Oh come on. Then replay half of the NBA Playoff games, a good percentage of NFL games, and pretty much all of the 2009 MLB playoffs.

Good teams overcome bad calls.

downstairs: Oh come on. Then replay half of the NBA Playoff games, a good percentage of NFL games, and pretty much all of the 2009 MLB playoffs.

Good teams overcome bad calls.

You mean, unless they play in the SEC. Hard to win when the intended outcome is all but scripted by the refs.

whistleridge: downstairs: Oh come on. Then replay half of the NBA Playoff games, a good percentage of NFL games, and pretty much all of the 2009 MLB playoffs.

Good teams overcome bad calls.

You mean, unless they play in the SEC. Hard to win when the intended outcome is all but scripted by the refs.

Exactly... and besides, this is the French we're talking about here.

Is anything actually stopping the French and Irish teams from playing a new game?

netweavr: Is anything actually stopping the French and Irish teams from playing a new game?

FIFA?

so long as they drug test the argy team prior to the rematch, i'm fine with it.

OlafTheBent: netweavr: Is anything actually stopping the French and Irish teams from playing a new game?

FIFA?

I think their argument is that "missing a call" is not the same as "making a bad call."

Although, if I was FIFA, I'd think long and hard about how much revenue just one more game could generate.

/Also liked the headline "The Hand of Frog." That was classy.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I think their argument is that "missing a call" is not the same as "making a bad call."

Semanitcs. Its not like that beach ball that blew onto the field, where the angle of the ball was completely changed in a way no goalie could be expected to defend. In other words, the goalie in this case could still reasonably be expected to block the kick off the dude's hand.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I think their argument is that "missing a call" is not the same as "making a bad call."

The argument from FIFA is the Rule of Law states that a ref's call on the field is absolute.

Robbie Keene says that the fact that the head of UEFA (commission in charge of European international play) is French and has displayed a strong negative opinion on the teams across the Channel, plus the estimated one billion pounds in income for the winning team is a bit fishy.

I think I agree with Keene...

The French cheat... well, that's never happened before.

... "We disagree" says the couple below

OlafTheBent: netweavr: Is anything actually stopping the French and Irish teams from playing a new game?

FIFA?

How does that stop two teams from playing? Is there some agreement "You shall not play any games without our approval?"

netweavr: How does that stop two teams from playing? Is there some agreement "You shall not play any games without our approval?"

Sure they can play... but would it count?

OlafTheBent: netweavr: How does that stop two teams from playing? Is there some agreement "You shall not play any games without our approval?"

Sure they can play... but would it count?

If France wins, nothing changes.

If Ireland wins, France withdraws from the Cup.

netweavr: OlafTheBent: netweavr: How does that stop two teams from playing? Is there some agreement "You shall not play any games without our approval?"

Sure they can play... but would it count?

If France wins, nothing changes.

If Ireland wins, France withdraws from the Cup.

hmm... if France would be willing to go along with that, maybe.

/But I doubt they'd be willing.

netweavr: How does that stop two teams from playing? Is there some agreement "You shall not play any games without our approval?"

FIFA is the God of football (aka soccer). What FIFA says goes. If they say there's no replay, they can play all they want...but it's not going to count.

However, the Irish football association (can't remember their name because Ireland typically sucks in world play) could sue in the EU and try to get the courts to overrule. Not sure if there's a precedent for that or not to be honest.

Abstruse: netweavr: How does that stop two teams from playing? Is there some agreement "You shall not play any games without our approval?"

FIFA is the God of football (aka soccer). What FIFA says goes. If they say there's no replay, they can play all they want...but it's not going to count.

However, the Irish football association (can't remember their name because Ireland typically sucks in world play) could sue in the EU and try to get the courts to overrule. Not sure if there's a precedent for that or not to be honest.

It doesn't matter who FIFA is. The teams can make their own choice to play.

They can make further decisions based ont he outcome of that game.

It may not get Ireland into the Cup, but it would restore integrity to France.

netweavr: It may not get Ireland into the Cup, but it would restore integrity to France.

