Y'know what I want? I want the CBO to give me something with one number over here, call it "Senate Healthcare Plan", and another number over there, called "Alternative Cost". That one should be the total cost of treating the uninsured, the current cost of any/all Federal plans which will be subsumed under this plan, and a good faith estimate of how much the US forfeits in lost productivity due to lack of healthcare. Then we can compare apples to apples, motherfarkers. Until then, STFU and GBTW.

How does it cost that much to cover 100 people for ten years?

Senators must have the best insurance in the world!

Rhode Island as a comparison point always helps.

If we distributed the $849 billion to every resident of Rhode Island, they'd each get $807,965.07

Next up: if the Moon landed gently on the USA, the west edge of the Moon would be over Las Vegas and the east edge of the Moon would be over Philadelphia.

large government programs often cost large amounts of money.

DarthBrooks: Next up: if the Moon landed gently on the USA, the west edge of the Moon would be over Las Vegas and the east edge of the Moon would be over Philadelphia.

Now THOSE are stats worth talking about.

dahmers love zombie: Then we can compare apples to apples, motherfarkers. Until then, STFU and GBTW.

The US government accounts for, roughly, half of the $2.25t or so in healthcare costs in the United States.

So, without a health care bill, we'll be spending more than 10 times that amount throwing money in a hole while not even attempting to fix the problem.

DarthBrooks: If we distributed the $849 billion to every resident of Rhode Island, they'd each get $807,965.07

Let's do that instead.

I only understand dollar amounts when told, if it lined up as dollar bills end to end, how many times it would circle the earth.

I will also accept dollar bills stacked, then the stack's height compared to a skyscraper, trip to the moon, etc.

You could compare it to the other bills the CBO has scored. I know, crazy thought.

If that money were converted to nickels, and each one were stacked upon each other, the stack would be 20,635,417 miles. That's more than round trips to the moon!

DarthBrooks: Rhode Island as a comparison point always helps.

If we distributed the $849 billion to every resident of Rhode Island, they'd each get $807,965.07

Better comparison than Rhode Island would be to compare it to the US as a whole.

$200 per capita per year

31 million additional Americans covered for a total of 94%

A reduction of the federal defecit by a total of $127 Billion dollars.

Shostie: If that money were converted to nickels, and each one were stacked upon each other, the stack would be 20,635,417 miles. That's more than ^43 round trips to the moon!

ftfm. Somehow the value got dropped.

Shostie: If that money were converted to nickels, and each one were stacked upon each other, the stack would be 20,635,417 miles. That's more than round trips to the moon!

Boy, I'm so glad that I was sponsored for a month of TF.

I see we're sticking to the ZOMG SO MANY PAGES (new window) meme as well.

sweetmelissa31: DarthBrooks: If we distributed the $849 billion to every resident of Rhode Island, they'd each get $807,965.07

Let's do that instead.

I'd say move it to Vermont and adjust the numbers. Vermont has syrup.

Shostie: If that money were converted to nickels, and each one were stacked upon each other, the stack would be 20,635,417 miles. That's more than round trips to the moon!

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

If subby's stupidity were converted to methane, it would be enough to run Bartertown for 30 years.

Energy is currency. If Americans got 90% off oil, would barrels still be priced in dollars?

It's totally obvious that the govt wastes money. I'm sure it'll be even more than this figure in the long run.

If the savings from the Senate's bill were laid out end to end, it would circle the globe three times.

So the Blue Dog Democrats think that they are going to hold on to their jobs in the Senate given that they're in less than staunchly Democratic states by passing a really bad healthcare bill? Giving your opponents ammunition to use against you is somehow a good strategy?

Triple it to give you an idea of what it will cost. Probably much more then that.

Finally!

The public has something concrete to look at rather than some Utopian abstract idea.

If this isn't the death knell for Obamacare, the merged monstrosity will be.

Just look at the reaction to the scientifically proven notion that mammograms aren't probably necessary for women under 50.

Dont even get me started on the Medicare cuts.

Nice bed libs. Now you'll have to lie in it.

If you were to take that amount and convert it into one dollar bills and lay them out end to end, it would take a marathon runner (assuming a 4 hour completion time) 523,369 days, 9 hours, and 20 minutes to run it end to end, or a little less than 1,433 years.

What does the Center to Provide Little Numbers With Lots of Meaningless Alternatives say?

Hick: Triple it to give you an idea of what it will cost. Probably much more then that.

Can we triple the deficit impact, too. Shaving $400 Billion off the deficit sounds good to me.

Didn't they price out the do-nothing GOP plan and find that it saves less money than this?

The Senate bill, which includes a government-run insurance plan that would allow states to opt out, would extend health care coverage to more than 94 percent of the population, or 31 million additional Americans. It also would cut the federal deficit by $127 billion over the first 10 years and as much as $650 billion over the next 10 years, according to the analysis by the nonpartisan CBO.

Not bad at all for $85B a year. You know what would be a good comparison? Put this up against Medicare spending. Get a total number of people on Medicare and yearly spending numbers and compare them to this. I don't see any Repub campaigning to cut Medicare, so if they are similar, there is no reason to stand against a Public Option.

We need to seize the money and re-distribute it for the health care.

