Reminds me of when I bought a house with a HOA and wanted my neighbors to mind their own damn business.


/Has been cited for lawn clipping lumps

*SLAP*

It was there first. If you didn't notice the 'farm fresh' smell, it's your own damn fault.

I hate these people, and the people who buy near an airport and then complain about airplane noise.

Gig103: It was there first. If you didn't notice the 'farm fresh' smell, it's your own damn fault.


NUISANCE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

FTFA: Across the street sits JBS SA's hog-slaughtering plant, a 43-year-old facility that employs about 1,300 people.

Yes. Let's unemploy 1300 people just because some snot-nosed Yale grad can't stand the smell of hog shiat.

YOU are what's wrong with America, a$$holes!

Anyone want to bet that the owners of these trendy boutiques also enjoy a nice panko-crusted double-thick pork chop on a bed of garlic mashed potatoes with a white wine and apricot reduction, but have never butchered a hog?

Maybe they thought it was the section of town where more lesbians wear flannel and drive trucks... "Butch"er town....

/Easy mistake to make.

...JBS SA's hog-slaughtering plant, a 43-year-old facility that employs about 1,300 people...
vs.
Charlotte Noel, who opened Miss Cs' with Chris Sundberg in 2006.

They were around for four decades before your crappy little sandwich shop. Shut your mouth, and start serving some bbq instead.

pandabear: Anyone want to bet that the owners of these trendy boutiques also enjoy a nice panko-crusted double-thick pork chop on a bed of garlic mashed potatoes with a white wine and apricot reduction, but have never butchered a hog?

um, do you come from somehwere where it's common for people to have done such things?

Isn't this the textbook case for these things?

The hog farm will have to move and they will be underpaid for doing so.

SoCalChris: ...JBS SA's hog-slaughtering plant, a 43-year-old facility that employs about 1,300 people...
vs.
Charlotte Noel, who opened Miss Cs' with Chris Sundberg in 2006.

They were around for four decades before your crappy little sandwich shop. Shut your mouth, and start serving some bbq instead.

No kidding. She should be happy that it only has to travel 100 yards from butcher to her shop.

Ah, I love the smell of NIMBYs on a Monday morning.

Bricktop is not amused.

doublesecretprobation: pandabear: Anyone want to bet that the owners of these trendy boutiques also enjoy a nice panko-crusted double-thick pork chop on a bed of garlic mashed potatoes with a white wine and apricot reduction, but have never butchered a hog?

um, do you come from somehwere where it's common for people to have done such things?

Pretty common in my family. I'm one of the last remaining who can pass it on to the next generation.

Count me as surprised that Louisville has trendy neighborhoods.

processed meat trifecta in play?

Same issue as with PiR.

Raceway operates for decades without incident because it was zoned and placed far outside the residential areas. Urban sprawl brings residential zones into the industrial outskirts. Idiot Californians move to the area without doing any sort of research into the local area. Now the raceway is a "nuisance" that has had the city council breathing down its neck, trying to shut it down.

You can't make a hog plant smell pretty and you can't make a raceway quiet. Some people need to be taken out back and beaten until they realize that they are not the center of the universe, and that they are the ones who chose to live near these places.

/Won't live near a raceway, hog plant, or airport
//Because I don't like the noise and smells!

Gig103: *SLAP*

It was there first. If you didn't notice the 'farm fresh' smell, it's your own damn fault.

I hate these people, and the people who buy near an airport and then complain about airplane noise.

I've lived near an airport, and I have to say there are the whiners and then there are legitimate gripes.

Years ago I lived near the Anoka county airport in MN (a municapal airport that has mostly single engines, but sometimes takes on private jets.) One of the people that flew out of there had a huge collection of WW2 planes. Very loud, but he only flew them during the day and always maintained higher altitudes. No problems there.

But then some nights we would have assholes in Lear jets buzzing the neighborhood at 3am. It felt like the house was literally shaking apart. That was a problem.

IamPatSajak: Reminds me of when I bought a house with a HOA and wanted my neighbors to mind their own damn business.


/Has been cited for lawn clipping lumps

My father lives in an area with the most draconian HOA I have ever seen. He received a citation threatening fines for putting his garbage can out the afternoon before trash day instead of the night before(he responded by saying they could fornicate themselves).

More absurdities: You cannot plant ANYTHING in your flower beds unless you develop a "planting plan" and get it approved. You are only allowed to have TWO potted plants on your doorstep and cannot have your door painted any color. Your blinds facing the street must be a neutral color. You cannot have a hot tub on your deck if any part of it is visible from the street.

I swear the HOA council is just a bunch of old Nazis that need a hobby.

Kuroshin: Same issue as with PiR.

