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LEAVE SARAH ALONE!!

Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

rjShadow: Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

yep.

rjShadow: Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

Reminds me of what a friend of mine said about Madonna. She hated guys who found her hot because they were "falling for it".

The truth of who Sarah Palin is is worse than any attack I can make against her. If you're too blind to see the truth, that is your fault.

vygramul: rjShadow: Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

Reminds me of what a friend of mine said about Madonna. She hated guys who found her hot because they were "falling for it".

Falling for what?

tfa: but Palin will have to work to articulate her positions, show more intellectual curiosity and fuse her magnetism with more substantive thinking.

She has shown again and again that she simply isn't capable of substantive thinking on major policy issues. She's had numerous opportunities to display "intellectual curiosity" and thoughtful positions on complex issues and has failed to do so every single time. There's nothing there. She's a vapid talking point machine appealing to the glorification of the average that's so idiotic and so endemic on the right wing.

If only we could see a chart comparing

I dislike Palin quite a bit, but the article makes some good points about unequal scrutiny.

patrick767
If only we could see a chart comparing

If only I could finish my sentences.
A chart comparing Palin supporters to the general populace on IQ or education level would be interesting.

rjShadow: Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

So basically this has little to do with political ideology and you're simply full of hate. At least you admit it.

rjShadow: Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

At least one of you admits who really has the hate.

/not a Palin fan

ne2d: So basically this has little to do with political ideology and you're simply full of hate. At least you admit it.

It has little to do with political ideology because there is no ideology involved. She stands for absolutely nothing but personal gain and by her ambition she unwittingly brings out the worst in this country: Blind loyalty to a pretty face, a refusal to challenge our own assumptions, and a disdain for hard work and education.

She succeeds NOT because of some personal triumphs or above-average abilities, but because her success is inspirational to people who don't want to put any effort into success.

Her supporters don't say "Her hard work and mastery of the issues is inspiring", they say "If she wins, we all win, because it validates our own stupidity".

I Said: It has little to do with political ideology because there is no ideology involved. She stands for absolutely nothing but personal gain and by her ambition she unwittingly brings out the worst in this country: Blind loyalty to a pretty face, a refusal to challenge our own assumptions, and a disdain for hard work and education.

She succeeds NOT because of some personal triumphs or above-average abilities, but because her success is inspirational to people who don't want to put any effort into success.

Her supporters don't say "Her hard work and mastery of the issues is inspiring", they say "If she wins, we all win, because it validates our own stupidity".

I need to paint my house - where'd you get your brush? I could paint the whole thing in one stroke with it, save me tons of time.

radiumsoup: I need to paint my house - where'd you get your brush? I could paint the whole thing in one stroke with it, save me tons of time.

I happen to think groupthink is a large part of her support. She isn't being propelled by a wildly diverse group of people here. It's predominantly white, uneducated, Christian conservatives located in middle America (Alaska not withstanding).

I'm willing to learn something new here, so if you have evidence of broad support among the educated, ethnic minorities, various religions, or the coasts I'm happy to listen.

radiumsoup: I Said: It has little to do with political ideology because there is no ideology involved. She stands for absolutely nothing but personal gain and by her ambition she unwittingly brings out the worst in this country: Blind loyalty to a pretty face, a refusal to challenge our own assumptions, and a disdain for hard work and education.

She succeeds NOT because of some personal triumphs or above-average abilities, but because her success is inspirational to people who don't want to put any effort into success.

Her supporters don't say "Her hard work and mastery of the issues is inspiring", they say "If she wins, we all win, because it validates our own stupidity".

I need to paint my house - where'd you get your brush? I could paint the whole thing in one stroke with it, save me tons of time.

Painting Sarah Palin's character with one stroke is a waste of about two thirds of a stroke.

Just FIND A NEW PERSON TO RALLY BEHIND.

It's not that hard. There's a lot of people in this country. Find someone that isn't Sarah Palin.ohdoublereally: At least one of you admits who really has the hate.

Did you go to any McCain / Palin rallies last year?

Complicit: I dislike Palin quite a bit, but the article makes some good points about unequal scrutiny.

I'd agree with that. All of our political figures could do with as much scrutiny.

Lando Lincoln: Just FIND A NEW PERSON TO RALLY BEHIND.

I hear Michele Bachmann is available.

"Limited government type" apparently doesn't mean what it sounds like.

sweetmelissa31: "Limited government type" apparently doesn't mean what it sounds like.

Limited government, in their skulls, means "limited to doing whatever the religious right wants it to".

Lando Lincoln: Just FIND A NEW PERSON TO RALLY BEHIND.

It's not that hard. There's a lot of people in this country. Find someone that isn't Sarah Palin.ohdoublereally: At least one of you admits who really has the hate.

