Armageddon for Hawaii.

They told us Cuba was making us look bad, too.

Sounds like a certain state needs to be bombed by Germany again.

Penalize? Oh come on.
Federal government is requiring around 130% of poverty level for medicaid.
Most states would have to double their enrollment to cover this, so they are getting large federal grants to help out right now.
Hawaii would only have to increase its enrollment a small percent, so its getting help anyways, but not as much. By 2013 the levels both states get would be the same.

WHAAAMULANCE!

Why would we send those foreigners money, anyways? American taxes should be spent helping Americans

Lost Thought 00: Why would we send those foreigners money, anyways? American taxes should be spent helping Americans

Hussein is just trying to help out his home country..

"We've already implemented and budgeted for the increased rolls, but we want money too!"

Uhm... Maybe the .gov can toss them a couple million just to shut them up?

Think of it as a crappy gold star sticker - cheap (for the government), and it makes them feel special.

MindStalker: Federal government is requiring around 130% of poverty level for medicaid.

That is also another example of Democrats artificially lowering the health bill's true cost.

Medicaid must be matched by state dollars. In effect, Democrats are making the federal government force states to considerably re-alter their own budgets to pay for more health care.

So Democrats get to hide the bill's true cost, because states will be forced to pay the extra.

If they "exported" their best pineapples, I'd have some sympathy.

But they don't. They KEEP the best ones for their own use. We in the lower 48 get the second or third string pineapples.

Well, fark you Hawaii. You kept all the good pineapples and now you WILL PAY.

and by penalize they mean "since we don't have to increase enrollment as much, we don't get as much new federal dollars"

STFU dishonest bullshiat.

helix400: MindStalker: Federal government is requiring around 130% of poverty level for medicaid.

That is also another example of Democrats artificially lowering the health bill's true cost.

Medicaid must be matched by state dollars. In effect, Democrats are making the federal government force states to considerably re-alter their own budgets to pay for more health care.

So Democrats get to hide the bill's true cost, because states will be forced to pay the extra.

If it's hidden how come you know?

DarnoKonrad: If it's hidden how come you know?

Because I'm smarter than every Farker put together.

Multiplied by a million.

We all know this is happening because Obama claims to be from Hawaii, right?

helix400: DarnoKonrad: If it's hidden how come you know?

Because I'm smarter than every Farker put together.

Multiplied by a million.

Divided by zero.

pacochu: Sounds like a certain state needs to be bombed by Germany again.

Japan. They were bombed by Japan.

coolbeans56: pacochu: Sounds like a certain state needs to be bombed by Germany again.

Japan. They were bombed by Japan.

Forget it. He's rolling.

Ah, the 21st century... where "getting less of a handout" is entirely equivalent to "being penalized".

In other news, I've received far fewer blow jobs from Megan Fox than some other people. Surely that's a "hate crime" of some sort, innit?

coolbeans56: pacochu: Sounds like a certain state needs to be bombed by Germany again.

Japan. They were bombed by Japan.

You must be new here or have never seen Animal House.

Spade: If they "exported" their best pineapples, I'd have some sympathy.

But they don't. They KEEP the best ones for their own use. We in the lower 48 get the second or third string pineapples.

Well, fark you Hawaii. You kept all the good pineapples and now you WILL PAY.

Actually, blame Dole. They moved their pineapple production to Brazil (I think), and now aside from the West Coast, you can't get Hawaiian pineapples anymore. It's not Hawaii, it's Dole.

/went to Maui on my honeymoon and ate a pineapple a day.

Pants_Optional: coolbeans56: pacochu: Sounds like a certain state needs to be bombed by Germany again.

Japan. They were bombed by Japan.

You must be new here or have never seen Animal House.

Not "or". Gotta be both.

Gamer Grrrl: Spade: If they "exported" their best pineapples, I'd have some sympathy.

But they don't. They KEEP the best ones for their own use. We in the lower 48 get the second or third string pineapples.

Well, fark you Hawaii. You kept all the good pineapples and now you WILL PAY.

Actually, blame Dole. They moved their pineapple production to Brazil (I think), and now aside from the West Coast, you can't get Hawaiian pineapples anymore. It's not Hawaii, it's Dole.

/went to Maui on my honeymoon and ate a pineapple a day.

I thought they moved some of it to Mexico. Hawaii was too expensive to import to Continental US.

No ice in paradise!