Raceway operates for decades without incident because it was zoned and placed far outside the residential areas. Urban sprawl brings residential zones into the industrial outskirts. Idiot Californians move to the area without doing any sort of research into the local area. Now the raceway is a "nuisance" that has had the city council breathing down its neck, trying to shut it down.

You can't make a hog plant smell pretty and you can't make a raceway quiet. Some people need to be taken out back and beaten until they realize that they are not the center of the universe, and that they are the ones who chose to live near these places.

/Won't live near a raceway, hog plant, or airport
//Because I don't like the noise and smells!

No. Nuisance is nuisance. It doesn't matter that there was a period of time when the nuisance you created did not affect anyone.

But in Butchertown, many residents say they might be better off without the slaughterhouse and instead attract new jobs like those associated with the "next Googles and Microsofts," Mr. Salomon say

Yep, the next Google or MSFT is going to setup shop in Kentucky.

MightyPez: Gig103: *SLAP*

It was there first. If you didn't notice the 'farm fresh' smell, it's your own damn fault.

I hate these people, and the people who buy near an airport and then complain about airplane noise.

I've lived near an airport, and I have to say there are the whiners and then there are legitimate gripes.

Years ago I lived near the Anoka county airport in MN (a municapal airport that has mostly single engines, but sometimes takes on private jets.) One of the people that flew out of there had a huge collection of WW2 planes. Very loud, but he only flew them during the day and always maintained higher altitudes. No problems there.

But then some nights we would have assholes in Lear jets buzzing the neighborhood at 3am. It felt like the house was literally shaking apart. That was a problem.

Nothing sounds legitimate about that argument. Did the airport promise you it wouldn't operate during late night hours? Every airport I have ever been to operates 24/7. You shouldn't have moved there.

I drive by this place every day so I'm really getting a kick out of this. It really puts your day to day worries and your crappy job issues in perspective when you're stuck in traffic behind a truckload of live pigs!

As for 'trendy', not exactly, but it's next to the East Market gallery district, and it isn't going to get much more upscale with the hog rendering plant in the middle of the place.

lelio: But in Butchertown, many residents say they might be better off without the slaughterhouse and instead attract new jobs like those associated with the "next Googles and Microsofts," Mr. Salomon say

Yep, the next Google or MSFT is going to setup shop in Kentucky.


I need to let my city councilman know now is the time to start wooing a particular hog plant. My city would kill for a place hiring 1,100 people.

ne2d: No. Nuisance is nuisance. It doesn't matter that there was a period of time when the nuisance you created did not affect anyone.


Yes but doesn't their action imply some sort of assumption or consent since the activity was established and well known.

Kuroshin: Raceway operates for decades without incident because it was zoned and placed far outside the residential areas. Urban sprawl brings residential zones into the industrial outskirts. Idiot Californians move to the area without doing any sort of research into the local area. Now the raceway is a "nuisance" that has had the city council breathing down its neck, trying to shut it down.

People move, businesses move or get pushed out, and etc. Neighborhoods change. The west side of Manhattan used to be meatpacking plants and farms. The meat they pack now is of a more tubular, private sort and the only farms there are community gardens. Call it progress or a nuisance, but this crap ain't exactly new, nor was it invented by "idiot Californians".

ne2d: Kuroshin: Same issue as with PiR.

Raceway operates for decades without incident because it was zoned and placed far outside the residential areas. Urban sprawl brings residential zones into the industrial outskirts. Idiot Californians move to the area without doing any sort of research into the local area. Now the raceway is a "nuisance" that has had the city council breathing down its neck, trying to shut it down.

You can't make a hog plant smell pretty and you can't make a raceway quiet. Some people need to be taken out back and beaten until they realize that they are not the center of the universe, and that they are the ones who chose to live near these places.

/Won't live near a raceway, hog plant, or airport
//Because I don't like the noise and smells!

No. Nuisance is nuisance. It doesn't matter that there was a period of time when the nuisance you created did not affect anyone.

Sounds great:

1. Buy cheap land near "nuisance"
2. biatch about "nuisance"
3. After "nuisance" is removed sell land at higher price!!
4. Profit
5. Teach monkeys to sneak into people's houses, crawl under the sheets, and fart.
6. Offer sbd ninja monkey farts for a hefty fee.

doublesecretprobation: pandabear: Anyone want to bet that the owners of these trendy boutiques also enjoy a nice panko-crusted double-thick pork chop on a bed of garlic mashed potatoes with a white wine and apricot reduction, but have never butchered a hog?

um, do you come from somehwere where it's common for people to have done such things?

Somebody has to. His point is that the meat didn't just magically appear on the grocery store shelf-somebody has to step forward and do the stinky, dirty, bloody work of chopping up the animal. Moving in next to that person then complaining that it's disgusting is stupid.

