If you drop Watershed and just keep Chesapeake Regional Indigenous Persons, we could be CRIPs.

I thought it was the Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons

MBFGeek: I thought it was the Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons

Subby must have stopped reading TMQ before he made the correction.

I for one, would buy that team's t-shirt.

Still wants a "fighting whities" shirt.

/needs a 4x

I read that as "Cheapskate."

Charlie Freak: I read that as "Cheapskate."

I read that as "Cheesesteak."

It could have been worse, the supreme court could have given them a blanket with smallpox.

Also: Pocket Ninja: If you drop Watershed and just keep Chesapeake Regional Indigenous Persons, we could be CRIPs.

That would rock.

so, a team named 'yellowskins' would be okay?

"The Supreme Court considered only the question of whether the suit was barred because of the passage of too much time. "


So...because some other group didn't bring up the issue fast enough, no other groups can challenge it?

People go crazy over 'blackface'...but to use a race's image as a logo is okay? Even one that's a caricature. (I'm looking at you, Cleveland)

GoGoGo: Even one that's a caricature. (I'm looking at you, Cleveland)

the color brown is a caricature? of what, burnt umber?

If the activists want to change the name, they can buy the team. Until then it's none of their business.

/part Indian

Most Indians I know like the mascot names. Usually these "activists" are guilt-ridden whities.

albo: GoGoGo: Even one that's a caricature. (I'm looking at you, Cleveland)

the color brown is a caricature? of what, burnt umber?

I think he is referring to the Cleveland Indians, albo. I know they haven't been in the news recently, but they are a sports franchise.

How about the Washington Vortex of Suck?

I think they should rename the team the Washington Pinks. Then the players could wear all pink uniforms and have a logo that looks like a sandy vagina.

GoGoGo: so, a team named 'yellowskins' would be okay?

"The Supreme Court considered only the question of whether the suit was barred because of the passage of too much time. "


So...because some other group didn't bring up the issue fast enough, no other groups can challenge it?

People go crazy over 'blackface'...but to use a race's image as a logo is okay? Even one that's a caricature. (I'm looking at you, Cleveland)

Well, yeah, there have to be limits on how long you can wait before filing your complaint.

The first cases about these team names are decades old; there's no real reason to have waited.

That said, I agree that it's beyond disgusting to use a racial group as your mascot if all other mascots are animals. But they're not. Plenty of schools have types of humans (e.g. the Quakers, the Fighting Irish, the Patriots, etc.) and so I think it's less cut-and-dry than you might think.

I fail to see how the name and/or mascot of a team is offensive or racist. I hardly think the name "redskins" is keeping Native Americans down.

\Go to any reservation on welfare check day, and you will see the problem.

What about the Washington Dan Snyders?

Treygreen13: know they haven't been in the news recently, but they are a sports franchise.

now you're making whacky statements, too! is the whole world crazy today?

Are you sure you want your real indigenous group associated with a bunch of losers?

Redskins isn't a racial group, its a racial slur.

MBFGeek: I thought it was the Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons

Came to say this but I can leave happy that someone else caught it.

Treygreen13: I think he is referring to the Cleveland Indians, albo. I know they haven't been in the news recently, but they are a sports franchise.

Other than that whole bit about C.C. Sabathia starting in the World Series against Cliff Lee, that is.

/also Franklin Gutierrez being snubbed of a Gold Glove despite being baseball's most valuable defensive player at any position

I'm sure at some point, an Indian chief gave permission to use the name, now they want it back...

The government shouldn't force Indian-named teams to change their names or logos.

But good taste and a sense of decency should.

mattharvest: GoGoGo: so, a team named 'yellowskins' would be okay?

"The Supreme Court considered only the question of whether the suit was barred because of the passage of too much time. "


So...because some other group didn't bring up the issue fast enough, no other groups can challenge it?

People go crazy over 'blackface'...but to use a race's image as a logo is okay? Even one that's a caricature. (I'm looking at you, Cleveland)

Well, yeah, there have to be limits on how long you can wait before filing your complaint.

The first cases about these team names are decades old; there's no real reason to have waited.

That said, I agree that it's beyond disgusting to use a racial group as your mascot if all other mascots are animals. But they're not. Plenty of schools have types of humans (e.g. the Quakers, the Fighting Irish, the Patriots, etc.) and so I think it's less cut-and-dry than you might think.

Most guilt ridden whites just assume it is without even taking the time to lookup the origin of the term. The real issue is whether or not it's even offensive. Now it refers to a football team. In historical use it was simply a discriptor like black or white. The only other option is that it was always pejorative so it must have originated form a pejorative context. Susan Harjo based her case on saying that the term was coined by scalp traders who traded bloody Indian scalps or red skins. This has been proven wrong. Now that the origin of the term has been proven to have originated amongst the Indians themselves she should be backing off her claim. She won't though. She has decided that the Smithsonian Institue's Linguist that conducted the research is a whitey therefore he couldn't understand the word and all his facts and historical evidence mean nothing.

Pocket Ninja: If you drop Watershed and just keep Chesapeake Regional Indigenous Persons, we could be CRIPs.

Approves.

Red skin?

spacechicken170am: She has decided that the Smithsonian Institue's Linguist that conducted the research is a whitey therefore he couldn't understand the word and all his facts and historical evidence mean nothing.

Dude the Smithsonian is based in DC, the Redskins are based in DC, it's obviously a conspiracy.

The Smithsonian was started by James Smithson the Redskins are owned by Daniel Snyder.

