Knowing China, this is just an attempt to subpoena Microsoft's source code.

netweavr:

Knowing China, this is just an attempt to subpoena Microsoft's source code.

/ Welcome to 2003

FTFA: Microsoft will have to stop selling the Chinese versions of its Windows 98, 2000, 2003 and Windows XP, according to the court.

How convenient for them. I'm sure their "appeal" is to keep the Chinese government from seeing them doing cartwheels and victory dances.

Hau Ruck: How convenient for them. I'm sure their "appeal" is to keep the Chinese government from seeing them doing cartwheels and victory dances.

That's pretty much what I was thinking since Microsoft has been trying to kill off Windows XP for a while now.

Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

From my COLD DEAD HANDS!!!

I still remember the day when windows 95 came out.

elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

No.

I guess Windows ME was not worth suing over.

/or is it under 98SP3?

I think Bill Gates has lots of Chinese slaves.

The ruling is expected to affect 3 or 4 people in China who actually use genuine Microsoft software.

elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

The first was OS/2, amirite?

Depending on the wording of the contract, this might actually be a correct result. Sounds like Microsoft hired a Chinese firm to design the Chinese fonts for Windows 95, and continued to use them up to XP, even though the contract was for Windows 95 only. This sounds like something that could reasonably occur.

a Chinese company wins in a Chinese court, yeah like that was a fair trial.

I miss DOS. And path commands. And "syntax error: bad command or file name."

mavrickatubc: I miss DOS. And path commands. And "syntax error: bad command or file name."

I ms dos too.

i guess the President of Communist China Hu's visit to Billy Gates home for dinner along with 60 guests about 5 years ago did not pay off....


and the strangest thing is that President Hu visited billy BEFORE he met with President Bush.


NOW you know who has the real power in the U.S: the Wealthy.

Does that mean all those Chinese users need to turn in their pirated copies?

Geotpf: Depending on the wording of the contract, this might actually be a correct result. Sounds like Microsoft hired a Chinese firm to design the Chinese fonts for Windows 95, and continued to use them up to XP, even though the contract was for Windows 95 only. This sounds like something that could reasonably occur.

Yep. It's amazing how quickly China responded when a Chinese IP was at stake. Meanwhile, when it comes to IP that didn't originate in China, they're still #1 in total pirated copies and #17 in percentage of pirated to total copies..

82% of all software in China is stolen. I'm glad China's patting itself on the back defending its own IP from the foreign devils, but perhaps it could get off its ass and deal with the country's rampant global theft?

mavrickatubc: I miss DOS. And path commands. And "syntax error: bad command or file name."

I used to have a neighbor named Ed Linn. No one cares about an edlin joke now...

Remember the time PNY got sued by a chinese company? (new window)

But yeah, 82% piracy rate is about ten percent less than what I heard.

man, i don't know what i'd do if i found out i was using a pirated copy of Ubuntu.


whew, i've got my Ubuntu Seal of Authenticity nearby, so no worries.

FormlessOne: Geotpf: Depending on the wording of the contract, this might actually be a correct result. Sounds like Microsoft hired a Chinese firm to design the Chinese fonts for Windows 95, and continued to use them up to XP, even though the contract was for Windows 95 only. This sounds like something that could reasonably occur.

Yep. It's amazing how quickly China responded when a Chinese IP was at stake. Meanwhile, when it comes to IP that didn't originate in China, they're still #1 in total pirated copies and #17 in percentage of pirated to total copies..

82% of all software in China is stolen. I'm glad China's patting itself on the back defending its own IP from the foreign devils, but perhaps it could get off its ass and deal with the country's rampant global theft?

The run Rindows?

Hau Ruck: elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

The first was OS/2, amirite?

OS/2 for Windows. I never understood that.

elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

Nah, XP is their second best. First goes to Windows 2000 w/SP4.

Whatthefark: Nah, XP is their second best. First goes to Windows 2000 w/SP4.

Hmm. I was saying XP was #1, 98SE was #2... but I never used 2000.

