubt it as they are lying little bastards.


I think they start handing those out today, as a matter of fact. I'm hoping for some amusing news articles on the whole thing before the day is over.

 
greentea1985 [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 09:32:43 AM  
LewDux: "The Origin of Species" turned me into homosexual. ~ Tim DeLuxe

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. ~ Philip Dick


Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep God out of their brainwaves.


Did Bevets get an alt?

 
Wet Toilette Paper 2009-11-23 09:49:18 AM  
Vertdang: untaken_name: Welp, the toilet's a great place for it. I mean, come on, do we still use math textbooks from the 1800s? I don't think so. It's old and outdated, thus it is worthless. There are a lot more current books out there if you're interested in biology. Veneration of the past makes no sense. Things become "new" and "improved" for a reason: the old stuff isn't as good. This pathetic past-worship does nothing but hold us back.

So forget everything that ever happened. And ditch everything that ever used old stuff to come up with a new hypothesis.

/abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
//those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.


I hear that "learn from history bit" a lot, but all I hear from our politicians, scientists, businessmen, and lawyers is that "this has never happened before! There is no historical precedent!" tripe. What do you expect?

 
No Such Agency 2009-11-23 09:56:48 AM  
abb3w:
No Such Agency: A single discovery - for example a Cambrian mammal fossil, could utterly discredit this theory

Quibble: not utterly. It would be a major problem, but a single Cambrian bunny would at this point be more likely to strengthen the various string theories over in physics that allow for closed spacetime loops.


I nicked the Cambrian mammal thing from Dawkins, my point generally is that the sequence of fossil relatives is in sequence - that is, species do not ever appear in the fossil record before their own evolutionary ancestors (not a tautology, since descent can be inferred from ancestral and novel traits). If things were found that grossly violated that putative sequence, it would require a serious rethinking of what we currently accept as true.

 
Balchinian 2009-11-23 10:12:55 AM  
This copy of the book is worthless not because of its age or the content, but because so many of the pages are missing.

/old bathroom books FTW.

 
otterly_delicious 2009-11-23 10:24:34 AM  
I read the headline as "The origin of spices..."

 
cptjeff 2009-11-23 10:25:11 AM  
Why on earth can't I find stuff worth £60,000 in my house? C'mon...

\Actually, I have a pocket bible from the late 1600's... That might be worth something.
\\Mine!

 
Ant 2009-11-23 10:38:33 AM  
In Britain, the phrase "in a toilet" obviously does not mean the same thing as it does in the USA.

 
jwa007 [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 10:40:34 AM  
cptjeff: \Actually, I have a pocket bible from the late 1600's... That might be worth something.

If you have the "Bugger all" Bible, I understand those bring in quite the large sums these days.

 
jbrooks544 2009-11-23 10:53:47 AM  
"Please take it home. We don't want it near the other books."

/G.C.

 
Greil 2009-11-23 10:54:15 AM  
Obnox: Ed Grubermann: Deadite: Kirk "Phallic objects fit in my hand/mouth so there must be a god!" Cameron failed his mission in destroying a first edition and replacing it with his modified version.

Well, it's actually Ray "Banana Man" Comfort who wrote the 50-page smear job on the "special 150th anniversary edition. Kirk is just his little knob goblin. I wonder how many of those 50,000 copies they managed to give out and how many people laughed in their faces. I also wonder if they restored the missing chapters like they said they would. I seriously doubt it as they are lying little bastards.

I think they start handing those out today, as a matter of fact. I'm hoping for some amusing news articles on the whole thing before the day is over.


I got a copy handed to me as I was walking. I took it without thinking cause I was focused on other things, but it did occur to me that I only ever see religious people handing stuff out. I thought it was a nice change. I was very, very wrong. now 'm saving the book for the eventual burning.

 
ObscureNameHere 2009-11-23 11:04:20 AM  
What we need to focus on is what sort of toilet it was found in.

Types of Toilets will vary by region and country, with the single necessity of the flushing function manifesting in a vast array of different handles, colours and seat heights. If I many refer to the extensive treatise of Dr. M. Crappton on the subject, the standard domestic toilet shows a much greater rigidity of form when compared to the more rustic variety that populate the rural areas of Northern Europe. However, once basic functionality has been acheived, Nature seems to allow for curious Variety to be sustained, be it a horizontal push-drop handle, a tank-top push-button, or even an over-head tank and chain arrangement....

/yes, I am reading The Orgin of Species, are you?

 
simpsonfan 2009-11-23 11:59:40 AM  
The Biography of Sir Thomas Crapper would have been more fitting.

 
LewDux 2009-11-23 12:28:57 PM  
You know you are right when people are afraid to click on your links because they are afraid of truth ~Me

Truth will set you free. ~ You don't know him

Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep Cod out of their brainwaves.

 
zz9 [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-11-23 12:49:52 PM  
Ant: In Britain, the phrase "in a toilet" obviously does not mean the same thing as it does in the USA.

In Britain "toilet", in this context, means the room. Not that actual toilet itself.

 
ducttape2021 2009-11-23 12:52:58 PM  
Ed Grubermann: Deadite: Kirk "Phallic objects fit in my hand/mouth so there must be a god!" Cameron failed his mission in destroying a first edition and replacing it with his modified version.

Well, it's actually Ray "Banana Man" Comfort who wrote the 50-page smear job on the "special 150th anniversary edition. Kirk is just his little knob goblin. I wonder how many of those 50,000 copies they managed to give out and how many people laughed in their faces. I also wonder if they restored the missing chapters like they said they would. I seriously doubt it as they are lying little bastards.


I got myself one of those "special edition" copies while waiting in line for Richard Dawkin's lecture at Indiana University in October. It included a card about how Darwinism led to Hitler.

 
jwa007 [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 12:56:58 PM  
LewDux: Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep Cod out of their brainwaves.

I'm really more afraid of the herring than I am the cod in my brainwaves, thanks very much for your concern though.

/mmmmm Seafood....om nom nom nom.

 
greentea1985 [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 01:02:27 PM  
LewDux: You know you are right when people are afraid to click on your links because they are afraid of truth ~Me

Truth will set you free. ~ You don't know him

Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep Cod out of their brainwaves.


It's official. The link proves it. Bevets got himself an alt due to being ignored in so many threads. He thought he could evolve his profile in order to get around our defenses.

 
Ed Grubermann [TotalFark] 2009-11-23 01:11:40 PM  
ducttape2021: I got myself one of those "special edition" copies while waiting in line for Richard Dawkin's lecture at Indiana University in October. It included a card about how Darwinism led to Hitler.

What's funny is that Hitler was a creationist who thought the thoery of evolution was a damnable sin.

 
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