These "detainees" don't celebrate Christmas...they're Moslems.

bearsfolks: These "detainees" don't celebrate Christmas...they're Moslems.

Thanks for pointing that out. Boy, I bet subby feels silly now.

Wasn't he supposed to close it down awhile ago? Geez politicians are retarded.

loserkid182lr: Wasn't he supposed to close it down awhile ago? Geez politicians are retarded.

He pledged to close it by January 21, 2010. Turns out there were a lot more people there than we thought who are in a legal quagmire, where we know they're terrorists and can't really justify releasing them into Afghanistan, but don't have evidence to charge them with anything. I mean, if we're going to follow the rule of law, we should be releasing anyone we can't charge, but there'd be some pretty massive political fallout from releasing 75 known terrorists. So I have no idea what the right call is.

Racht: where we know they're terrorists and can't really justify releasing them into Afghanistan, but don't have evidence to charge them with anything.

If we don't have enough evidence to charge them... THEN HOW DO WE KNOW?

loserkid182lr: Wasn't he supposed to close it down awhile ago? Geez politicians are retarded.

He actually tried to expand the US government's ability to hold people without charging them. He seems pretty pro-gitmo.

Well when the federal prisons people came out here to check out a prison the pants wetting by the local GOP officials was hilarious.

Did ANYBODY REALLY think Gitmo was going to close? Excluding the libtards that actually believed him?

bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha!

What do you gain by trolling about the hilarity of the US government indefinitely detaining people at an offshore military base that is the laughingstock of international justice for the supposed world leader in liberty and freedom?

I don't really see this as a laughing matter.

hah, those stupid libs thought the US government would try and fix something that is horribly wrong and completely opposite the values that this country stands for!

stupid libs

bulldg4life: What do you gain by trolling about the hilarity of the US government indefinitely detaining people at an offshore military base that is the laughingstock of international justice for the supposed world leader in liberty and freedom?

I don't really see this as a laughing matter.

Because fark America, power for Republicans is what's important, you liberal hippie crybaby socialist.

So, every member from the League of Fail^TM going to run in here screaming 'We told you so!' as if they gained a victory?

manimal2878: If we don't have enough evidence to charge them... THEN HOW DO WE KNOW?

Hunting witches is tricky business.

manimal2878: Racht: where we know they're terrorists and can't really justify releasing them into Afghanistan, but don't have evidence to charge them with anything.

If we don't have enough evidence to charge them... THEN HOW DO WE KNOW?

I thought Muslim = terrorist even if proven otherwise. Right? If they're in Gitmo, it must be because they're guilty of doing something horrible.

Kind of like if you're in prison, it's cause you're some kind of filthy child-molesting, murdering, drug-dealing scum.

bulldg4life: What do you gain by trolling about the hilarity of the US government indefinitely detaining people at an offshore military base that is the laughingstock of international justice for the supposed world leader in liberty and freedom?

I don't really see this as a laughing matter.

Don't even bother with that guy. He's like an epileptic with Tourette's and mother issues.

I heard there is no Christmas in the silly Middle East
No trees, no snow, no Santa Claus
They have different religious beliefs

They believe in Muhammad and not in our holiday
And so every December, I go to the Middle East and say

"Hey there Mr. Muslim
Merry farking Christmas
Put down that book the Koran
And hear some holiday wishes

In case you haven't noticed
It's Jesus's birthday
So get off your heathen Muslim ass
And farking celebrate

bulldg4life: What do you gain by trolling about the hilarity of the US government indefinitely detaining people at an offshore military base that is the laughingstock of international justice for the supposed world leader in liberty and freedom?

I don't really see this as a laughing matter.

Agreed, and it's definitely not as funny as your Bulldogs' pathetic attempt at a season thus far.

so will Obama get ANYTHING accomplished in his 1st year?

besides bowing down before every other world leader, I mean.

spookidooki: manimal2878: If we don't have enough evidence to charge them... THEN HOW DO WE KNOW?

Hunting witches is tricky business.

Can you swim a terrorist the same way you can swim a witch? I hear that's proof positive.

thamike: bulldg4life: What do you gain by trolling about the hilarity of the US government indefinitely detaining people at an offshore military base that is the laughingstock of international justice for the supposed world leader in liberty and freedom?

I don't really see this as a laughing matter.

Don't even bother with that guy. He's like an epileptic with Tourette's and mother issues.

Damn, you just described 75% of the Libs in the country.

bearsfolks: These "detainees" don't celebrate Christmas...they're Moslems.

TheMadChaosopher: so will Obama get ANYTHING accomplished in his 1st year?

besides bowing down before every other world leader, I mean.

Does spending a lot of money count?