Like I said, they can play all they want. Doesn't mean a damn thing.

Ireland's best hope is they listen to the outrage and ban Henry from international play for the cut.

netweavr: They can make further decisions based ont he outcome of that game.

No, because they don't run the World Cup or the qualifying. Yes, France and Ireland could play friendlies every weekend, but FIFA sets up the tournament, and consider the matches to have been played, the decisions of the refereee final, the result 2-1 France after home and away.

Abstruse: The argument from FIFA is the Rule of Law states that a ref's call on the field is absolute.

Yeah, but that's quite the point here: it's not that they made a bad call, it's that they didn't even make a call.

I still say there's buttloads of money for FIFA to make from a replay.

pandabear: netweavr: They can make further decisions based ont he outcome of that game.

No, because they don't run the World Cup or the qualifying. Yes, France and Ireland could play friendlies every weekend, but FIFA sets up the tournament, and consider the matches to have been played, the decisions of the refereee final, the result 2-1 France after home and away.


It will never happen, but if France were serious about trying to make amends, they could refuse to play in the WC until the problem was seriously addressed. FIFA only has authority because the countries allow it. If someone chooses not to play their stupid game, there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

However, France, like every other nation (even the US, although they would never admit it), wants to play in the WC, so like I said...this has a 0% chance of happening.

whistleridge: they could refuse to play in the WC

I wonder what FIFA would do if France actually withdrew at this point. They need 13 teams from Europe. They might let Ireland through. They might go back and get either the group second-best that didn't make the playoff, or recalculate the second from France's group, leaving out France (but this might change the winner of France's group, and wouldn't that be a mess), and make one of those teams play Ireland.

But you are right, France isn't going to withdraw, and FIFA isn't going to replay this game because of a missed call.

whistleridge: (even the US, although they would never admit it)

Ummm...the US national team qualified last month...we're going to South Africa...

My boss and I are going to have fun if US and England end up in the same group since he's from Manchester and we're both football fans :p

Abstruse: whistleridge: (even the US, although they would never admit it)

Ummm...the US national team qualified last month...we're going to South Africa...

My boss and I are going to have fun if US and England end up in the same group since he's from Manchester and we're both football fans :p

I meant nationally. Yes, we're going. And if we didn't, we'd pretend like we don't care, but secretly we do.

If the US ever wins it all, you will see such an outpouring of fair-weather fandom as has never been before and will probably never be again.

whistleridge: Abstruse: whistleridge: (even the US, although they would never admit it)

Ummm...the US national team qualified last month...we're going to South Africa...

My boss and I are going to have fun if US and England end up in the same group since he's from Manchester and we're both football fans :p

I meant nationally. Yes, we're going. And if we didn't, we'd pretend like we don't care, but secretly we do.

If the US ever wins it all, you will see such an outpouring of fair-weather fandom as has never been before and will probably never be again.

Just like with swimming in 2008.

I can understand their frustration. When the refs fark up something this bad, you wish there was some way to do it over.

You see this stuff in college football a lot: five downs, the bogus illegal formation call against Arkansas State when they had Texas on the ropes, the entire SEC reffing staff.

They should only agree to this if Ireland replays Georgia first after Keane's cheating handball won them that qualifying game.

Irish crybabies can't stop whining... go back to destroying your livers and getting into fights, you white trash.

netweavr: Is anything actually stopping the French and Irish teams from playing a new game?

It would honestly be a HORRIBLE precedent. See my last post, Ireland cheated with a handball (that was incorrectly called a handball on the OTHER team) when playing Georgia.

Does that match get a redo? Or since no one cares about Georgia but people love ireland (myself included) only the France-Ireland game gets replayed?

There are countless games that you could argue were decided by a faulty ref call. Pass interference not called in the NFL, a non-foul called a foul in basketball, a strike called a ball, etc. etc.

You can't redo every game after the fact based on replays. Where would it end?

netweavr: It doesn't matter who FIFA is. The teams can make their own choice to play.

They can make further decisions based ont he outcome of that game.

It may not get Ireland into the Cup, but it would restore integrity to France.

