Tom Wolfe?

That's what they have in Canada. Pellet guns. It's a massive potential for masscres.

I believe that the problem is that hunting season needs more media coverage so that people will be more aware that there are hunters in the woods and if you want to take a nature walk during hunting season, wear some hunters orange.

I don't hunt so I have no idea when hunting season is. If I did, I'd bloody well make sure I was wearing the appropriate orange clothing.

... and increase fines for hunting while intoxicated exponentially

Sun God: That's what they have in Canada. Pellet guns. It's a massive potential for masscres.

There are more guns per person in Canada than in the US.

/... just sayin'

Why are hunting areas not separated from "recreational trails?" Canada confuses me.

OlafTheBent:
There are more guns per person in Canada than in the US.

/... just sayin'

Wat?

Of course they got shot, they were wearing white. Did they never see a movie? Happens all the time in movies. Character in white, character about to get shot.

Is not amused.

The rule about wearing white after Labor Day is now being walking in the woods during deer season has always been strictly enforced by men with guns.

Talk about your fashion doe-pas.

She's just lucky she didn't get hit in the head with a phone by Kathleen Turner. She would have had to live with that forever.

Blues_X: Is not amused.

lawl

MorrisBird: Why are hunting areas not separated from "recreational trails?" Canada confuses me.

The woods are apparently public land. This was horrid luck.

Did he have her head mounted and put it on his wall?

you really SHOULD wear an orange vest if you plan on going out into the woods any time after October. it's just common sense.

MorrisBird: Why are hunting areas not separated from "recreational trails?" Canada wilderness confuses me.

FTFY.

OlafTheBent: I believe that the problem is that hunting season needs more media coverage so that people will be more aware that there are hunters in the woods and if you want to take a nature walk during hunting season, wear some hunters orange.

I don't hunt so I have no idea when hunting season is. If I did, I'd bloody well make sure I was wearing the appropriate orange clothing.

... and increase fines for hunting while intoxicated exponentially

We've just moved to a slightly rural area (houses, but lots of land), and we've been VERY pleased that Hunter Orange is our son's favorite color. It doesn't prevent every chance accident, but it's one more protection, just in case.

Although I'm curious as to the 46 m shot for the buck. That's a fark of a long shot to take. We had a friend bow-hunting on our land, and his shots were maybe 4 m at the most. I know guns have a much longer range, but 46 m does seem a little careless.

911 operator: "Are you SURE she's dead?"

(Heard on cell phone) **BLAM!!**

Hunter: "OK. Now what?".

Day_Old_Dutchie: 911 operator: "Are you SURE she's dead?"

(Heard on cell phone) **BLAM!!**

Hunter: "OK. Now what?".

there is now soup on my monitor. i hope you are happy

Aidan: OlafTheBent: I believe that the problem is that hunting season needs more media coverage so that people will be more aware that there are hunters in the woods and if you want to take a nature walk during hunting season, wear some hunters orange.

I don't hunt so I have no idea when hunting season is. If I did, I'd bloody well make sure I was wearing the appropriate orange clothing.

... and increase fines for hunting while intoxicated exponentially

We've just moved to a slightly rural area (houses, but lots of land), and we've been VERY pleased that Hunter Orange is our son's favorite color. It doesn't prevent every chance accident, but it's one more protection, just in case.

Although I'm curious as to the 46 m shot for the buck. That's a fark of a long shot to take. We had a friend bow-hunting on our land, and his shots were maybe 4 m at the most. I know guns have a much longer range, but 46 m does seem a little careless.

Although the article does state it's a rifle, the judge mentioned something about a pellet, implying it's a shotgun. 46m seems a bit far for a shotgun with buckshot (never hunted that way, correct if wrong), but it's cake with a rifle. I've hit deer much further away without using a scope.

Don't you think hunting grounds could be someplace AWAY from recreational trails? Duh!

