Uh, because they just beat the snot out of highly ranked teams two weeks in a row?

Just ONCE can we link to a graph that shows everyone and their records and not a freaking article about the poll results.

Oh good, USC is still ranked. whew

Meh, after about the top 6, there's no real great teams. I still want a playoff.

TCU really benefited from that big win over Utah. oh wait they could've played a 1AA school and gotten the same result.

Why the hell is USC still in the top 25? What a joke.

So instead of linking to the top 25, subby links to an article ABOUT said ranking, despite the fact that it isn't in the article?

Gwendolyn: Just ONCE can we link to a graph that shows everyone and their records and not a freaking article about the poll results.

Link (new window)

/go GT

Gwendolyn: Just ONCE can we link to a graph that shows everyone and their records and not a freaking article about the poll results.

That_Dude: So instead of linking to the top 25, subby links to an article ABOUT said ranking, despite the fact that it isn't in the article?

I think its because of the whole, can't link to the same article filter Fark has. Now, there is an easy way to get around it, but I guess not many people (or not enough) know it (putting a ? at the end and then random letters) that they link to new articles on the rankings.

Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm

/TCU should be top 3

That_Dude: So instead of linking to the top 25, subby links to an article ABOUT said ranking, despite the fact that it isn't in the article?

here it is:
1. Tim Tebow
2. Florida
3. Florida
4. Florida
5. Florida
6. Florida
7. Florida
8. Florida
9. Florida
10. Alabama
11. LSU
12. Ole Miss
13. Auburn
14. Arkansas
15. Tennessee
16. South Carolina
17. Florida's super hard schedule
18. Notre Dame
19. USC
20. Florida's backup QB
21. Florida's HB
22. Florida's WR
23. Florida's practice squad team
24. Florida's mascot
25. Florida's Equipment Manager

So, quick question -- how many times does Miami have to lose to unranked teams before they're finally punted from the 25?

Miami's been traditionally overrated since the 80s, but this is getting pretty close to Notre Dame territory. I wonder what the rea$on could be?

falcon176: That_Dude: So instead of linking to the top 25, subby links to an article ABOUT said ranking, despite the fact that it isn't in the article?

here it is:
1a. Tim Tebow
1b. Tim Tebow
1c. Tim Tebow
2. Florida
3. Florida
4. Florida
5. Florida
6. Florida
7. Florida
8. Florida
9. Florida
10. Alabama
11. LSU
12. Ole Miss
13. Auburn
14. Arkansas
15. Tennessee
16. South Carolina
17. Florida's super hard schedule
18. Notre Dame
19. USC
20. Florida's backup QB
21. Florida's HB
22. Florida's WR
23. Florida's practice squad team
24. Florida's mascot
25. Florida's Equipment Manager

There are three forms of Tim Tebow - The Passer, The Runner and The Holy Crap.

Apparently Pete Carroll (who has never, ever, run up the score on anyone) is upset with Harbaugh for going for the two point conversion late in the game.
Harbaugh should go with the Woody Hayes response.
When asked why he went for two against Michigan late in a blow out, Woody replied "Because I can't go for three."

falcon176: That_Dude: So instead of linking to the top 25, subby links to an article ABOUT said ranking, despite the fact that it isn't in the article?

here it is:
1. Tim Tebow
2. Florida
3. Florida
4. Florida
5. Florida
6. Florida
7. Florida
8. Florida
9. Florida
10. Alabama
11. LSU
12. Ole Miss
13. Auburn
14. Arkansas
15. Tennessee
16. South Carolina
17. Florida's super hard schedule
18. Notre Dame
19. USC
20. Florida's backup QB
21. Florida's HB
22. Florida's WR
23. Florida's practice squad team
24. Florida's mascot
25. Florida's Equipment Manager

HOW COULD THEY NOT PUT FLORIDA'S WATERBOY UP THERE? THEY GET THIRSTY DAMN IT!!

TheKingOfMexico: So, quick question -- how many times does Miami have to lose to unranked teams before they're finally punted from the 25?

Miami's been traditionally overrated since the 80s, but this is getting pretty close to Notre Dame territory. I wonder what the rea$on could be?

Both Clemson and VT are still ranked at this time. UNC is currently 25/26 in the polls. Your bias... it's showing.