The Smithsonian as the largest Indoor collection of museum pieces in the world, FedEx field is the largest Outdoor stadium in the NFL.

See? The pieces are all there if you know where to look!

Renart: The government shouldn't force Indian-named teams to change their names or logos.

But good taste and a sense of decency should.

Not all Indian themed mascots are tasteless. Chicago Blackhawks, Florida State Seminoles, and plenty of others pay homage to their namesakes, not take advantage of them.

How about the Scalpy McScalpersons?

Jubeebee: Renart: The government shouldn't force Indian-named teams to change their names or logos.

But good taste and a sense of decency should.

Not all Indian themed mascots are tasteless. Chicago Blackhawks, Florida State Seminoles, and plenty of others pay homage to their namesakes, not take advantage of them.

You're right, I should have been more specific. I had things like "Redskins," the Cleveland Indians' Chief Wahoo, or the Atlanta Braves' Chief Knock-a-homa or whatever he was called in mind.

Propain_az: I hardly think the name "redskins" is keeping Native Americans down.

Have you seen the way this "team" plays? I wouldn't want to be associated with them. To even be related is embarrassing enough.

What's the name of the people indigenous to that particular region, exactly?

Not trying for snark, I'm actually curious if anyone knows.

Looks like Subby hails from the halcyon slate.com days.

Renart: The government shouldn't force Indian-named teams to change their names or logos.

But good taste and a sense of decency should.

This case isn't about forcing the 'Skins to change their name; it's about taking away their trademark protection of the name and logo.

Jubeebee: Renart: The government shouldn't force Indian-named teams to change their names or logos.

But good taste and a sense of decency should.

Not all Indian themed mascots are tasteless. Chicago Blackhawks, Florida State Seminoles, and plenty of others pay homage to their namesakes, not take advantage of them.

Exactly. Names after specific local tribes (w/ said tribe's consent) are reasonable. Redskins was never the name of a tribe. And Indians doesn't make any sense, they play cricket in India!

As a fan of the ND Fighting Sioux hockey team I'm really getting a kick out of...

There's a huge difference between Fighting Irish, Quakers, Patriots (??? Patriots??? How's that offensive at all?)

But Redskins is not even "honoring a tribe like "Seimnoles", "Black Hawks", or "Fighting Sioux". Quakers were proud to be called Quakers, only one college or pro team is called "Fighting Irish" and that is a predominantly Irish college.

Redskins is a classic racist term for Indian (or Native American) that few if any Indians (or Native Americans) ever called themselves.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Still wants a "fighting whities" shirt.

/needs a 4x

You sound fat.

/had to

Ponzholio: I'm sure at some point, an Indian chief gave permission to use the name, now they want it back...

Ohhhhhhhhhh, I see what you did there, I did...

No_One_Special: What's the name of the people indigenous to that particular region, exactly?

Not trying for snark, I'm actually curious if anyone knows.

Nacotchtanks, according to Wikipedia.

JohnHall: Redskins is a classic racist term for Indian (or Native American) that few if any Indians (or Native Americans) ever called themselves.

This is very, very historically invalid, and makes me think you're unaware of the tremendous bigotry between different American Indian tribes towards one another.

It's very quaint to keep the "Noble Savage" myth alive, but the reality is that most American Indians of given tribes disliked a tremendous number of other American Indians. Warfare was rampant here before we got here. When they wanted to use slurs against other tribes, they learned English, French, Dutch and other insults to use.

Separately, though, Redskin wasn't insulting originally. It was a plain descriptor, as has been noted in this thread, no different than black or white.

How do you feel about the New Zealand All Blacks?

JohnHall: There's a huge difference between Fighting Irish, Quakers, Patriots (??? Patriots??? How's that offensive at all?)

But Redskins is not even "honoring a tribe like "Seimnoles", "Black Hawks", or "Fighting Sioux". Quakers were proud to be called Quakers, only one college or pro team is called "Fighting Irish" and that is a predominantly Irish college.

Redskins is a classic racist term for Indian (or Native American) that few if any Indians (or Native Americans) ever called themselves.

You got a citation for that?

mattharvest:

How do you feel about the New Zealand All Blacks?

They sound jheri curly

JC

mattharvest: How do you feel about the New Zealand All Blacks?

That's a bit different, isn't it? "All Blacks" refers to their uniforms, not their skin. If they were called that and their mascot was a black man, it would be analogous.

No_One_Special: What's the name of the people indigenous to that particular region, exactly?

The Hekawi.

This seems to have been addressed by capable minds with serious dispositions.

i.e., "No comment."

mattharvest: JohnHall: Redskins is a classic racist term for Indian (or Native American) that few if any Indians (or Native Americans) ever called themselves.

This is very, very historically invalid, and makes me think you're unaware of the tremendous bigotry between different American Indian tribes towards one another.

It's very quaint to keep the "Noble Savage" myth alive, but the reality is that most American Indians of given tribes disliked a tremendous number of other American Indians. Warfare was rampant here before we got here. When they wanted to use slurs against other tribes, they learned English, French, Dutch and other insults to use.

Separately, though, Redskin wasn't insulting originally. It was a plain descriptor, as has been noted in this thread, no different than black or white.

How do you feel about the New Zealand All Blacks?

They dance well? And they ryhmes kick it?

TMQ is not funny.

/that is all

Pocket Ninja: we could be CRIPs

It's those kind of comments that got Limbaugh in trouble.