DancesWithSquirrels: Hau Ruck: elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

The first was OS/2, amirite?

OS/2 for Windows. I never understood that.

That's called Windows NT. I remember when I was taking my Windows NT MCSE classes (yeah, bite me) and they got to the part about networking between operating systems. Most of the OSes out there required some sort of gateway. OS/2? Nada. There were no seams between communication in NT networking and OS/2 networking. Which made me wonder even then just how much source code Microsoft stole from IBM. My hunch is that it was a hell of a lot. Maybe 80%? I'm sure there are some bitter ex-IBM employees that could shed further light on that situation.

Linux_Yes: man, i don't know what i'd do if i found out i was using a pirated copy of Ubuntu.


whew, i've got my Ubuntu Seal of Authenticity nearby, so no worries.

Until SCO sues you ;)

stephen74: DancesWithSquirrels: Hau Ruck: elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

The first was OS/2, amirite?

OS/2 for Windows. I never understood that.

There were no seams between communication in NT networking and OS/2 networking.

OS/2 LAN Manager would like a word with you.

I would rather use Windows 98 than Vista.

mavrickatubc: I miss DOS. And path commands. And "syntax error: bad command or file name."

WHO THE HELL IS THIS "GENERAL FAILURE" GUY AND WHAT RIGHT DOES TEH ARMY HAVE TO READ MY HARD DRIVE?!?!?!

stephen74: DancesWithSquirrels: Hau Ruck: elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

The first was OS/2, amirite?

OS/2 for Windows. I never understood that.

That's called Windows NT. I remember when I was taking my Windows NT MCSE classes (yeah, bite me) and they got to the part about networking between operating systems. Most of the OSes out there required some sort of gateway. OS/2? Nada. There were no seams between communication in NT networking and OS/2 networking. Which made me wonder even then just how much source code Microsoft stole from IBM. My hunch is that it was a hell of a lot. Maybe 80%? I'm sure there are some bitter ex-IBM employees that could shed further light on that situation.

Since they were in a business partnership when OS/2 was created, it's just as possible that the networking stack of OS/2 was designed by Microsoft and then appropriated by IBM as part of the collaboration. Remember, at the time IBM was the Evil Empire of the computing world that Apple was trying to take down.

DancesWithSquirrels: Hau Ruck: elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

The first was OS/2, amirite?

OS/2 for Windows. I never understood that.

I laugh everytime the idea that China is gonna steamroll the US comes up. Not as often now as it did 5 years ago, but still you hear it. Yeah, a country with 4x the population and 1/8th the agriculture, and NO RESPECT FOR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY WHATSOEVER is going to out-innovate the US. Without innovation, all they have is cheap factory labor and lame enviro laws and they won't even compete with Japan and S. Korea.

Mad_Radhu: DancesWithSquirrels: Hau Ruck: elchip: Windows 98 is Microsoft's 2nd best operating system ever.

The first was OS/2, amirite?

OS/2 for Windows. I never understood that.

Good times, good times. I still can't bring myself to throw out my OS/2 Warp boxes of floppies and CDs. And I probably never will as a veteran of the OS wars of the early / mid 90s.

/Get off my lawn and piss off about "Linux"

Bacontastesgood: I laugh everytime the idea that China is gonna steamroll the US comes up. Not as often now as it did 5 years ago, but still you hear it. Yeah, a country with 4x the population and 1/8th the agriculture, and NO RESPECT FOR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY WHATSOEVER is going to out-innovate the US. Without innovation, all they have is cheap factory labor and lame enviro laws and they won't even compete with Japan and S. Korea.

You do realize that even major companies in Japan -- like Sharp, for instance -- have outsourced their electronics manufacturing to China?

As the standard of living improves in China (from all of the money that foreign countries are pumping into it), China's people are becoming even better educated and Chinese companies are positioning themselves to become the innovators, rather than just the imitators/laborers. Eventually, China won't look to countries like the US and Japan for ideas... THEY will be generating the ideas. You go ahead and laugh. China has the financial resources and the resolve to do it... and we're financing it.

