Do I have to live in Philly to get the joke?

The article that TFA linked to was actually a kind of entertaining read, if you like seeing Andy Reid mocked.

Gonz: The article that TFA linked to was actually a kind of entertaining read, if you like seeing Andy Reid mocked.

Huh. I thought his team had that one covered.

/zing

Ah, the annual ritual of Philly fans writing off their team as worthless, only to watch them come back from the ashes and make a run, with their fans conveniently forgetting all the terrible things they said mid-season.

/Philly fans, shortest memory in all of sports
//Don't worry, none of them read this far

Lost Thought 00: Ah, the annual ritual of Philly fans writing off their team as worthless, only to watch them come back from the ashes and make a run, with their fans conveniently forgetting all the terrible things they said mid-season.

/Philly fans, shortest memory in all of sports
//Don't worry, none of them read this far

I never got all the McNabb hate. If McNabb was as sick as he looked in the super bowl, the coach or some one higher up should have taken him out at the end when he looked like he was going to pass out. Other than that he's one of the best qbs in the league. Suck it Limbaugh.

Philly fans are the biggest cry baby fans ever....I mean ever. Seriously, you would think they all had vagina for mouths.

Lost Thought 00: Ah, the annual ritual of Philly fans writing off their team as worthless, only to watch them come back from the ashes and make a run, with their fans conveniently forgetting all the terrible things they said mid-season.

/Philly fans, shortest memory in all of sports
//Don't worry, none of them read this far

All they're saying in TFA is that Iverson would be about as useful as Vick has been... which is basically true.

The Eagles have been really inconsistent this year, and their remaining schedule is tougher than the part they've been through, but they're inconsistent every year and they've made longer shot comebacks to the playoffs several times. I've given up on trying to predict. I just watch the games.

Yes, please have Iverson at QB when you play against the Falcons.

Thanks!

Man Philly fan, do you all hate McNabb that much? I know he can be a little erratic at times, but at least he's capable of throwing for over 300 yards on occasion. Have you looked around the NFL lately? It's a garbage dump at QB. Kerry Collins was a pro-bowler last year. Kerry Collins! Chad Henne has a starting job in this league! You wouldn't let Chad Henne captain your intramural flag football team at work.

It'll be funny when McNabb finally retires/gets tired of your shiat and leaves, and you spend the next 20 years running through about 14 guys that all look like Koy Detmer. Why do you think Chicago was willing to give up so much on the chance that Cutler wasn't an interception machine?

You have to have a good QB to win in this league. I know everyone likes to point to '01 Ravens or '03 Bucs but come on, those teams had All-Time Great defenses. McNabb may not be a great QB, but he is a good one, and desperately searching through some weird QB discard pile for the likes of Vick, Iverson, or whomever isn't the answer.

McNabb is drastically overrated

Bill Frist: McNabb is drastically overrated

Yeah, because any quarterback that leads his team to 5 NFC championships sucks really bad, right?

Fark-the-Fnord: Bill Frist: McNabb is drastically overrated

Yeah, because any quarterback that leads his team to 5 NFC championships sucks really bad, right?

Uhhh, they won one (1) NFC Championship. They played in five NFC Championship games.

There is a difference, and they lost twice at home, with McNabb's offense accounting for a total of 13 points. Not to say that Philly fans are rational to hate him, but there are fair ways to criticize him as well.

Fark-the-Fnord: Yeah, because any quarterback that leads his team to 5 NFC championships sucks really bad, right?

He certainly doesn't SUCK, but he is often talked about as being "the best QB to not win a super bowl" in the league. I'm sorry, but McNabb, while a good QB, is not one of the elite QBs of this or recent history. He does not compare to Manning, Brees, Brady, Favre, Warner, etc.

I think Iverson would have a problem with training camp.

McNabb is a good QB. He is erratic which kills you against good defenses.

In big games he suddenly throws picks and fumbles a lot.

jayhawk88: Man Philly fan, do you all hate McNabb that much? I know he can be a little erratic at times, but at least he's capable of throwing for over 300 yards on occasion. Have you looked around the NFL lately? It's a garbage dump at QB. Kerry Collins was a pro-bowler last year. Kerry Collins! Chad Henne has a starting job in this league! You wouldn't let Chad Henne captain your intramural flag football team at work.

It'll be funny when McNabb finally retires/gets tired of your shiat and leaves, and you spend the next 20 years running through about 14 guys that all look like Koy Detmer. Why do you think Chicago was willing to give up so much on the chance that Cutler wasn't an interception machine?

You have to have a good QB to win in this league. I know everyone likes to point to '01 Ravens or '03 Bucs but come on, those teams had All-Time Great defenses. McNabb may not be a great QB, but he is a good one, and desperately searching through some weird QB discard pile for the likes of Vick, Iverson, or whomever isn't the answer.