Did you go to any McCain / Palin rallies last year?

Hell nO!

patrick767: patrick767
If only we could see a chart comparing

If only I could finish my sentences.
A chart comparing Palin supporters to the general populace on IQ or education level would be interesting.

I filled in the blank with "comparing her to George W. Bush." Who, btw, compared to Palin is a near-genius.

Jesus. How much longer? How long are we going to hear about and discuss this vapid attention whore?

I wish I had an ignore button for both her and Carrie Prejaaaannnaann or whatever her name is.

/and before anyone says "ignore it... you're posting in a Palin thread"... it is unavoidable. On my drive in, CNN mentioned her in 3 different stories / interviews. Every third Fark thread is about her... Enough!

I Said:
I'm willing to learn something new here, so if you have evidence of broad support among the educated, ethnic minorities, various religions, or the coasts I'm happy to listen.

Wait, so which point are you standing by now - that her supporters are all self serving and unable to form their own thought without a charismatic speaker to follow, or that her supporters are primarily made of a specific demographic?

You can't defend the first by stating the second without sounding even more like a bigot.

But, I'll bite anyway - Oprah's demographics^ are older, educated women, with a larger share of minorities than the general population... Palin's appearance on her TV show a few days back gave her the largest audience in 2 years^. Seems counterintuitive if her supporters (the people who actually want to see her in an interview, since her detractors have largely boycotted her) were only non-Oprah types like you suggest.

People who seek power are usually not to be trusted with it.

radiumsoup: Wait, so which point are you standing by now - that her supporters are all self serving and unable to form their own thought without a charismatic speaker to follow, or that her supporters are primarily made of a specific demographic?

Not mutually exclusive. Her supporters, the demographic I mentioned, are unable to form their own thought without a charismatic speaker. These are the target market for televangelists.

You can't defend the first by stating the second without sounding even more like a bigot.

Nothing bigoted about this. It's a small group, of largely bigots anyway (I've been to Tea Party protests, I've seen the nuts who wear the Palin T-shirts, they are largely bigots who, as one protester said "don't support the muslim moon god")

But, I'll bite anyway - Oprah's demographics^ are older, educated women, with a larger share of minorities than the general population... Palin's appearance on her TV show a few days back gave her the largest audience in 2 years^. Seems counterintuitive if her supporters (the people who actually want to see her in an interview, since her detractors have largely boycotted her) were only non-Oprah types like you suggest.

Ratings going up has zero to do with people supporting or liking Palin. Look at how many commenters there are in all of the countless Palin threads around here. By your logic that would mean Farks users are predominantly Palin supporters.

ohdoublereally: Hell nO!

If you had, then you would have seen a lot of hate coming from her side.

We hate Sarah Palin and her supporters. They hate us.

Step 1: "Force" morans to root for Palin by attacking her.
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit.



The plans are proceeding on schedule. Excellent.

madmann: Step 1: "Force" morans to root for Palin by attacking her.
Step 2: morans become so vocal they marginalize moderate and thoughtful republicans
Step 3: Profit.



The plans are proceeding on schedule. Excellent.

DEN-VER! DEN-VER! DEN-VER! DEN-VER!

Too obscure by now?

radiumsoup: But, I'll bite anyway - Oprah's demographics^ are older, educated women, with a larger share of minorities than the general population... Palin's appearance on her TV show a few days back gave her the largest audience in 2 years^. Seems counterintuitive if her supporters (the people who actually want to see her in an interview, since her detractors have largely boycotted her) were only non-Oprah types like you suggest.

Dude, everyone watched that interview, weather they support her or not, because we're curious. The damn thing was built up for weeks.

Any hope anybody ever had for her to be taken as a serious contender for higher office was completely trashed when she winked at the camera like a cheap bar slut looking for a pickup...

I Said:
You'd make a really good politician - by not answering the points at hand but throwing up a bunch of statements designed to try and elicit an emotional response that you could then turn around and say "see, I can't argue with these people, they're not willing to have a rational conversation!"

And I seriously mean that without any snark whatsoever - it's a gift to be able to do that, and not too many people see thought it. I'm seriously impressed. I might have to come up with a new highlight color just for you :)

Ratings going up has zero to do with people supporting or liking Palin. Look at how many commenters there are in all of the countless Palin threads around here. By your logic that would mean Farks users are predominantly Palin supporters.

Seriously. Even putting words in my mouth and drawing unparallel comparisons. The ability to argue with so many fallacies disguised so well is quite uncommon. It's a keen talent.

It's obvious you know the rebuttal to your statement would be futile, as they're incongruous with the arguments I made to begin with, and I'd therefore be trying to defend myself against statements made outside the context of the topic I first presented. Seriously, well played indeed.