They should settle out of court and give them Vista. That will fix 'em.

Fark Me To Tears: Bacontastesgood: I laugh everytime the idea that China is gonna steamroll the US comes up. Not as often now as it did 5 years ago, but still you hear it. Yeah, a country with 4x the population and 1/8th the agriculture, and NO RESPECT FOR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY WHATSOEVER is going to out-innovate the US. Without innovation, all they have is cheap factory labor and lame enviro laws and they won't even compete with Japan and S. Korea.

You do realize that even major companies in Japan -- like Sharp, for instance -- have outsourced their electronics manufacturing to China?

As the standard of living improves in China (from all of the money that foreign countries are pumping into it), China's people are becoming even better educated and Chinese companies are positioning themselves to become the innovators, rather than just the imitators/laborers. Eventually, China won't look to countries like the US and Japan for ideas... THEY will be generating the ideas. You go ahead and laugh. China has the financial resources and the resolve to do it... and we're financing it.

Just look at how Lenovo took over the Thinkpad brand from IBM and quickly made a name for themselves in the laptop business. China also has the potential to eventually make a big impact on auto manufacturing as well, especially after GM contracted a lot of Buick design work to China and sold the Hummer brand to a Chinese company.

Since when does China ever license software anyways?

90% of the country uses 1 license key.

/and it make her screamer in sack!
//guaranteed!

Hau Ruck: Good times, good times. I still can't bring myself to throw out my OS/2 Warp boxes of floppies and CDs. And I probably never will as a veteran of the OS wars of the early / mid 90s.

/Get off my lawn and piss off about "Linux"

Were you wounded in said war?

Bacontastesgood: I laugh everytime the idea that China is gonna steamroll the US comes up. Not as often now as it did 5 years ago, but still you hear it. Yeah, a country with 4x the population and 1/8th the agriculture, and NO RESPECT FOR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY WHATSOEVER is going to out-innovate the US. Without innovation, all they have is cheap factory labor and lame enviro laws and they won't even compete with Japan and S. Korea.

You do realize that the US of A did the same thing back in the day. Copied books and industrial equipment, stole trade secrets, etc. We only clamped down on it when we started producing things worth protecting.

Not saying it's right, just that it's a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

I love the Vista hate from people who have no idea why Vista is amazing

/OMGz, THEY moved some buttons around, and my old crappy hardware doesn't work!

//Don't mind the complete overhaul of the underlying memory management and virtual mapping system that makes heap sprays and buffer overflows a LOT tougher

Linux_Yes: NOW you know who has the real power in the U.S: the Wealthy.



My god! It's so obvious! Why didn't I SEE it?!

oneodd1: Hau Ruck: Good times, good times. I still can't bring myself to throw out my OS/2 Warp boxes of floppies and CDs. And I probably never will as a veteran of the OS wars of the early / mid 90s.

/Get off my lawn and piss off about "Linux"

Were you wounded in said war?

Yes, but I got over it. An OS is a just a tool, use the one that does what you need it to do. My gaming machines are XP (Win7 when forced to), netbooks are Linux (Ubuntu), the file can is Linux (Fedora 11). I don't own any Macs, but my former neighbor (musician and advertisement jingle creator) swore by his Mac and ProTools for his recording.

Through one of their agreements IBM was able to continue including a mini-installation of Windows 3.1 as part of OS/2. There were two versions, one with Windows 3.1 included and a slightly cheaper one for people who already owned 3.1 and could use their disks to install it in OS/2.

Skyfrog: Through one of their agreements IBM was able to continue including a mini-installation of Windows 3.1 as part of OS/2. There were two versions, one with Windows 3.1 included and a slightly cheaper one for people who already owned 3.1 and could use their disks to install it in OS/2.

Yeah, and that confused the hell out of anyone that wasn't a dedicated OS/2 user and was thinking of trying it out. "OS/2 Warp with Windows" didn't make a whole lot of sense to a lot of people, especially since most people already had Windows 3.1 installed and could use the plain "OS/2 Warp" version. More of that brilliant marketing for which IBM is known.