I like McNabb. He's not as good as he used to be, but he's still IMO a little above average at worst.

Vick was never intended to be McNabb's replacement - he was supposed to be useful for half a dozen gadget plays a game. Turns out he's not even useful for that anymore, but it's not like his contract was expensive.

"Ford goes on to tear down the decision to bring Vick in and says that Iverson would be even more electrifying taking snaps."

You know, the article makes a good point here. If you're going to bring in a problem player with no real shot at being a difference maker for the "thrill" alone, you might as well make it somebody who will make a gigantic splash.

/not serious about Iverson playing

Bill Frist: Fark-the-Fnord: Yeah, because any quarterback that leads his team to 5 NFC championships sucks really bad, right?

He certainly doesn't SUCK, but he is often talked about as being "the best QB to not win a super bowl" in the league. I'm sorry, but McNabb, while a good QB, is not one of the elite QBs of this or recent history. He does not compare to Manning, Brees, Brady, Favre, Warner, etc.

Well, all of those guys but Brees have won a super bowl. Brees is certainly better now, but I don't know if I would have said the same thing a few years ago. I think McNabb's had one of the better careers among guys who never won a super bowl.

Maybe if Andy Reid didn't suck so hard the Eagles would have actually won something. Thank God they didn't but I would be glad to McNaab as QB over the years. Ungrateful a holes.

MugzyBrown: McNabb is a good QB. He is erratic which kills you against good defenses.

In big games he suddenly throws picks and fumbles a lot.

I agree, but I don't think the effect of the play calling has been discussed enough either. Every year I see it. They keep the offense balanced with plenty of Westbrook in the mix and they seem fine, great even. Then in another game, Eagles just get pass happy and that's when you start seeing all the sack/fumbles and interceptions. I mean on any pass happy team those turnover numbers will go up sure, but the Eagles rarely need to be like that. I never understand why they make that shift.

I'm glad they included the 'Press Hop' video in this article.

duncangonuts: I agree, but I don't think the effect of the play calling has been discussed enough either. Every year I see it. They keep the offense balanced with plenty of Westbrook in the mix and they seem fine, great even. Then in another game, Eagles just get pass happy and that's when you start seeing all the sack/fumbles and interceptions. I mean on any pass happy team those turnover numbers will go up sure, but the Eagles rarely need to be like that. I never understand why they make that shift.


Andy Reid is an idiot as well.

But they never really make a shift.. they hardly ever run a balanced attack. In the games they lose in the playoffs, the Eagles will fall behind by 1 point and then the run goes away forever.

McNabb isn't the problem this year. I'd say losing Westbrook, the first and second string LBs and the fact that the eagles are pulling people off the street to play DB is hurting more than McNabbs patented erratic play.

Gocong hasn't played middle LB since high school, and it showed against san diego

Do you know who Garblox is: McNabb isn't the problem this year. I'd say losing Westbrook, the first and second string LBs and the fact that the eagles are pulling people off the street to play DB is hurting more than McNabbs patented erratic play.

Gocong hasn't played middle LB since high school, and it showed against san diego

I would be more than happy to give McNabb another 2 years without Andy to see if it can work.

Andy is the head of football operations and hasn't fixed basic problems with the team, such as the LB corps not being able to cover TEs for 5+ years.

MugzyBrown: Do you know who Garblox is: McNabb isn't the problem this year. I'd say losing Westbrook, the first and second string LBs and the fact that the eagles are pulling people off the street to play DB is hurting more than McNabbs patented erratic play.

Gocong hasn't played middle LB since high school, and it showed against san diego

I would be more than happy to give McNabb another 2 years without Andy to see if it can work.

Andy is the head of football operations and hasn't fixed basic problems with the team, such as the LB corps not being able to cover TEs for 5+ years.

The thing I never understood about Reid is the avoidance of the running game. Every team that's ran on Oakland has beaten them easily. LeSean McCoy isn't bad why not pound the rock? McNabb can throw a great deep ball so why not pound the ball then throw a little play action?

spacechicken170am: The thing I never understood about Reid is the avoidance of the running game. Every team that's ran on Oakland has beaten them easily. LeSean McCoy isn't bad why not pound the rock? McNabb can throw a great deep ball so why not pound the ball then throw a little play action?


Because Andy Reid is a horrible, horrible game-day coach.

He's a good coach from Sun at 4pm to next Sun at 1pm, but he cannot think on his feet. Thus you get:

Misused timeouts
Bad challenges
Inflexible game plan
Delay of game penalties

Sorry, AI. In the NFL, you HAVE to practice.