Parmenius: Aidan: Although I'm curious as to the 46 m shot for the buck. That's a fark of a long shot to take. We had a friend bow-hunting on our land, and his shots were maybe 4 m at the most. I know guns have a much longer range, but 46 m does seem a little careless.

Although the article does state it's a rifle, the judge mentioned something about a pellet, implying it's a shotgun. 46m seems a bit far for a shotgun with buckshot (never hunted that way, correct if wrong), but it's cake with a rifle. I've hit deer much further away without using a scope.

Alright. I can accept that. I know nothing about gun hunting yet. (Another precaution taken while our kid is too young to know how to be careful).

Approves of these shenanigans.



/hot like birdshot

Gun/Deer season starts tomorrow in WI. It's commonly understood that you stay the hell out of the woods, cornfields, state trails, rural roads for the last two weeks of November. Unless you're wearing blaze orange...and even that doesn't always guarantee your safety.

Know your target, everything near it and everything behind it before you shoot. There is no excuse for shooting a person.

/gun owner

Aidan: OlafTheBent: I believe that the problem is that hunting season needs more media coverage so that people will be more aware that there are hunters in the woods and if you want to take a nature walk during hunting season, wear some hunters orange.

I don't hunt so I have no idea when hunting season is. If I did, I'd bloody well make sure I was wearing the appropriate orange clothing.

... and increase fines for hunting while intoxicated exponentially

We've just moved to a slightly rural area (houses, but lots of land), and we've been VERY pleased that Hunter Orange is our son's favorite color. It doesn't prevent every chance accident, but it's one more protection, just in case.

Although I'm curious as to the 46 m shot for the buck. That's a fark of a long shot to take. We had a friend bow-hunting on our land, and his shots were maybe 4 m at the most. I know guns have a much longer range, but 46 m does seem a little careless.

46 meters is a very close range shot for a rifle (if that's what was used). I mean, that's only 150 feet (for those in the US like me). It'd be effortless to shoot something the size of a rabbit at that range, let alone a deer. Rifles can have an effective range of 500 meters, although at that distance you need a lot of skill.

Are you sure your friend was only 4 meters (13 feet) from the deer while bow-hunting? That's only slightly more than two adult males lying on the ground. That seems very unlikely, unless he was in a tree stand.

Also, WTF is a "flyer"? A ricochet?

TFA: but instead saw Schmid, who lives about 5 km from the forest, lying still on the trail with her headphones and MP3 beside her.

maybe if she was more aware of her surroundings things might have been different
/no, I'm not saying it's her fault

Based off of the article, I don't believe he did anything wrong and I don't think he was negligent. However, you have to question the logic of allowing hunting anywhere near a public trail, considering that a stray pellet managed to hit this woman. Keep public trails and hunting areas seperate.

SkittlesAreYum: Also, WTF is a "flyer"? A ricochet?

Occasionally a bullet will, for no reason other than maybe a manufacturing defect or anomaly, not be as accurate as the rest. That usually only means that it will be out of a grouping by an inch or two over the path of 100 yards, not a huge difference. This seems to be something else, maybe a deflection off vegetation or just a bad shot. TFA doesn't get too specific so I'm just speculating. There is a human factor here too, maybe the guy sees like Magoo.

Aidan: Alright. I can accept that. I know nothing about gun hunting yet. (Another precaution taken while our kid is too young to know how to be careful).

Your caution is admirable. However, you'd be surprised at how young you can introduce the shooting sports to children, if you do it carefully. The best time to teach proper caution and respect for guns is at a fairly young age. The best possible precaution you could take is to teach him how to shoot, all the while drilling the rules into his head.

You probably already know this, but still.

Maybe the middle of the woods during hunting season is not the best place to take a nap with headphones on.

/just sayin'

For those who do not know why white is a bad idea in hunting season:
a whitetail deer lifts its white tail when alarmed and to a hunter who sees this, you have about 1/4 of a second to get a shot off before the deer is hundreds of yards away.

If it was a day that allowed both does and bucks then any white tail can be shot. I recommend all hikers wear something like pink green or orange all florescent to keep from being shot.

