It means that I have a job in the future!

Actually a 200 TeV collider is just insane. However I wonder fear that these will also face similar setbacks will happen to these future projects like what happened to the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas.

Canadian Canuck: It means that I have a job in the future!

Actually a 200 TeV collider is just insane. However I wonder fear that these will also face similar setbacks will happen to these future projects like what happened to the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas.


Apparently I fail at proofreading.

Canadian Canuck: Canadian Canuck: It means that I have a job in the future!

Apparently I fail at proofreading.

And English

Last night NBC News reported that it turned itself on while all the scientists were home in bed. WTF was that all about?

Are we actually going to war with the future?

Godamnlimey: Canadian Canuck: Canadian Canuck: It means that I have a job in the future!

Apparently I fail at proofreading.

And English

He's Canadian... What did you expect? How 'bout those Flames and Leafs, eh?

A group at CERN recently explored the various scenarios that might emerge from the atomic cosmik debris in Geneva

Who they jivin'?

In so much of hurry because they think we could. They didn't stop to think if we should.



That's how it always goes, at first there are ooo's and ahhh's. And then there is running and screaming.

"If no Higgs is detected after three years of the LHC running at full energy, then this points to a more complicated Higgs field. It could be because the Higgs decays to known particles that are difficult to detect at the LHC or it decays to invisible particles - ones that don't interact with the detector.

Failure could also be a sign of a non-standard model Higgs - which would mean it could be lighter or heavier than expected and thus harder to find. Or it could indicate a more exotic Higgs field - perhaps with several different Higgs bosons interacting in a way not yet fully understood.
"

I like how they don't mention a possibility that it might not exist if it isn't detected. You'd think that it might deserve at least one sentence of acknowledgement as a possibility. It is nothing but theoretical right now, correct?

Just in case the LHC doesn't create a super massive black hole and ends the universe, here's what scientists are planning next

The inappropriate use of "ends" instead of "end" changes the meaning of the sentence.

If the LHC doesn't create a super massive black hole, and if the LHC ends the universe, then scientists won't be able to plan anything next.

Discovering new ways that French pastry can foil scientific machinery!

ryanguy7890: I like how they don't mention a possibility that it might not exist if it isn't detected. You'd think that it might deserve at least one sentence of acknowledgement as a possibility. It is nothing but theoretical right now, correct?

Well, there needs to be *something*. It may not be a traditional Higgs, but IIRC the Standard Model has problems unless there's something within roughly the energy range of the LHC - problems like certain processes having probability greater than 1.

How hard the Higgs is to detect also depends on what mass it is as that affects the decay channels - some are easier to spot than others.

The LHC detecting nothing at all will lead to quite a bit of head scratching.

Rising Ape: The LHC detecting nothing at all will lead to quite a bit of head scratching.

I am going to recommend they stock up now on Gold Bond lotion.

Not saying they won't detect anything, but am betting it will not turn out to be what they are looking for.

Not that that's a bad thing.

Rising Ape: Well, there needs to be *something*.

I don't want to start a flamewar or anything, but it is called the "God particle" for a reason. What if they don't find anything?

Godamnlimey: Canadian Canuck: Canadian Canuck: It means that I have a job in the future!

Apparently I fail at proofreading.

And English

I have read my sentence a few times and I don't see what's wrong with it. Please elaborate.

ryanguy7890: Rising Ape: Well, there needs to be *something*.

I don't want to start a flamewar or anything, but it is called the "God particle" for a reason. What if they don't find anything?

Yeah I thought of this too, it's like every ones convinced the universe must make some causal sense in some way just because it always, for the most part, has so far. What if nothing exists in it's place, and the universe at the end of the day just doesn't make sense, and things just behave the way they behave and interact how they interact regardless, or at least we're too dumb or at a far too limited perspective to make sense of it all.


The only problem with this isn't that I don't find it to be in the realm of possibilities, it's that there are several times in history when it was the possible end all, just is, it just doesn't behave any other way, answer, and yet we've gone on to discover new realms of causal and interactive agents anyway. If we haven't discovered anything more in 500 years and have chased all the rabbits down all the holes and come back out with nothing, then we probably should just submit that we're either too dumb as a species or the universe just behaves the way it does nevertheless, and doesn't make sense. Until we've at least tried out a substantial amount of these mathematically sound models and phenomenologically fitting hypothesis, I say keep going until they've all been tested, they don't refer to science as trying to find your way via a candle in the dark for nothing.

sip111: What if nothing exists in it's place, and the universe at the end of the day just doesn't make sense, and things just behave the way they behave and interact how they interact regardless, or at least we're too dumb or at a far too limited perspective to make sense of it all.