For that matter, I'll bet they never harvested garlic (like garlic? Bet you won't after lugging five-gallon buckets of it from the field line to the tractor pulling the three-feet-on-a-side bulk crates), or pressed wine...

Well since no one has pointed it out yet, I guess I will:

The JBS plant processes about 10,000 hogs a day, six days a week, into fresh pork that is turned into bacons, hams and sausage elsewhere.

I love ham and sausage as much as the next guy, but don't mess with my bacon supply, you yuppie pricks.



Mmmmm....bacon...

doublesecretprobation: um, do you come from somehwere where it's common for people to have done such things?

I grew up in downstate Illinois, I guess it's pretty common. And a pig isn't all that different from a deer or elk.

Last pig I butchered was one my nieces won in greased pig contest at a county fair, about two years ago--so you can deduce that some people in my family know how to do it, and some don't, but my grandfather gave up farming while my brother was still small.

/You'll need a .38, a skinning knife, a butcher's knife, a singletree, a sausage grinder, sausage skin, and some rope. It isn't rocket science.

If I were a nearby mayor of another town, I'd invite the plant to relocate and grant them a 300 year non-revocable zoning permit.

That smell? It is the smell of jobs and tax revenue.

Ms. Noel occasionally shoos plant workers on break out of her store, saying, "You can't come in here bloody."

Yes, drive away hungry, paying customers because you don't like how they look. Wonderful business model.

And "many residents say they might be better off without the slaughterhouse and instead attract new jobs like those associated with the "next Googles and Microsofts,""
sounds a lot like vaporware to me. If I lived in the area I'd take the existing $47 million payroll, STFU, and enjoy me some fresh bacon.

spacechicken170am:
4. Profit
5. Teach monkeys to sneak into people's houses, crawl under the sheets, and fart.
6. Offer sbd ninja monkey farts for a hefty fee.

Whilst I admire your tenacity most of us would just stop at "profit."

ne2d: Kuroshin: Same issue as with PiR.

Raceway operates for decades without incident because it was zoned and placed far outside the residential areas. Urban sprawl brings residential zones into the industrial outskirts. Idiot Californians move to the area without doing any sort of research into the local area. Now the raceway is a "nuisance" that has had the city council breathing down its neck, trying to shut it down.

You can't make a hog plant smell pretty and you can't make a raceway quiet. Some people need to be taken out back and beaten until they realize that they are not the center of the universe, and that they are the ones who chose to live near these places.

/Won't live near a raceway, hog plant, or airport
//Because I don't like the noise and smells!

No. Nuisance is nuisance. It doesn't matter that there was a period of time when the nuisance you created did not affect anyone.

Check out Spur Industries v. Del E. Webb Development, Arizona Supreme Court 1972

Clarence Potter: Count me as surprised that Louisville has trendy neighborhoods.

I was just thinking I had gotten through quite a few posts before someone made an expected an idiotic comment like this. (looks at profile). Richmond sucks, it's all hicks and criminals.

rob.d: If I were a nearby mayor of another town, I'd invite the plant to relocate and grant them a 300 year non-revocable zoning permit.

That smell? It is the smell of jobs and tax revenue.

Which is, I bet, why this plant will get moved out. This is all me guessing, 1,300 workers is a biatch of traffic and slaughtering all those hogs may very well put a stress on the city's infrastructure. If they feel they can swap this hog processing plant for an office park or whatever that will employ 1/2 the workers at 2X the average salary, the city would be nuts not to make that deal.

Bucklebuck: Check out Spur Industries v. Del E. Webb Development, Arizona Supreme Court 1972


Even better. Kentucky has law covering nuisance and agricultural operations.

http://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/assets/righttofarm/kentucky.pdf

ne2d: Kuroshin: Same issue as with PiR.

Raceway operates for decades without incident because it was zoned and placed far outside the residential areas. Urban sprawl brings residential zones into the industrial outskirts. Idiot Californians move to the area without doing any sort of research into the local area. Now the raceway is a "nuisance" that has had the city council breathing down its neck, trying to shut it down.

You can't make a hog plant smell pretty and you can't make a raceway quiet. Some people need to be taken out back and beaten until they realize that they are not the center of the universe, and that they are the ones who chose to live near these places.

/Won't live near a raceway, hog plant, or airport
//Because I don't like the noise and smells!

No. Nuisance is nuisance. It doesn't matter that there was a period of time when the nuisance you created did not affect anyone.


sounds like someone has an itchy hourly rate trigger.

When I was little, we found a town. It smelled like - like, butchered.

Is this the same as all the people who have moved into Colorado in the last 20 years, and then complain about the oil & gas industry "coming in" and "ruining the landscape?" You know, the same oil & gas industry that's been in Colorado since 1862 and accounts for 20% of the state's economy?

rob.d: That smell? It is the smell of jobs and tax revenue.