He heard a "whining" sound. Makes me want to youtube the grape stomp lady.

Maybe he mounted her ipod above his fireplace?

rev. dave: For those who do not know why white is a bad idea in hunting season:
a whitetail deer lifts its white tail when alarmed and to a hunter who sees this, you have about 1/4 of a second to get a shot off before the deer is hundreds of yards away.

If it was a day that allowed both does and bucks then any white tail can be shot. I recommend all hikers wear something like pink green or orange all florescent to keep from being shot.

Good advice, but still, she was on a recreational trail. And apparently he didn't even shoot directly at her. WHy in god's name have a trail so close to a hunting area. There ought to be a buffer between recreational hiking areas and hunting areas. This is the Canadian wilderness we're talking about so there should be more than enough land to have seperate yet sizable hunting tracts and hiking areas to help reduce the possibility of tragedies like this happening.

Pariah

Your caution is admirable. However, you'd be surprised at how young you can introduce the shooting sports to children, if you do it carefully. The best time to teach proper caution and respect for guns is at a fairly young age. The best possible precaution you could take is to teach him how to shoot, all the while drilling the rules into his head.

You probably already know this, but still.

Just don't take the "smoke every cig in the pack" or "here, hold your hand next to the fire and feel why not to touch" method of teaching firearms safety.

I'm a regular trail runner & I've learned to avoid the woods for the first couple weeks of hunting season. I've come around a corner & faced some drunk redneck swinging his 12-gage my way because "heh, you sounded like a deer, man". You could wear a blaze-orange bunny suit and still get shot during that first week.

If he fired anywhere in a 45-degree angle of this woman, he should have spent some time behind bars. If you're going to hunt around public exercise trails, you should be personally held to a higher standard of care than just "I was following the rules".

If it was a freak ricochet, fine. Accidents do happen, and that's why I stay clear during the most dangerous period.

Deer Goggles helping normally responsible people to shoot innocent bystanders for over 200 years.

Great, now can we have muffin tops, crocs, uggs and flip flops in January banned with armed force? Please?

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Approves.

/doubts anyone will get it.
//I like it.
///Don't judge me.

R.A.Danny: SkittlesAreYum: Also, WTF is a "flyer"? A ricochet?

Occasionally a bullet will, for no reason other than maybe a manufacturing defect or anomaly, not be as accurate as the rest. That usually only means that it will be out of a grouping by an inch or two over the path of 100 yards, not a huge difference. This seems to be something else, maybe a deflection off vegetation or just a bad shot. TFA doesn't get too specific so I'm just speculating. There is a human factor here too, maybe the guy sees like Magoo.

I have also heard of the rounds that ricochet off of something in the ground refered to as flyers. It can be an important consideration. On our last machine gune shoot our BN gunner mentioned that they have to close the airspace thousands of feet above the range off because of the occasional .50 cal round that bounces straight up. Its a nightmare for range planning in small areas because people don't care if the bullet landed in their backyard after bouncing up and over the backstop, or if it got shot straight there.

Fine, no manslaughter charge. However as a hunter, if my bullet injured someone I would expect to be financially liable. If I killed someone I would expect to owe their family a fair percentage of my net worth. When I hunt or shoot I hold myself liable for every bullet, or shotgun blast I discharge.

Dumb biatch should have been wearing orange during big game season.

What a bullshiat ruling. I had a bowhunter release an arrow at me once, while I was trail running through an Iowa field in a bright blue Gore-tex winter jogging suit. Fortunately he was as bad a shot as he was a hunter.

It's called buck fever. A lot of hunters are marginally qualified outdoor types who only go into the woods in fall. And that goes triple for rifle/deer season. There was an Idaho man several years ago who got into a car accident, was crawling injured back up the roadside embankment, and was killed by a rifle hunter who thought he was a black bear. That nimrod didn't even have a bear permit, but he got off too.