/Dog's got the ugliest wife EVER... and two retarded sons... and a retarded brother... and his theme song sucks.

I had a conservative friend of mine recently mention to me,"Y'know, they tried to socialize healthcare in Hawaii, and it failed."

I honestly hadn't heard anything about it, so I didn't have much to say. I knew they'd tried in Washington, etc.

But are there any Hawaiian farkers or former Hawaiians to enlighten me on how well the system works, etc? I'm gonna google it, but it'd be nice to hear of some personal experiences.

MindStalker: Penalize? Oh come on.
Federal government is requiring around 130% of poverty level for medicaid.
Most states would have to double their enrollment to cover this, so they are getting large federal grants to help out right now.
Hawaii would only have to increase its enrollment a small percent, so its getting help anyways, but not as much. By 2013 the levels both states get would be the same.

WHAAAMULANCE!

It's an issue of subsidizing failure. We saw it in Wall Street. Who got the money? The companies that failed. If you practiced sound business practices and succeeded, you got nothing. We saw this in Cash For Clunkers. Who got the discounts? People who had shiatty cars and polluted. If you were responsible and ecofriendly, you got nothing. Now we see it in health care. Who gets the funds? The states who underperform. If you take initiative and do well, you get less.

Of course, there are much BIGGER problems to worry about, like how the current bills are going to be complete failures, but that's a different issue.

obtanium666: No ice in paradise!

/Dog's got the ugliest wife EVER... and two retarded sons... and a retarded brother... and his theme song sucks.

tell us what you really feel.

Man, talk about getting frantically farked by the fickle finger of fate.

maniacbastard: Man, talk about getting frantically farked by the fickle finger of fate.

If it wasn't fickle it'd be kinda hot.

Emposter: MindStalker: Penalize? Oh come on.
Federal government is requiring around 130% of poverty level for medicaid.
Most states would have to double their enrollment to cover this, so they are getting large federal grants to help out right now.
Hawaii would only have to increase its enrollment a small percent, so its getting help anyways, but not as much. By 2013 the levels both states get would be the same.

WHAAAMULANCE!

It's an issue of subsidizing failure. We saw it in Wall Street. Who got the money? The companies that failed. If you practiced sound business practices and succeeded, you got nothing. We saw this in Cash For Clunkers. Who got the discounts? People who had shiatty cars and polluted. If you were responsible and ecofriendly, you got nothing. Now we see it in health care. Who gets the funds? The states who underperform. If you take initiative and do well, you get less.

Of course, there are much BIGGER problems to worry about, like how the current bills are going to be complete failures, but that's a different issue.

But the alternative is just as bad. Schools are a good example. More heavily fund schools that suck and you are "rewarding failure." Removing funding from schools that suck and you just deepen the problem.

Gamer Grrrl: Spade: If they "exported" their best pineapples, I'd have some sympathy.

But they don't. They KEEP the best ones for their own use. We in the lower 48 get the second or third string pineapples.

Well, fark you Hawaii. You kept all the good pineapples and now you WILL PAY.

Actually, blame Dole. They moved their pineapple production to Brazil (I think), and now aside from the West Coast, you can't get Hawaiian pineapples anymore. It's not Hawaii, it's Dole.

/went to Maui on my honeymoon and ate a pineapple a day.

There are still plenty of Dole plantations in Hawaii. You might be thinking of Del Monte who left a few years back.

RemyDuron: Emposter: It's an issue of subsidizing failure. We saw it in Wall Street. Who got the money? The companies that failed. If you practiced sound business practices and succeeded, you got nothing. We saw this in Cash For Clunkers. Who got the discounts? People who had shiatty cars and polluted. If you were responsible and ecofriendly, you got nothing. Now we see it in health care. Who gets the funds? The states who underperform. If you take initiative and do well, you get less.

Of course, there are much BIGGER problems to worry about, like how the current bills are going to be complete failures, but that's a different issue.

But the alternative is just as bad. Schools are a good example. More heavily fund schools that suck and you are "rewarding failure." Removing funding from schools that suck and you just deepen the problem.

But the flip side means you'd get complaining that the feds subsidized people to pay back "under water" loans for houses they couldn't afford in the first place. That we'd be paying for other people's costlier health insurance because they chose to smoke or eat fatty foods.