TheMadChaosopher: so will Obama get ANYTHING accomplished in his 1st year?

besides bowing down before every other world leader, I mean.

So you'd agree that Obama hasn't done any harm this year.

odinsposse: TheMadChaosopher: so will Obama get ANYTHING accomplished in his 1st year?

besides bowing down before every other world leader, I mean.

So you'd agree that Obama hasn't done any harm this year.

Ummm, SPENT A LOT OF FARKING MONEY -- FOR NOTHING I MIGHT ADD...

Ball Sack Obama: bulldg4life: What do you gain by trolling about the hilarity of the US government indefinitely detaining people at an offshore military base that is the laughingstock of international justice for the supposed world leader in liberty and freedom?

I don't really see this as a laughing matter.

Agreed, and it's definitely not as funny as your Bulldogs' pathetic attempt at a season thus far.

Damn, that was below the belt, but then again they did make Jonathan Crompton look like Drew Brees a month ago.

manimal2878: Racht: where we know they're terrorists and can't really justify releasing them into Afghanistan, but don't have evidence to charge them with anything.

If we don't have enough evidence to charge them... THEN HOW DO WE KNOW?

From what I remember when Guantanamo was first making headlines after Obama took over the big issue was that there was simply no or very little data on many of the detainees. No files concerning their incarceration, no judicial motions/actions, no paper trails for many of the detainees; I remember reading that and knowing that whatever timeline he had hoped for walking in was screwed.

Ball Sack Obama: Agreed, and it's definitely not as funny as your Bulldogs' pathetic attempt at a season thus far.

Man, the attacks on bulldogs every time you post in a thread responding to me is almost funny.

Almost.

wet_dream: Ummm, SPENT A LOT OF FARKING MONEY -- FOR NOTHING I MIGHT ADD...

You're right.

Now if there had been imminent global financial collapse or something, I might understand all of this government spending.

ha ha ha ha

I hope they rot in Club Med

suck it up libs, you can't do anything right

ProdigalSigh: on many of the detainees. No files concerning their incarceration, no judicial motions/actions, no paper trails for many of the detainees; I remember reading that and knowing that whatever timeline he had hoped for walking in was

So wouldn't it have been better to develope a plan and then assign a time line to the plan, rather then just establsh a time line with no plan?

Racht: loserkid182lr: Wasn't he supposed to close it down awhile ago? Geez politicians are retarded.

He pledged to close it by January 21, 2010. Turns out there were a lot more people there than we thought who are in a legal quagmire, where we know they're terrorists and can't really justify releasing them into Afghanistan, but don't have evidence to charge them with anything. I mean, if we're going to follow the rule of law, we should be releasing anyone we can't charge, but there'd be some pretty massive political fallout from releasing 75 known terrorists. So I have no idea what the right call is.

If we don't have any evidence, then how do we know they're " known terrorists"? And in such a case wouldn't the right call be letting them go free?

Was the "FAIL" tag on vacation?

farking goddamn cowardly spineless NIMBY bastards!

NeverDrunk23: So, every member from the League of FailTM going to run in here screaming 'We told you so!' as if they gained a victory?

It's like you are motherf*cking Kreskin

Racht: loserkid182lr: Wasn't he supposed to close it down awhile ago? Geez politicians are retarded.

He pledged to close it by January 21, 2010. Turns out there were a lot more people there than we thought who are in a legal quagmire, where we know they're terrorists and can't really justify releasing them into Afghanistan, but don't have evidence to charge them with anything. I mean, if we're going to follow the rule of law, we should be releasing anyone we can't charge, but there'd be some pretty massive political fallout from releasing 75 known terrorists. So I have no idea what the right call is.

Regardless of what we do after, we've got to close that place the fark down and pen them up somewhere else while we plan the next move. Yes it's complete BS, but gitmo and the crimes that were committed there (starting with its creation) are emotional lightning rods that short-circuit any useful (rational) discussion.

wet_dream: So wouldn't it have been better to develope a plan and then assign a time line to the plan, rather then just establsh a time line with no plan?

Where have I heard that before?

spookidooki: wet_dream: Ummm, SPENT A LOT OF FARKING MONEY -- FOR NOTHING I MIGHT ADD...

You're right.

Now if there had been imminent global financial collapse or something, I might understand all of this government spending.

The funny this is, well not really funny funny, but now Obama is warning us that all the debt could result in a double dip recession.

Well, Duh...

Wait is this even slightly critical of Obama? If so, FARK YOU BUSH RIGHT WINGER PANTY SNIFFERS, DIAF PESTILENCE ON COUNTRY!!!