And pigsh*t

progmac: Clarence Potter: Count me as surprised that Louisville has trendy neighborhoods.

I was just thinking I had gotten through quite a few posts before someone made an expected an idiotic comment like this. (looks at profile). Richmond sucks, it's all hicks and criminals.

Your reading skills suck, and your sarcasm meter is broken. I've been forced to get to Louisville on a biennial basis for the last 25 years. I actually remember what "downtown" was like before Humana moved in the pink marble.

doublesecretprobation: pandabear: Anyone want to bet that the owners of these trendy boutiques also enjoy a nice panko-crusted double-thick pork chop on a bed of garlic mashed potatoes with a white wine and apricot reduction, but have never butchered a hog?

um, do you come from somehwere where it's common for people to have done such things?

Just got in from field dressing, then butchering two deer. Mmmmm...venison!

Clarence Potter: Which is, I bet, why this plant will get moved out. This is all me guessing, 1,300 workers is a biatch of traffic and slaughtering all those hogs may very well put a stress on the city's infrastructure. If they feel they can swap this hog processing plant for an office park or whatever that will employ 1/2 the workers at 2X the average salary, the city would be nuts not to make that deal.


What offices for what industry? If attracting new jobs, the question is what industries are already established in the Louisville area and what companies are looking to establish a presence in the region that have yet to do so. Companies like collocating near peers or related industries. Companies are also fairly strategic about their locations, so how Louisville fits in with nearby cities needs to be considered.

If we're talking about new firms or startups, then this is insanity. Venture capital and credit lines are anemic if that. It'll be years before that kind of capital is available for developing new businesses in a tertiary city like Louisville.

The Angry Hand of God: MightyPez: Gig103: *SLAP*

It was there first. If you didn't notice the 'farm fresh' smell, it's your own damn fault.

I hate these people, and the people who buy near an airport and then complain about airplane noise.

I've lived near an airport, and I have to say there are the whiners and then there are legitimate gripes.

Years ago I lived near the Anoka county airport in MN (a municapal airport that has mostly single engines, but sometimes takes on private jets.) One of the people that flew out of there had a huge collection of WW2 planes. Very loud, but he only flew them during the day and always maintained higher altitudes. No problems there.

But then some nights we would have assholes in Lear jets buzzing the neighborhood at 3am. It felt like the house was literally shaking apart. That was a problem.

Nothing sounds legitimate about that argument. Did the airport promise you it wouldn't operate during late night hours? Every airport I have ever been to operates 24/7. You shouldn't have moved there.

This airport operates 27/7 as well, but there are restrictions in place for approaching altitude of planes and limited flight paths during certain hours. We had Lear jets coming in during the day as well, but they were never as low as the few times some pilots came in at night.

We called and about it and the airport admitted it was a problem.

This sort of thing didn't happen all the time and we rarely complained. But sometimes pilots are dumbasses.

I've lived near an airport and next to a railroad track, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Clarence Potter: rob.d: If I were a nearby mayor of another town, I'd invite the plant to relocate and grant them a 300 year non-revocable zoning permit.

That smell? It is the smell of jobs and tax revenue.

Which is, I bet, why this plant will get moved out. This is all me guessing, 1,300 workers is a biatch of traffic and slaughtering all those hogs may very well put a stress on the city's infrastructure. If they feel they can swap this hog processing plant for an office park or whatever that will employ 1/2 the workers at 2X the average salary, the city would be nuts not to make that deal.

Never happen. Oh, sure you will get all kinds of promises to "redevelop" this land, but once you loose those 1300 jobs they will never come back.

If I was the owner I'd shut the farking place down ASAP, sell everything and invest in something else far from these douche bags.

Yet the WSJ has no problem with Anglos deciding that Spanish can't be spoken at workplaces in Texas, AZ, FL, CA.... etc.

Slaves2Darkness: Never happen. Oh, sure you will get all kinds of promises to "redevelop" this land, but once you loose those 1300 jobs they will never come back.

If I was the owner I'd shut the farking place down ASAP, sell everything and invest in something else far from these douche bags.


There would probably need to be a significant amount of environmental remediation before the site could be redeveloped. Given the lack of developers, the absence of venture capital, the shaky nature of municipal finances, and the lack of Federal aid I think locals have lost their goddamn minds. A decaying industrial site in need of demolition and remediation is much worse than an operating one in terms of property value impact.

There isn't anything good about butchertown. I have no idea why people want to live there. It looks barren and industrial.

stevetherobot: I've lived near an airport and next to a railroad track, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

I live near an airport and next to a railroad track. So I'm getting a kick out of your reply.