Man you guys are so full of shiat I can't even believe it.

Bill Frist: netweavr: Is anything actually stopping the French and Irish teams from playing a new game?

It would honestly be a HORRIBLE precedent. See my last post, Ireland cheated with a handball (that was incorrectly called a handball on the OTHER team) when playing Georgia.

Does that match get a redo? Or since no one cares about Georgia but people love ireland (myself included) only the France-Ireland game gets replayed?

There are countless games that you could argue were decided by a faulty ref call. Pass interference not called in the NFL, a non-foul called a foul in basketball, a strike called a ball, etc. etc.

You can't redo every game after the fact based on replays. Where would it end?

The Russians got a ridiculous red card in their playoff game when 1-0 down. I don't see any outrage over that around here.

pandabear: I wonder what FIFA would do if France actually withdrew at this point. They need 13 teams from Europe. They might let Ireland through.

Why would France do that? Even if they don't score that goal, the series is TIED and goes to penalty kicks. France didn't lose the series on the field (at worst they tied), why would they through it away off the field?

netweavr: whistleridge: Abstruse: whistleridge: (even the US, although they would never admit it)

Ummm...the US national team qualified last month...we're going to South Africa...

My boss and I are going to have fun if US and England end up in the same group since he's from Manchester and we're both football fans :p

I meant nationally. Yes, we're going. And if we didn't, we'd pretend like we don't care, but secretly we do.

If the US ever wins it all, you will see such an outpouring of fair-weather fandom as has never been before and will probably never be again.

Just like with swimming in 2008.

I think the World Cup is about 100x more important than the Gold in swimming. Hell, soccer is a lot more popular than swimming in the US. If the US won the World Cup that would be such a huge thing, much bigger than my stoner homie Phelps getting gold in swimming. The US as a whole would really enjoy winning the most prestigious sporting event for the world as a whole. We'd stop caring the next year but it would be a huge deal globally and definitely here.

Replay is a dumb idea.

The only retribution for this act is for FIFA to install some sort of video replay or hawk-eye.

And for Theirry Henry to publicly apologize to the world for cheating.

Flashman73: Irish crybabies can't stop whining... go back to destroying your livers and getting into fights, you white trash.

Holy crap, a France Fan Boy on Fark. i never thought I'd see it.

Vous manger du fromage sac à main de remise

Bill Frist: netweavr: Is anything actually stopping the French and Irish teams from playing a new game?

It would honestly be a HORRIBLE precedent. See my last post, Ireland cheated with a handball (that was incorrectly called a handball on the OTHER team) when playing Georgia.

Does that match get a redo? Or since no one cares about Georgia but people love ireland (myself included) only the France-Ireland game gets replayed?

There are countless games that you could argue were decided by a faulty ref call. Pass interference not called in the NFL, a non-foul called a foul in basketball, a strike called a ball, etc. etc.

You can't redo every game after the fact based on replays. Where would it end?

How about they have officials up in the booth only review every goal. If they see such an obvious offsides and handball then they will disallow it. Goals in soccer aren't easy to come by and reviewing goals wouldn't be hard to do. FIFA thinks like the MLB does but the people don't like it and having these games happen only cheapens the integrity of the results. What pride do the French have after winning that? They know they didn't deserve it.

Flashman73: Irish crybabies can't stop whining... go back to destroying your livers and getting into fights, you white trash.

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Flashman73: Irish crybabies can't stop whining... go back to destroying your livers and getting into fights, you white trash.

Either this is a monumental troll or you really are a French guy talking shiat on fark. Who the hell would like the French more than the Irish? Maybe you should rethink who the actual white trash is.

/not Irish

TonnageVT:
And for Theirry Henry to publicly apologize to the world for cheating.

He did. Twice already.

TheJoe03: How about they have officials up in the booth only review every goal. If they see such an obvious offsides and handball then they will disallow it

I'm a 100% in favor of some kind of replay or booth review system.

But in the case of THIS match, nothing should be done.

Again, Ireland beat Georgia in a qualifier because of a handball. I read an article in Ireland that described it as "the luck of the irish" that they won with the ref missing the handball.