I marvel at how the federal government always scrambles like mad to spend-spend-spend through the end of the summer, because agencies who don't spend their full budget by 1 October (the start of the federal fiscal year) have to answer for the extra. Why? I'd say they did a bang-up job: they did all they had to for the year paying less than we budgeted. How is that failure? Give the department 10% of the recovered sum to distribute as bonuses or something.

Incentivize success, subsidize failure. If the incentives cost less than the savings (by a lot, not by a dollar or two) and the subsidy is returned via newly-functional [schools, traders/trading firms, cars, etc] - everyone wins.

Dr Dreidel: But the flip side means you'd get complaining that the feds subsidized people to pay back "under water" loans for houses they couldn't afford in the first place. That we'd be paying for other people's costlier health insurance because they chose to smoke or eat fatty foods.

We all ready tax tobacco. IMO if we had real universal health care we would be wise to start taxing fatty food too.

RemyDuron: Dr Dreidel: But the flip side means you'd get complaining that the feds subsidized people to pay back "under water" loans for houses they couldn't afford in the first place. That we'd be paying for other people's costlier health insurance because they chose to smoke or eat fatty foods.

We all ready tax tobacco. IMO if we had real universal health care we would be wise to start taxing fatty food too.

Or we could stop loading our food with it and shiat like HFCS and hydrogenated fatbean fat carbocholesterfat with 10g of sodium. But that would be GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF THE FOOD INDUSTRY if FDA grew some balls.

TheRaven7: hydrogenated fatbean fat carbocholesterfat

Mmm... hydrogenated fatbean fat carbocholesterfat...

Serves Hawaii right for having all those nice beaches, warm water, and hot surfer dudes and chicks that hang out in their bathing suits all day long. It's about time they suffered.

But their healthcare plan will benefit everyone.


HAHAHA!


Suckers!

npt: I had a conservative friend of mine recently mention to me,"Y'know, they tried to socialize healthcare in Hawaii, and it failed."

I honestly hadn't heard anything about it, so I didn't have much to say. I knew they'd tried in Washington, etc.

But are there any Hawaiian farkers or former Hawaiians to enlighten me on how well the system works, etc? I'm gonna google it, but it'd be nice to hear of some personal experiences.

I've never heard anything about "socializing" the health care system here (not that the word means much these days because it's getting misused so often), but we do have an employer mandate regarding health insurance (called the Hawaii Prepaid Healthcare Act) that has been in effect since 1974. The catch is that one is only covered if one works for an employer at least 20 hours a week, so a commmon tactic to circumvent the law is to hire more part-time workers and limit them to 19 hours a week each.

It's still better than what most of the mainland has (possibly excepting places like Arizona and Massachusetts), because most of the mainland has nothing. My understanding is that Hawaii's system was also used as the basis of President Clinton's reform plan, although that didn't go anywhere.

musashi1600: npt: I had a conservative friend of mine recently mention to me,"Y'know, they tried to socialize healthcare in Hawaii, and it failed."

I honestly hadn't heard anything about it, so I didn't have much to say. I knew they'd tried in Washington, etc.

But are there any Hawaiian farkers or former Hawaiians to enlighten me on how well the system works, etc? I'm gonna google it, but it'd be nice to hear of some personal experiences.

I've never heard anything about "socializing" the health care system here (not that the word means much these days because it's getting misused so often), but we do have an employer mandate regarding health insurance (called the Hawaii Prepaid Healthcare Act) that has been in effect since 1974. The catch is that one is only covered if one works for an employer at least 20 hours a week, so a commmon tactic to circumvent the law is to hire more part-time workers and limit them to 19 hours a week each.

It's still better than what most of the mainland has (possibly excepting places like Arizona and Massachusetts), because most of the mainland has nothing. My understanding is that Hawaii's system was also used as the basis of President Clinton's reform plan, although that didn't go anywhere.

There's also some sort of medicaid-like thing called Quest or MedQuest, for people on welfare and kids. I'm not sure whether that's what someone would call socialized.

And Kaiser Permanente (one of the biggest health insurers in Hawaii) has started selling individual plans, too.

So yeah, basically Hawaii's got a lot of the stuff the administration is pushing for... but I wouldn't say it's failed; it seems to be working quite well, if the other thread about Hawaii ranking 4th in the nation for health is any indication.

dbirchall: There's also some sort of medicaid-like thing called Quest or MedQuest, for people on welfare and kids. I'm not sure whether that's what someone would call socialized.

Med-QUEST is the state's Medicaid program.