Because that doesn't mesh with what we've learned so far and that idea doesn't help us to understand anything.

Canadian Canuck: Godamnlimey: Canadian Canuck: Canadian Canuck: It means that I have a job in the future!

Apparently I fail at proofreading.

And English

I have read my sentence a few times and I don't see what's wrong with it. Please elaborate.


I think you "*will have a job in the future"....is grammatical issues he's having.


...not me though, I think you're perfect just the way you are.


/but not in a gay way

Wow....my lack of proofreading skills went blazing like a supernova on that last post.


/I'll be over there

oldebayer: Last night NBC News reported that it turned itself on while all the scientists were home in bed. WTF was that all about?

Are we actually going to war with the future?

We're already at war with the future in the future. The LHC sabotage is being conducted by people or machines years from now that are determined to preserve (or change) the timeline as it affected them thanks to the LHC's activation (or failure). The Higgs boson was found to produce scalar fields that are crucial in the world of quantum mechanics to creating links between points in time. The success of the LHC will make time travel or extratemporal communication possible, a scenario that is central to the war already being fought in the future.

/tin foil asshattery

Attention "particle colliders will destroy earth" people:

Events with billions of times more energy than any accelerator scientists have ever dreamed of have been happenning in the upper atmosphere since Earth was born and it's still here.

I'm anxious about what happens in the LHC for a different reason... If they do find the Higgs in the expected manner, that's it. The crowning jewel of the Standard Model. No more revolutionary physics or new particles until you build a machine capable of recreating the Big Bang itself, as I understand it.

/There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxy

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Fail in Human Form: sip111: What if nothing exists in it's place, and the universe at the end of the day just doesn't make sense, and things just behave the way they behave and interact how they interact regardless, or at least we're too dumb or at a far too limited perspective to make sense of it all.

Because that doesn't mesh with what we've learned so far and that idea doesn't help us to understand anything.

in addition, we've figured out some pretty bizarre-ass shiat, and continue to make breakthrough after breakthrough. Why should we expect the universe in unknowable, now?fark gods. Humans are awesome.

erik-k: Attention "particle colliders will destroy earth" people:

Events with billions of times more energy than any accelerator scientists have ever dreamed of have been happenning in the upper atmosphere since Earth was born and it's still here.

I'm anxious about what happens in the LHC for a different reason... If they do find the Higgs in the expected manner, that's it. The crowning jewel of the Standard Model. No more revolutionary physics or new particles until you build a machine capable of recreating the Big Bang itself, as I understand it.

/There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxy

You still have to create a unified field theory, so no. We (as a species) still have a long long way to go. There are questions to answer that we aren't even aware of yet.

keithgabryelski: Fail in Human Form: sip111: What if nothing exists in it's place, and the universe at the end of the day just doesn't make sense, and things just behave the way they behave and interact how they interact regardless, or at least we're too dumb or at a far too limited perspective to make sense of it all.

Because that doesn't mesh with what we've learned so far and that idea doesn't help us to understand anything.

in addition, we've figured out some pretty bizarre-ass shiat, and continue to make breakthrough after breakthrough. Why should we expect the universe in unknowable, now?fark gods. Humans are awesome.

I wasn't suggesting a god-o-gaps I was suggesting in the face of my faux scenario, after X long long years and exploring, testing, every fitting model hypothesized that in the case absolutely no (at all, meaning nothing new discovered period) progress in the fields involving particle accelerator science/ physics was made that it would be money better spent in other endeavors, and that the "giving up b/c we're too dumb scenario" might be taken more seriously. I am well aware of why that's not beneficial as it stands now, but from a cost benefits scenario it sure as hell is economically, to avoid the plausible physics science sunken cost scenario and being able to identify it.

DJanomaly:
I think you "*will have a job in the future"....is grammatical issues he's having.


...not me though, I think you're perfect just the way you are.


/but not in a gay way

That's why I am a physics major and not an English major. I actually hope to apply for a CERN summer research job after undergrad. By that time the LHC will be up to full capacity and setting some very preliminary data.

erik-k:

/There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxy

I dream of the day (or night I guess) where I go outside and there's a pretty splotch in the sky where Betelgeuse used to be.

Or WR-104...

As someone who just got a fellowship to work on the ILC, I'm getting a kick out of that hilarious AT-AT gif that always makes me rofl.

Fail in Human Form: You still have to create a unified field theory, so no. We (as a species) still have a long long way to go. There are questions to answer that we aren't even aware of yet.