Hell yes! Another thread where small conference school fans and bitter beaten opponents of the Gators can come air their grievances about not being crowned world champs after knocking off the mighty Oregon, Utah, and/or crap USC

If USC wins their last two games, they'll be in the top 5.

punta_gorda_allstar: Hell yes! Another thread where small conference school fans and bitter beaten opponents of the Gators can come air their grievances about not being crowned world champs after knocking off the mighty Oregon, Utah, and/or crap USC

Hey, some of us prefer to watch teams that win fairly as opposed to teams that need the ref's help to defeat unranked Arkansas. But seriously, the system is flawed but it does look like the winner of the SEC championship game will probably win the national championship and they'll deserve it. This does not mean that the SEC is the best conference as a whole, but Alabama will deserve its title.

punta_gorda_allstar: Hell yes! Another thread where small conference school fans and bitter beaten opponents of the Gators can come air their grievances about not being crowned world champs after knocking off the mighty Oregon, Utah, and/or crap USC

No, this is the thread where the gator fans act like they've played somebody.

/one game against a ranked team
//Troy, FIU and Charleston Southern

That_Dude: Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.


To be fair, Sagarin also says that once you consider the actual games instead of just who won (which he's not allowed to do in his official BCS rankings), the top 4 teams in the country are #1 Texas, #2 Alabama, #3 Florida, #4 TCU.

^{To be even more fair, that ranking also has Virginia Tech #5, so take it with a few billion grains of salt.}

Rutgers #25 in the AP. Great decade for them, considering where they started.

kevinatilusa: That_Dude: Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.


To be fair, Sagarin also says that once you consider the actual games instead of just who won (which he's not allowed to do in his official BCS rankings), the top 4 teams in the country are #1 Texas, #2 Alabama, #3 Florida, #4 TCU.

To be even more fair, that ranking also has Virginia Tech #5, so take it with a few billion grains of salt.

VT is not top 5 material but they are better than their ranking indicates. Two of their losses were against top 10 teams. One of those losses was by 5 points on the road and the other was against Alabama, a team that has a decent shot at winning the National Championship. They are probably better than some of the teams that have a shot at an at-large bid (for example, they could probably beat the crap out of Penn State).

On another note, my post did imply that TCU was a better team than Texas but that isn't probably true. I was unfair. However, it is funny to me that all those people who whine about the strength of schedule of the mid-major teams like to ignore that a team with a weak schedule in a big 6 conference can succeed while the same isn't true for a mid major. Also, it looks like I enjoy moving the goalposts, as that is what this argument has come down to.

That_Dude: kevinatilusa: That_Dude: Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.


To be fair, Sagarin also says that once you consider the actual games instead of just who won (which he's not allowed to do in his official BCS rankings), the top 4 teams in the country are #1 Texas, #2 Alabama, #3 Florida, #4 TCU.

To be even more fair, that ranking also has Virginia Tech #5, so take it with a few billion grains of salt.

VT is not top 5 material but they are better than their ranking indicates. Two of their losses were against top 10 teams. One of those losses was by 5 points on the road and the other was against Alabama, a team that has a decent shot at winning the National Championship. They are probably better than some of the teams that have a shot at an at-large bid (for example, they could probably beat the crap out of Penn State).

On another note, my post did imply that TCU was a better team than Texas but that isn't probably true. I was unfair. However, it is funny to me that all those people who whine about the strength of schedule of the mid-major teams like to ignore that a team with a weak schedule in a big 6 conference can succeed while the same isn't true for a mid major. Also, it looks like I enjoy moving the goalposts, as that is what this argument has come down to.

that's because people don't actually watch or pay attention to teams they criticize, they just talk out of their ass and assume they're right.
last year Utah's SOS was better than Bama's.

falcon176: That_Dude: So instead of linking to the top 25, subby links to an article ABOUT said ranking, despite the fact that it isn't in the article?

here it is:
1. Tim Tebow
2. Florida
3. Florida
4. Florida
5. Florida
6. Florida
7. Florida
8. Florida
9. Florida
10. Alabama
11. LSU
12. Ole Miss
13. Auburn
14. Arkansas
15. Tennessee
16. South Carolina
17. Florida's super hard schedule
18. Notre Dame
19. USC
20. Florida's backup QB
21. Florida's HB
22. Florida's WR
23. Florida's practice squad team
24. Florida's mascot
25. Florida's Equipment Manager

I can live with this since you have Arkansas ranked.

kevinatilusa: That_Dude: Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.


To be fair, Sagarin also says that once you consider the actual games instead of just who won (which he's not allowed to do in his official BCS rankings), the top 4 teams in the country are #1 Texas, #2 Alabama, #3 Florida, #4 TCU.