I Said: sweetmelissa31: "Limited government type" apparently doesn't mean what it sounds like.

Limited government, in their skulls, means "limited to doing whatever the religious right AND BIG CORPORATIONS wants it to".

FTFY

radiumsoup: And I seriously mean that without any snark whatsoever - it's a gift to be able to do that, and not too many people see thought it. I'm seriously impressed. I might have to come up with a new highlight color just for you :)

I have no idea what you're talking about

Seriously. Even putting words in my mouth and drawing unparallel comparisons. The ability to argue with so many fallacies disguised so well is quite uncommon. It's a keen talent.

I'll walk you through this, as you seem to be lost:

Me: I'm willing to learn something new here, so if you have evidence of broad support among the educated, ethnic minorities, various religions, or the coasts I'm happy to listen.

-here I'm stating "please show me evidence that people other than those support her"

You: But, I'll bite anyway - Oprah's demographics^ are older, educated women, with a larger share of minorities than the general population... Palin's appearance on her TV show a few days back gave her the largest audience in 2 years^. Seems counterintuitive if her supporters (the people who actually want to see her in an interview, since her detractors have largely boycotted her) were only non-Oprah types like you suggest.


- here you're stating "The people who watch Oprah are different than the group you mentioned, and they turned out in droves to watch her. Furthermore those watching are Palin supporters, as her detractors are boycotting her"

Me: "Ratings going up has zero to do with people supporting or liking Palin. Look at how many commenters there are in all of the countless Palin threads around here. By your logic that would mean Farks users are predominantly Palin supporters."

- here I'm stating "The people watching her include detractors. Being interested in someone has little to do with supporting them"

You: Seriously. Even putting words in my mouth and drawing unparallel comparisons. The ability to argue with so many fallacies disguised so well is quite uncommon. It's a keen talent.

- here you are saying "You're putting words into my mouth. I never said her ratings going up is a sign of broad support for her from groups other than the ones you mentioned"

/Come on, I'm trying to be civil, but you aren't making it easy.
//everyone else: sorry for the wall of text

Hender: vygramul: rjShadow: Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

Reminds me of what a friend of mine said about Madonna. She hated guys who found her hot because they were "falling for it".

Falling for what?

Believing that she will somehow "fix" the country; as if it's fundamentally broken. Falling for her looks before using your brain to realize she is completely poison.

And this is reinforced constantly by both sides. The left doesn't have vocab to describe the kind of clusterfark that is Sarah Palin. They call her "a problem". The conservative right high-fives saying "we caused a problem for the libs!" yet fail to realize that "a problem" is not just a problem on the left, it is a problem for every person who lives on the planet.

Palin would be a policy nightmare for every common citizen. Because she does whatever her holders tell her, how long would it be before she signed a bill that allowed the RIAA to sue whoever they wanted to for whatever reason? How about more banking deregulation? How about military strategy in Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan?

This woman is "a problem" because she doesn't apply any critical thinking skills. She has no motivation to help anybody but herself. She already has zapped countless hours of journalists time that could have been spent covering important issues. We get a day-in-day-out recollection of something she mindlessly blabbed about decrying socialism and death panels and boogeymen. And instead of trying to solve our big problems with the economy, the environment, energy, and education we watch her like the keyboard cat she is.

It's disgusting.

radiumsoup: Wait, so which point are you standing by now - that her supporters are all self serving and unable to form their own thought without a charismatic speaker to follow, or that her supporters are primarily made of a specific demographic?

Those groups are not mutually exclusive by any means, so I don't see your point.

You can't defend the first by stating the second without sounding even more like a bigot.
He stated the 'demographic' is uneducated. Saying they are "unable to form their own thought" is just tautology. Any other demographic specifiers has to do with what thoughts are being supported.


But, I'll bite anyway - Oprah's demographics^ are older, educated women, with a larger share of minorities than the general population... Palin's appearance on her TV show a few days back gave her the largest audience in 2 years^. Seems counterintuitive if her supporters (the people who actually want to see her in an interview, since her detractors have largely boycotted her) were only non-Oprah types like you suggest.

So you are pretty ignorant of the "Howard Stern Effect" then.

FTFA: And how could a major magazine like Newsweek be expected to use a cover photo of Palin campaigning

She's not currently campaigning, she's boosting her bank account.

or spending time with her Down syndrome child

Does she have the 'tard in tow during her tour? Or is he drooling up in Alaska? (Seriously, I don't know.)

Now with <i> parity....

Wait, so which point are you standing by now - that her supporters are all self serving and unable to form their own thought without a charismatic speaker to follow, or that her supporters are primarily made of a specific demographic?