MugzyBrown: spacechicken170am: The thing I never understood about Reid is the avoidance of the running game. Every team that's ran on Oakland has beaten them easily. LeSean McCoy isn't bad why not pound the rock? McNabb can throw a great deep ball so why not pound the ball then throw a little play action?


Because Andy Reid is a horrible, horrible game-day coach.

He's a good coach from Sun at 4pm to next Sun at 1pm, but he cannot think on his feet. Thus you get:

Misused timeouts
Bad challenges
Inflexible game plan
Delay of game penalties

I'm a Skins fan and during the Eagles/Raiders game even I was sreaming at the TV telling Reid to "RUN THE GODDAMNED BALL"!!!

spacechicken170am: MugzyBrown: spacechicken170am: The thing I never understood about Reid is the avoidance of the running game. Every team that's ran on Oakland has beaten them easily. LeSean McCoy isn't bad why not pound the rock? McNabb can throw a great deep ball so why not pound the ball then throw a little play action?


Because Andy Reid is a horrible, horrible game-day coach.

He's a good coach from Sun at 4pm to next Sun at 1pm, but he cannot think on his feet. Thus you get:

Misused timeouts
Bad challenges
Inflexible game plan
Delay of game penalties

I'm a Skins fan and during the Eagles/Raiders game even I was sreaming at the TV telling Reid to "RUN THE GODDAMNED BALL"!!!

I had the Eagles in my suicide pool. I figured it would be an easy win.

Dumbass Eagles causing me to get a strike in the pool because of their dumbass coach.

spacechicken170am: I'm a Skins fan and during the Eagles/Raiders game even I was sreaming at the TV telling Reid to "RUN THE GODDAMNED BALL"!!!


But that's what they're expecting!!! I'll out-smart them! Play Action pass.


But coach, we haven't run all day, they'll never fall for that.

PLAY...ACTION..PASS


20 seconds later.. sack.

MugzyBrown: spacechicken170am: I'm a Skins fan and during the Eagles/Raiders game even I was sreaming at the TV telling Reid to "RUN THE GODDAMNED BALL"!!!


But that's what they're expecting!!! I'll out-smart them! Play Action pass.


But coach, we haven't run all day, they'll never fall for that.

PLAY...ACTION..PASS


20 seconds later.. sack.

Someone needed to slap Reid in the face and say, "Look, dumbass, here are the rules.

1. Run the ball.
2. Run the ball.
3. Run the ball.
4. Every once in a while, go playaction.
5. If you go playaction, DO NOT THROW IT AT ASOMUGAH.
6. I can't stress rule #5 enough.
7. Run the ball.

Since when does Philadelphia need a new quarterback? QB Eagles is a beast.

Bash them all you want, but I enjoy being able to root for a competitive team year in and year out. Over the past 10 years, I'd say only the Pats, Colts, and maybe Steelers have consistently had winning records.

moogrum: Bash them all you want, but I enjoy being able to root for a competitive team year in and year out. Over the past 10 years, I'd say only the Pats, Colts, and maybe Steelers have consistently had winning records.

A "winning record" doesn't really set the bar very high.

Treygreen13: I had the Eagles in my suicide pool. I figured it would be an easy win.

Dumbass Eagles causing me to get a strike in the pool because of their dumbass coach.

Never bet on an Eagles game. Just don't do it.

you have pee hands: Treygreen13: I had the Eagles in my suicide pool. I figured it would be an easy win.

Dumbass Eagles causing me to get a strike in the pool because of their dumbass coach.

Never bet on an Eagles game. Just don't do it.

I know, I know... but it was the Raiders with JaMarcus Russel. I mean, come on. Russel.

Your team is down 6 points.
There's 2:14 left in the 4th quarter.
You can have your pick of quarterbacks.

How many names before you get to McNabb?


/i'm just sayin'
//lifelong Eagles fan
///Phillies slashies

Pharktacular: Your team is down 6 points.
There's 2:14 left in the 4th quarter.
You can have your pick of quarterbacks.

How many names before you get to McNabb?


/i'm just sayin'
//lifelong Eagles fan
///Phillies slashies

Let's see... assuming we're talking regular season.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady of 2007
Ben Roethlisberger
Brett Favre
Drew Brees
Phillip Rivers
Tom Brady of 2009
Tony Romo
Donovan McNabb

So, 8 names down (not including Tom Brady's appearance twice)... which still puts him in the top 25%.

Pharktacular: Your team is down 6 points.
There's 2:14 left in the 4th quarter.
You can have your pick of quarterbacks.

How many names before you get to McNabb?

A lot, but the point is that none of them are signing with Philly anytime soon.

As someone who gets to see the niners/raiders on a weekly basis, I can tell you that having a QB who "only" peaks at a pro-bowl level rather than a HOF level isn't really something to cry about.