But when the french win on a handball it is horrible cheating that is destroying the heart of the sport?

Pure undiluted horseshiat.

HENRY!!!



FERNANDO TORRES!


Sorry, just wanna get home and play fifa

poisonedpawn78: TonnageVT:
And for Theirry Henry to publicly apologize to the world for cheating.

He did. Twice already.

I'm still waiting on my Rooney apology for 2004.

shiat happens. Score more points.

Thierry Henry will never live this down, however. He just tainted his impressive career.

Sad. He was one of my favorites.

/should I still wear my Henry jersey?

TheJoe03: Who the hell would like the French more than the Irish? Maybe you should rethink who the actual white trash is.

/not Irish

Man lets stop the ethnic bashing. Both the french and irish are completely awesome. People who hate the french are retarded, those guys gave us more amazing art, literature, philosophy, cinema and food than any other country in existence. And the Irish are awesome as well.

Bill Frist: Again, Ireland beat Georgia in a qualifier because of a handball. I read an article in Ireland that described it as "the luck of the irish" that they won with the ref missing the handball.

But when the french win on a handball it is horrible cheating that is destroying the heart of the sport?

Pure undiluted horseshiat.

Not sure you make much of a case with a single article compared to the outrage of most people in this case.

Bill Frist: TheJoe03: How about they have officials up in the booth only review every goal. If they see such an obvious offsides and handball then they will disallow it

I'm a 100% in favor of some kind of replay or booth review system.

But in the case of THIS match, nothing should be done.

Again, Ireland beat Georgia in a qualifier because of a handball. I read an article in Ireland that described it as "the luck of the irish" that they won with the ref missing the handball.

But when the french win on a handball it is horrible cheating that is destroying the heart of the sport?

Pure undiluted horseshiat.

Didn't know about the whole "luck of the irish" thing, it actually now looks like karma, haha. I guess the difference is that this one was to go directly to the big dance. shiat happens and they can't do anything now but FIFA should look at implementing something either this World Cup or the next.

Bill Frist: those guys gave us more amazing art, literature, philosophy, cinema and food than any other country in existence.


I'd give food to the italians and cinema to the US!

bartink: Bill Frist: Again, Ireland beat Georgia in a qualifier because of a handball. I read an article in Ireland that described it as "the luck of the irish" that they won with the ref missing the handball.

But when the french win on a handball it is horrible cheating that is destroying the heart of the sport?

Pure undiluted horseshiat.

Not sure you make much of a case with a single article compared to the outrage of most people in this case.


Was there massive outrage over the handball that cheated Georgia out of the game?

No.

Is there massive outrage when a handball cheats Ireland out?

yes.

So it is hypocrisy. You prove my point.

bartink: Not sure you make much of a case with a single article compared to the outrage of most people in this case.

Oh come on it's always like that. English media was going nuts over this. When Owen cheated to win that penalty against Argentina they all gushed about how clever and brave he was. Same media that vilified Diego Simeone four years earlier when he got Beckham sent off.

Bill Frist: Man lets stop the ethnic bashing. Both the french and irish are completely awesome. People who hate the french are retarded, those guys gave us more amazing art, literature, philosophy, cinema and food than any other country in existence. And the Irish are awesome as well.

What are you farking Swiss or something? Yeah, you got the stench of Elderberries on ya.

While you motherfarking sissy marys think it is just fine and dandy to sing god damn Kumbaya down in the Alpine Valleys, the rest of the god damn world is perfectly content to kick France's ass up one side of the continent and down the other.

Bill Frist: Was there massive outrage over the handball that cheated Georgia out of the game?

No.

Is there massive outrage when a handball cheats Ireland out?

yes.

So it is hypocrisy. You prove my point.

Fair enough. But one article from Ireland is irrelevant, which was my point. Not sure how that proves any hypocrisy on my part. I didn't even know about the Irish handball. My lack of knowledge is telling about others hypocrisy in that it failed to get on my radar screen, however, so perhaps you are right in some round-a-bout way.