To be even more fair, that ranking also has Virginia Tech #5, so take it with a few billion grains of salt.

While you've got the salt handy for computerized standings, here are my summary of my week 11 predictions (new window), my Top 25 with commentary (new window), and my full rankings (new window).

That_Dude: They are probably better than some of the teams that have a shot at an at-large bid (for example, they could probably beat the crap out of Penn State).

Let me clarify: I do not think Penn State deserves a BCS bid. They are a 9-2 team that lost to the two good teams they have played and the best team they have beaten lost to Syracuse. They suck and they will get killed in any BCS bowl they play. However, they might still get in due to the system sucking and because of their large fanbase. If there ever was a year to go back to two at large BCS slots, it would be this one.

ffish: kevinatilusa: That_Dude: Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.


To be fair, Sagarin also says that once you consider the actual games instead of just who won (which he's not allowed to do in his official BCS rankings), the top 4 teams in the country are #1 Texas, #2 Alabama, #3 Florida, #4 TCU.

To be even more fair, that ranking also has Virginia Tech #5, so take it with a few billion grains of salt.

While you've got the salt handy for computerized standings, here are my summary of my week 11 predictions (new window), my Top 25 with commentary (new window), and my full rankings (new window).

I like your rankings. They have the Buckeyes unreasonably high.

why is stanford ranked? because if they win out, they'll go a bcs bowl

they need to get them up in the rankings if they want viewers...

lolmadillo: why is stanford ranked? because if they win out, they'll go a bcs bowl

they need to get them up in the rankings if they want viewers...

Stanford deserves to be in the top 25. They just beat up on two top 25 teams in a row and they have a shot at winning what is arguably the best conference in college football at the moment. Of course, despite all this, they still lost to Wake Forest for some reason.

What? No Minnesota? They had that hard fought win over South Dakota Sate, those overachieving Jackrabbits. Don't I-AA wins count for anything anymore?

/sarcasm
//Hopes Wisconsin gets into a decent bowl
//still not an Ohio State fan

Mentat: Oh good, USC is still ranked. whew

this

Well Ohio State moved up a few spots. We're going to the Rose Bowl against either Stanford, Oregon, or USC and USC's football program is moving in the same direction as Will Ferrell's career.

/Friends going to the Rose Bowl.
//Not going. :(

Wee Todd: If USC wins their last two games, they'll be in the top 5.

That is unlikely, but, I would wager that if USC wins their last two games, they get into the Top 14, and then are still eligible to be picked for a BCS game.

TCU's big win last night? Due to MWC's bizarre NHL-like whoreout TV deal, I couldn't see it on television. Difficulty: I live in farking Fort Worth...so I'm pretty sure that, nationally, the MWC buried their best game of the year.

falcon176: TCU really benefited from that big win over Utah. oh wait they could've played a 1AA school and gotten the same result.

Texas State was earlier.

ffish: kevinatilusa: That_Dude: Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.


To be fair, Sagarin also says that once you consider the actual games instead of just who won (which he's not allowed to do in his official BCS rankings), the top 4 teams in the country are #1 Texas, #2 Alabama, #3 Florida, #4 TCU.

To be even more fair, that ranking also has Virginia Tech #5, so take it with a few billion grains of salt.

While you've got the salt handy for computerized standings, here are my summary of my week 11 predictions (new window), my Top 25 with commentary (new window), and my full rankings (new window).

I'm a bit confused by your rankings. I made sure to read your blog posts explaining how you came up with your system but I still don't see how GT is ranked 22?

Funk Brothers: Well Ohio State moved up a few spots. We're going to the Rose Bowl against either Stanford, Oregon, or USC and USC's football program is moving in the same direction as Will Ferrell's career.

/Friends going to the Rose Bowl.
//Not going. :(

Well, actually it's between Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, and Arizona. USC's Rose Bowl chance is slim to none at this point. Stanford only holds a tiebreaker over Oregon, and Oregon is still in the drivers seat. What will be awesome is the conference is pretty much going to be decided on the final weekend of the season with Oregon and Oregon State on ESPN on Thursday(12/3) with the possibility of Arizona at USC on Saturday(12/5) deciding it if Arizona beats Oregon this weekend. Stanford finishes conference play early(this weekend) and needs Oregon, Oregon State, and Arizona to all lose once(one is guaranteed this weekend) and Stanford still has to beat Cal.