Pharktacular: Your team is down 6 points.
There's 2:14 left in the 4th quarter.
You can have your pick of quarterbacks.

How many names before you get to McNabb?

Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Favre, Warner, a healthy Palmer, maybe Ben, Schaub... McNabb is down in the second tier with Eli, Romo, etc. for me.

The problem isn't McNabb, the problem is Reid. MugzyBrown: spacechicken170am: The thing I never understood about Reid is the avoidance of the running game. Every team that's ran on Oakland has beaten them easily. LeSean McCoy isn't bad why not pound the rock? McNabb can throw a great deep ball so why not pound the ball then throw a little play action?


Because Andy Reid is a horrible, horrible game-day coach.

He's a good coach from Sun at 4pm to next Sun at 1pm, but he cannot think on his feet. Thus you get:

Misused timeouts
Bad challenges
Inflexible game plan
Delay of game penalties

Thank you for saying exactly what I was going to say. I can't believe that the Eagles still have these same issues for the entire time Reid has been head coach. Why can't they get someone else in there to manage those things?

you have pee hands: Well, all of those guys but Brees have won a super bowl. Brees is certainly better now, but I don't know if I would have said the same thing a few years ago.

You have a fair point, but most of the older great QBs have won one... In addition to Brees, I'd put Rivers, Palmer, and maybe a few more above him in the no super bowl catagory.

MugzyBrown: spacechicken170am: The thing I never understood about Reid is the avoidance of the running game. Every team that's ran on Oakland has beaten them easily. LeSean McCoy isn't bad why not pound the rock? McNabb can throw a great deep ball so why not pound the ball then throw a little play action?


Because Andy Reid is a horrible, horrible game-day coach.

He's a good coach from Sun at 4pm to next Sun at 1pm, but he cannot think on his feet. Thus you get:

Misused timeouts
Bad challenges
Inflexible game plan
Delay of game penalties

You forgot clock management. When it is the two minute there is no rush or need to score. The Eagles still have their 10 minute offense cap on.

MT Beer: I'm glad they included the 'Press Hop' video in this article.

I wanna kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. I wanna kiss you.

bukketmaster:
A lot, but the point is that none of them are signing with Philly anytime soon.

As someone who gets to see the niners/raiders on a weekly basis, I can tell you that having a QB who "only" peaks at a pro-bowl level rather than a HOF level isn't really something to cry about.

Fair enough. But my point was to help non-Eagles fans understand why we're sometimes less than thrilled with McNabb. Countless 4th quarter examples of horrendous clock management, interceptions, not knowing overtime rules, the lackadaisical aww-shucks-we-lost-again-but-wasn't-that-a-fun-way-to-spend-3-hours smile on his face, etc.

He even pulled a Chris Webber and called a timeout this season -- his 10th -- when he didn't have any left.

blockbustarhymes: MT Beer: I'm glad they included the 'Press Hop' video in this article.

I wanna kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. I wanna kiss you.

I got really concerned for a second there, then recalled the Drunk Joe Namath near the end. It's amazing how well AI's quotes flow with the beat (not a game, not a game not a game), although my favorite might be Jim Mora autotuned.

Bill Frist: You have a fair point, but most of the older great QBs have won one... In addition to Brees, I'd put Rivers, Palmer, and maybe a few more above him in the no super bowl catagory.

He's done it for longer than either of them, but they're both certainly getting there. I'm hesitant to pick a guy who's only had a few good seasons and say he's the "best who's never won" or something, that's a career achievement, if you can call it that.
Look up Culpepper's '03 and '04 and have a chuckle to yourself.

Bill Frist: McNabb is down in the second tier with Eli, Romo

So the guy who beat an 18-0 team in the super bowl with a last-minute drive is in the same tier as the guy who's never won a playoff game of any kind? RLY?

you have pee hands: He's done it for longer than either of them, but they're both certainly getting there. I'm hesitant to pick a guy who's only had a few good seasons and say he's the "best who's never won" or something, that's a career achievement, if you can call it that.
Look up Culpepper's '03 and '04 and have a chuckle to yourself.

Yeah fair enough. Maybe it is just a stupid designation. Either way, what I'm saying is McNabb was outclassed by a bunch of QBs whose career overlap with the start of his, the main bulk of his and I believe the end of his (ie a bunch of these young guns like Rivers and so on will end up being considered better than him). There are years in the league where he is barely cracking the top 10.

So, good but not great.

bukketmaster: So the guy who beat an 18-0 team in the super bowl with a last-minute drive is in the same tier as the guy who's never won a playoff game of any kind? RLY?

I root for the Giants, but you can't deny Eli has been erratic.

"Quarterback":



/dethlink