Hiro Nakamura: If you were to take that amount and convert it into one dollar bills and lay them out end to end, it would take a marathon runner (assuming a 4 hour completion time) 523,369 days, 9 hours, and 20 minutes to run it end to end, or a little less than 1,433 years.

Whoopty-shiat. That doesn't mean a goddamn thing. You know what's a good comparison to $849B? Our yearly military budget. This is being spent over 10 years.

amazing_live_seamonkeys: Finally!

The public has something concrete to look at rather than some Utopian abstract idea.

Yes! Finally, after 11 months and numerous drafts from multiple committees in both the House and the Senate as well as an actual bill from the House, finally we have something to look at! WOOOO!

I hear the street value is ten quadrillion dollars.

Best part is that's 7 years of coverage but 10 years of taxes.

Health care will be less than a tenth of the defense budget, per year. (And that, of course, doesn't count the $900 billion or so we've already spent on Iraq and Afghanistan.)

Here's a simple number by which to compare (from Wikipedia):

For the 2009 fiscal year, the base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $518.3 billion. Adding emergency discretionary spending, supplemental spending, and stimulus spending brings the sum to $651.2 billion.[1][2] Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $274 billion and $493 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $925 billion and $1.14 trillion in 2009.

MyRandomName: Best part is that's 7 years of coverage but 10 years of taxes.

...so?

FormlessOne: Health care will be less than a tenth of the defense budget, per year.

Get rid of defense! We wont need health care.

Problem solved.

If you were to stack $849 billion in piles of ten singles, then put googly eyes on them, you would be able to make 84,900,000,000 Geico commercials.

Mentat: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Finally!

The public has something concrete to look at rather than some Utopian abstract idea.

Yes! Finally, after 11 months and numerous drafts from multiple committees in both the House and the Senate as well as an actual bill from the House, finally we have something to look at! WOOOO!

Just keep this in mind - a decade of health care for everybody is still cheaper than the money we've spent, on top of our defense budget, for eight years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

DamnYankees: MyRandomName: Best part is that's 7 years of coverage but 10 years of taxes.

...so?

So, this is an entitlement. In order to balance the first 7 years they had to tax for 10. Now extrapolate that into the years 11-20... the budget won't balance. That is unless you believe this program won't be continued after 10 years.

So that's like what, $3000 per year for each American?

GAT_00: Hiro Nakamura: If you were to take that amount and convert it into one dollar bills and lay them out end to end, it would take a marathon runner (assuming a 4 hour completion time) 523,369 days, 9 hours, and 20 minutes to run it end to end, or a little less than 1,433 years.

Whoopty-shiat. That doesn't mean a goddamn thing. You know what's a good comparison to $849B? Our yearly military budget. This is being spent over 10 years.

Dammit. I went to all that trouble to craft a meaningless comparison, ensure that it was somewhat accurate, and you went and treated it like a serious comment. What the hell, man?

/I guess I needed to garbl it up more.

TheJoeY: So that's like what, $3000 per year for each American?

That would pay my COBRA for nine months, she said sarcastically.

MyRandomName: DamnYankees: MyRandomName: Best part is that's 7 years of coverage but 10 years of taxes.

...so?

So, this is an entitlement. In order to balance the first 7 years they had to tax for 10. Now extrapolate that into the years 11-20... the budget won't balance. That is unless you believe this program won't be continued after 10 years.

I'm gonna need to go back a step before I answer that...

Hiro Nakamura: /I guess I needed to garbl it up more less since I wasn't trying to troll and landed a bite anyway.

DamnYankees: MyRandomName: DamnYankees: MyRandomName: Best part is that's 7 years of coverage but 10 years of taxes.

...so?

So, this is an entitlement. In order to balance the first 7 years they had to tax for 10. Now extrapolate that into the years 11-20... the budget won't balance. That is unless you believe this program won't be continued after 10 years.

I'm gonna need to go back a step before I answer that...

You could just google for when the different phases of the plan go into effect. This isn't obscure knowledge.

MyRandomName: You could just google for when the different phases of the plan go into effect. This isn't obscure knowledge.

You could site me your number. Nothing I've read has said what you've said; most shows that the far more money in the second decade than the first.

So I really don't know what you're talking about. Please cite it.

DamnYankees: MyRandomName: You could just google for when the different phases of the plan go into effect. This isn't obscure knowledge.

You could site me your number. Nothing I've read has said what you've said; most shows that the far more money in the second decade than the first.

So I really don't know what you're talking about. Please cite it.

You'll more than likely attack the source, but I don't feel like being your research monkey. This uses CBO estimates.

http://blog.getliberty.org/default.asp?Display=1763

Gyrfalcon: TheJoeY: So that's like what, $3000 per year for each American?

That would pay my COBRA for nine months, she said sarcastically.

That covered my COBRA for three.

Still cheaper than the Iraq War.

DarthBrooks: Rhode Island as a comparison point always helps.

If we distributed the $849 billion to every resident of Rhode Island, they'd each get $807,965.07

Next up: if the Moon landed gently on the USA, the west edge of the Moon would be over Las Vegas and the east edge of the Moon would be over Philadelphia.

then there really would be a moon over my hammy

/Vegas resident