Around Salt Lake City, they allow deer hunting on some of the most popular recreation trails in the valley (like City Creek). The place turns into a war zone thanks to pusswah hunters who don't want to walk very far.

Hell yeah I wear orange now, but the solution is for hunters to smarten up. Lotsa luck with that.

Eh, when I lived out in Oregon "hunting" apparently meant sitting on a lawn chair with a cooler next to you on a road overpass shooting deer as they tried to cross the railroad tracks below with rifles, so if this impacts people's 'right to hunt' I don't really care.

atlas spanked: Hell yeah I wear orange now, but the solution is for hunters to smarten up. Lotsa luck with that.

When I lived in Wisconsin, the best edition of the newspaper all year was the Sunday after the first week of deer season. They would print all the stories of the hunters that had accidents that week. Most included falling asleep in a tree stand and freezing to death (usually with empty whiskey bottles nearby) or accidentally shooting other members of their party.

Most of the non-hunting population of Wisconsin knows to stay indoors during hunting season.

The fact that there was no deer to be found - only a mortally wounded hiker found dying where the deer was supposedly at, and ESPECIALLY because the buddies were crying that she was wearing white, certainly makes me believe they were recklessly shooting at anything that moved. This was no stray bullet that hit her - they saw movement through some trees with a little bit of white and immediately unloaded on it.

The prosecutor was correct in going after the guy; unfortunately it's just too hard to prove in court what they guy was thinking or doing when he shot the lady dead.

OlafTheBent: I believe that the problem is that hunting season needs more media coverage so that people will be more aware that there are hunters in the woods and if you want to take a nature walk during hunting season, wear some hunters orange.

I don't hunt so I have no idea when hunting season is. If I did, I'd bloody well make sure I was wearing the appropriate orange clothing.

... and increase fines for hunting while intoxicated exponentially


I hunt and I say THIS
Aidan:

Although I'm curious as to the 46 m shot for the buck. That's a fark of a long shot to take. We had a friend bow-hunting on our land, and his shots were maybe 4 m at the most. I know guns have a much longer range, but 46 m does seem a little careless.

4 M with a bow? at that distance you might as well pull your knife, jump on the deer and call yourself Rambo

I have taken deer at 20+ meters with a bow. And 46 meters is nothing with a gun.

At 46 meters he should have been able to clearly identify his target. If not, he should have not shot. I hope the truth was that there was a ricochet.

/ and what the hell do they have hikers in a hunting area for? You dont have both in the same area at the same time! Good way to get shot!
// oh wait.....

OlafTheBent: Sun God: That's what they have in Canada. Pellet guns. It's a massive potential for masscres.

There are more guns per person in Canada than in the US.

/... just sayin'

No there isn't.

The US has more guns per capita of any country in the world. I say that as a proud owner of something like 15 firearms.

...and the the folks whining about the "pellet" it was buckshot. The article messed up calling it a rifle.

VegasVinnie: The fact that there was no deer to be found - only a mortally wounded hiker found dying where the deer was supposedly at, and ESPECIALLY because the buddies were crying that she was wearing white, certainly makes me believe they were recklessly shooting at anything that moved. This was no stray bullet that hit her - they saw movement through some trees with a little bit of white and immediately unloaded on it.

The prosecutor was correct in going after the guy; unfortunately it's just too hard to prove in court what they guy was thinking or doing when he shot the lady dead.

You know, its entirely possible that he missed the deer he was shooting at. A deer isn't going to hang around to verify the dudes story.

matt2891: she was on a recreational trail. And apparently he didn't even shoot directly at her. WHy in god's name have a trail so close to a hunting area.

I am not familar with the area, but where I hunt in the Western US, hunting is not excluded from anywhere other than within city limits, state, city or county roads, private property and other specifically named items (wildlife refuges and such). Recreational trails on public land is what provides access into the hunting areas, and therby will have a good number of hunters on it. During hunting season, you will almost never find anyone on the trails without a gun.

/If you do, it is likely a game warden