Those groups are not mutually exclusive by any means, so I don't see your point.

You can't defend the first by stating the second without sounding even more like a bigot.

He stated the 'demographic' is uneducated. Saying they are "unable to form their own thought" is just tautology. Any other demographic specifiers has to do with what thoughts are being supported.


But, I'll bite anyway - Oprah's demographics^ are older, educated women, with a larger share of minorities than the general population... Palin's appearance on her TV show a few days back gave her the largest audience in 2 years^. Seems counterintuitive if her supporters (the people who actually want to see her in an interview, since her detractors have largely boycotted her) were only non-Oprah types like you suggest.

So you are pretty ignorant of the "Howard Stern Effect" then.

At times I think, she's stupid. Then I see how angry she makes the left, and I think, that's reason enough to put her in the White House. Then I think, she's a terrible choice. Then I think, it can't possibly get any worse than where we are at. And, the bonus side is watching heads asplode starting with Nancy Pelosi.

She's just your average four time college drop-out who stumbled through TV journalism, stumbled through a governorship before resigning for no apparent reason whatsoever, stumbles through softball interviews, has zero intellectual curiosity, is unsure of what a newspaper is, but nonetheless can still smell political opportunity when it's waved under her nose.

Got a nose like a moose, that one.

I_C_Weener: Then I think, it can't possibly get any worse than where we are at.

Actually, it can get a lot worse.

ohdoublereally: rjShadow: Jon Stewart nailed it last night. We hate her because she is the lowest common denominator talking point machine. We hate her because it reveals human ignorance in choosing beauty over substance.

And we hate you because you fall for it.

At least one of you admits who really has the hate.

/not a Palin fan

Yes, I dislike Sarah Palin greatly.

I dislike her because she exists only to reassure idiotic Americans that their fear of complexity, their need to hate that which is different and their desire to have the world sorted into the black and white simplicity provided by labels such as good and evil are valid.

She is a simpleton used to assuage the fears of other simpletons. She reinforces the belief that ignorance and a sluggish intellect are not only acceptable, but desirable as long as you heart Jesus and vote Republican.

She's also a liar. Fark that biatch.

I_C_Weener: At times I think, she's stupid. Then I see how angry she makes the left, and I think, that's reason enough to put her in the White House. Then I think, she's a terrible choice. Then I think, it can't possibly get any worse than where we are at. And, the bonus side is watching heads asplode starting with Nancy Pelosi.

So basically you're admitting that you are just as stupid, petty and vindictive as Sarah Palin, got it.

brainiac-dumdum: She's also a liar. Fark that biatch.

I really don't mind that she's a liar, to be fair. All politicians are. But she seems to lie ALL THE FREAKING TIME and when she's caught lying, it's always someone else's fault. Nothing is EVER her fault!

People that cannot admit fault do not grow as people. And that type of person is not the type of person I want in office.

I_C_Weener: At times I think, she's stupid. Then I see how angry she makes the left, and I think, that's reason enough to put her in the White House. Then I think, she's a terrible choice. Then I think, it can't possibly get any worse than where we are at. And, the bonus side is watching heads asplode starting with Nancy Pelosi.

You go ahead and vote for the creationist beauty queen. It'll really piss me off when she loses with 35% of the vote. Truly.

I'm a staunch republican, and I can tell you that I would never vote for Palin. Never. She got 15 minutes of fame and since then has refused to go away. She's an attention whore with neither the credentials nor the brains to be a commander-in-chief.

/Not that Obama does. Just saying...
//I would hit it, however. Just wouldn't vote for it.

Lando Lincoln: brainiac-dumdum: She's also a liar. Fark that biatch.

I really don't mind that she's a liar, to be fair. All politicians are. But she seems to lie ALL THE FREAKING TIME and when she's caught lying, it's always someone else's fault. Nothing is EVER her fault!

People that cannot admit fault do not grow as people. And that type of person is not the type of person I want in office.

True. Her lies are both prolific and often seem unnecessary. I couldn't imagine how horrible it must be to be married to her, or even worse, have her be your mother.

I dont hate Palin, I just refuse to take her seriously as a qualified leader of any government, even one of municipal size.

Complicit: I dislike Palin quite a bit, but the article makes some good points about unequal scrutiny.

Look, you can't keep throwing yourself into the limelight, demanding attention for how awesome you are, then turn around and cry about being scrutinized for all the attention you're bringing to yourself.

If Nancy Pelosi wrote a scathing book full of revenge, arranged a book tour based on grassroots support instead of money-making cities, went on Oprah and arranged an interview with Barbara Walters, you could bet your ass she'd be just as scrutinized.