The problem is, without the ability to test those theories we might as well go with "It Magicks Itself" and be done. Past the LHC energy level is expected to be a desert until you reach GUT or Planck energy levels. A particle accelerator that can reach those energies would require post-Singularity-level engineering, and this energy scale just doesn't happen in nature any more - the most energetic cosmic rays detected are about 1/10000 of the way there. All we can do is watch for signs at lower energies.

/Hopes they build a particle accelerator all the way around geosynchronous orbit some day

I'm going to propose the Hyper-compact collider: instead of using kilometers of superconducting magnets the next generation of supercollider should use hyper-intense magnetic fields to fold the space the particles travel through into a spirograph style hypertorus. With sufficiently intense magnetic fields you should be able to get that into 5U of rack space.
/or not.

I dream of the day (or night I guess) where I go outside and there's a pretty splotch in the sky where Betelgeuse used to be.

Or WR-104...


THIS!

The Supernova should be visible during the day, but I still check Orion every night.

erik-k: /There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxy

As a neutrino physicist, I pray for one every night.

Rickerkioz: erik-k: /There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxy

I dream of the day (or night I guess) where I go outside and there's a pretty splotch in the sky where Betelgeuse used to be.

Or WR-104...

I hope Eta Carinae blows up in my lifetime... that will be one hell of a view.

erik-k: Past the LHC energy level is expected to be a desert until you reach GUT or Planck energy levels.

And Planck energy levels would melt the fabric of space time. So we'd have that going for us.

Ironclad2: erik-k: /There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxy

As a neutrino physicist, I pray for one every night.



Reportedly not amused by the notion.

//hows that for an obscure reference?

Antimatter: Ironclad2: erik-k: /There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxy

As a neutrino physicist, I pray for one every night.



Reportedly not amused by the notion.

//hows that for an obscure reference?



Lets try that again, shall we?

snugglyhugs: I thought that thing was broken

What do you mean "next" submitter, have they done anything yet?

You may find this surprising, but us scientists always like to speculate about what's next and/or new.

erik-k: You may find this surprising, but us scientists always like to speculate about what's next and/or new.

It's "we" scientists, doofus. And other than the bad grammar, I am with you all the way.

I am always ready and willing to be surprised. :~)

This things goes online 100% when? 2012?

erik-k: Attention "particle colliders will destroy earth" people:

Events with billions of times more energy than any accelerator scientists have ever dreamed of have been happenning in the upper atmosphere since Earth was born and it's still here.

I'm anxious about what happens in the LHC for a different reason... If they do find the Higgs in the expected manner, that's it. The crowning jewel of the Standard Model. No more revolutionary physics or new particles until you build a machine capable of recreating the Big Bang itself, as I understand it.

/There's still LIGO
//Now if only a supernova would go off in our galaxyshiat. Make life interesting. Have one go off less than 50 ly away....

EchoMike: oldebayer: Last night NBC News reported that it turned itself on while all the scientists were home in bed. WTF was that all about?

Are we actually going to war with the future?

We're already at war with the future in the future. The LHC sabotage is being conducted by people or machines years from now that are determined to preserve (or change) the timeline as it affected them thanks to the LHC's activation (or failure). The Higgs boson was found to produce scalar fields that are crucial in the world of quantum mechanics to creating links between points in time. The success of the LHC will make time travel or extratemporal communication possible, a scenario that is central to the war already being fought in the future.

/tin foil asshattery

I say the LHC is a plot by the Daleks to travel back before the Time War, and finally gain the edge too gain supremacy over the universe. The Doctor has come and is trying his best to stop them.

/just IMHO...

i heard somewhere that after the fuse meltdown fiasco the engineers they hired to fix the problem did an analysis of that particular system and discovered the numbers just don't pencil out and the collider will never reach the max power level they say it will.
that being said, isn't the Tower of Babel a story about what happens to people who go looking for god? Atlantis? the Philadelphia Experiment? stories and myths abound. knowing humans, i am sure this is not the first, nor will it be the last time humans stick their fingers in the light socket to see where the light comes from.

Came for the Muse reference, leaving satisfied.

darkvstar: i heard somewhere that after the fuse meltdown fiasco the engineers they hired to fix the problem did an analysis of that particular system and discovered the numbers just don't pencil out and the collider will never reach the max power level they say it will.
that being said, isn't the Tower of Babel a story about what happens to people who go looking for god? Atlantis? the Philadelphia Experiment? stories and myths abound. knowing humans, i am sure this is not the first, nor will it be the last time humans stick their fingers in the light socket to see where the light comes from.

Ugh.

Screw this Type-13 planet.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/11/large_hadron_collider_ready_to.html

Some really cool pictures of the LHC, and a really cool site in general