If not, meh

thamike: wet_dream: So wouldn't it have been better to develope a plan and then assign a time line to the plan, rather then just establsh a time line with no plan?

Where have I heard that before?

It wasn't the war in Iraq. They didn't have a time line OR a plan.

wet_dream: Don't even bother with that guy. He's like an epileptic with Tourette's and mother father issues.

Damn, you just described 75% of the Libs in the country.

FTFH

Gyrfalcon: thamike: wet_dream: So wouldn't it have been better to develope a plan and then assign a time line to the plan, rather then just establsh a time line with no plan?

Where have I heard that before?

It wasn't the war in Iraq. They didn't have a time line OR a plan.

Hey, I won't argue, Bush farked up both of those wars. If I had been in charge, I would have tossed a couple of Tactical Nukes into Toro Bora when Osama was hiding there. Then dared the world to say something. Then politely asked Hussein to come clean.

FMLYHM: f we don't have any evidence, then how do we know they're " known terrorists"?

Not all information is admissible in court, even if confirmed... and even if it's been meticulously kept.

And in such a case wouldn't the right call be letting them go free?

Mmm. Where? Bear in mind that just because somebody isn't facing charges of crimes against or within the United States, that does not mean that he doesn't stand to be accused of crimes against others (or, for that matter, that there's reason to believe that he is in fact a militant interested in terrorism, but that the criminal case is hopeless because of how evidence was gathered or handled). And under present law, the US is not supposed to deport detainees to countries where they will be tortured. So that's part of the problem: the need to bribe other nations in order to accept people who have been portrayed as militant terrorists, and whose harboring may piss off governments who are still of the opinion that said detainees are in fact militant terrorists.


The other part is that many of our domestic politicians are courageously defying the administration and screaming about how these detainees apparently will be able to exercise mind-control on other prisoners and how it's obvious that moving detainees into domestic prison facilities will culminate in generally uneducated, English-deficient terrorists becoming far more successful in sneaking company-level formations into the US and staging successful assaults on prisons that have held numerous other detainees for years and years utterly without incident. Heroes, the lot of them.

Expected.

Fark you, Obama, you lying sack of sh*t.

Obama is a liar

wet_dream: Gyrfalcon: thamike: wet_dream: So wouldn't it have been better to develope a plan and then assign a time line to the plan, rather then just establsh a time line with no plan?

Where have I heard that before?

It wasn't the war in Iraq. They didn't have a time line OR a plan.

Hey, I won't argue, Bush farked up both of those wars. If I had been in charge, I would have tossed a couple of Tactical Nukes into Toro Bora when Osama was hiding there. Then dared the world to say something. Then politely asked Hussein to come clean.

Yes, but see, that is both a plan and a time line!

The funny thing about all these fark obama fellators is that if they sense the least bit of criticism toward the chosen one, they immediately resort to attacking the person with a different point of view, ad hominem, a typical liberal attack medium. And then they justify their hostility by pointing out what a doofus bush was, assuming that anybody that criticizes obama was a mouthbreathing bush fellator on the order you view your crown prince. Newsflash, just because someone criticizes obama does not mean they supported bush.

Yes I am conservative, but bush's spending policies would make most liberals blush. Only now, obama is doing what bush did on a grander scale and the fark liberals are defending him, while excoriating bush and co for doing the same thing during his administration. A bunch of bullshiat, american politics that is.

It amazes me how quick the Fark Libs jump on a thread about an unemployed mother of 5 from Alaska yet run like cockroaches from a flashlight any time you mention something retarded Obama has done/promised.

public option: The funny thing about all these fark obama fellators

Bocanegra: It amazes me how quick the Fark Libs

Do you guys have a common script to work from or is this all spur of the moment?

bulldg4life: public option: The funny thing about all these fark obama fellators

Bocanegra: It amazes me how quick the Fark Libs

Do you guys have a common script to work from or is this all spur of the moment?

Oh, it's definitely spur of the moment. However it's getting, much, much easier to criticize this administration. It's quickly turning into Carter 2.0 - this is apparent given Obama's poor approval rating (and its most steep decline ever for a president's approval rating since tracking began).

But really. Please defend this. And the rest of the president's non-accomplishments of the past year. You just continue to reinforce the fact that your ilk are just as brainwashed as those who blindly supported Bush the last 8 years.

loserkid182lr 2009-11-18 03:52:56 PM Wasn't he supposed to close it down awhile ago? Geez politicians are retarded.
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No.

A) Bush Administration didn't keep a file on, well, anyone.
B) Republicans (and some dems) are being douchebag obstructionists on the funding and the proposal.
C) Once that gets squared away, it's still gonna take a few months.

/Still glad beyond belief he's actually going it.