Eubenowitz: I'm a bit confused by your rankings. I made sure to read your blog posts explaining how you came up with your system but I still don't see how GT is ranked 22?

It's based on offensive and defensive statistics rather than win-loss.

Eubenowitz: ffish: kevinatilusa: That_Dude: Fun fact: according to Sagarin, TCU has a tougher schedule than Texas.

To be fair, Sagarin also says that once you consider the actual games instead of just who won (which he's not allowed to do in his official BCS rankings), the top 4 teams in the country are #1 Texas, #2 Alabama, #3 Florida, #4 TCU.

To be even more fair, that ranking also has Virginia Tech #5, so take it with a few billion grains of salt.

While you've got the salt handy for computerized standings, here are my summary of my week 11 predictions (new window), my Top 25 with commentary (new window), and my full rankings (new window).

I'm a bit confused by your rankings. I made sure to read your blog posts explaining how you came up with your system but I still don't see how GT is ranked 22?

GT has an amazing offense -- it's the third-most efficient in the country after Texas and Florida -- but their defense is about the same quality as Baylor's. If Tech could knuckle down on D by even 3 points per game (about 2 per 100 possessions) they'd jump 10 spots. If they could improve by about 4 points per 100 possessions they'd be top 10. With the exception of UVa and Duke, they've let their opponents score about 30 per game. That's why they're still 22nd.

Came for the USC hate, leaving pleased. I still don't understand why Mark May is still s*cking them off.

/gt bsce '08
//we are going to have lots of oranges come december 5

bhcompy: and Stanford still has to beat Cal.

They also still have an opportunity to kick ND in the nads, too. If they do that, they will be my favoritist left-coast team evar!!

awww yeah, Wisconsin at 14

Yeah, let's live in delusional world where we have 4 Big 10 teams in the top 15. Cupcakes served their purpose, I guess.

bhcompy: Funk Brothers: Well Ohio State moved up a few spots. We're going to the Rose Bowl against either Stanford, Oregon, or USC and USC's football program is moving in the same direction as Will Ferrell's career.

/Friends going to the Rose Bowl.
//Not going. :(

Well, actually it's between Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, and Arizona. USC's Rose Bowl chance is slim to none at this point. Stanford only holds a tiebreaker over Oregon, and Oregon is still in the drivers seat. What will be awesome is the conference is pretty much going to be decided on the final weekend of the season with Oregon and Oregon State on ESPN on Thursday(12/3) with the possibility of Arizona at USC on Saturday(12/5) deciding it if Arizona beats Oregon this weekend. Stanford finishes conference play early(this weekend) and needs Oregon, Oregon State, and Arizona to all lose once(one is guaranteed this weekend) and Stanford still has to beat Cal.

Stanford probably can't win the Pac10 - like you said, all 3 would need to lose once, but the only way that happens is if Arizona beats Oregon and then loses (if Oregon wins, they'd have to lose to Oregon State, but even then Oregon State would win the Pac-10 barring a loss to a horrific Wazzu team)

ffish:

GT has an amazing offense -- it's the third-most efficient in the country after Texas and Florida -- but their defense is about the same quality as Baylor's. If Tech could knuckle down on D by even 3 points per game (about 2 per 100 possessions) they'd jump 10 spots. If they could improve by about 4 points per 100 possessions they'd be top 10. With the exception of UVa and Duke, they've let their opponents score about 30 per game. That's why they're still 22nd.

Actually, Tech has allowed almost a full touchdown in def. ppg less than you're suggesting - 23.5 ppg as compared to 30. Hell, if you take out the outliers then Tech is giving up just over 21 ppg and scoring just over 35.

And Tech is listed 47th in total defense on the NCAA website whereas Baylor is listed as 86th.

I'm not disputing the accuracy of your system, I'm just trying to understand how this applies to a run-heavy, clock control team like GA Tech.

falcon176: That_Dude: So instead of linking to the top 25, subby links to an article ABOUT said ranking, despite the fact that it isn't in the article?

here it is:
1. Tim Tebow
2. Florida
3. Florida
4. Florida
5. Florida
6. Florida
7. Florida
8. Florida
9. Florida
10. Alabama
11. LSU
12. Ole Miss
13. Auburn
14. Arkansas
15. Tennessee
16. South Carolina
17. Florida's super hard schedule
18. Notre Dame
19. USC
20. Florida's backup QB
21. Florida's HB
22. Florida's WR
23. Florida's practice squad team
24. Florida's mascot
25. Florida's Equipment Manager

Heh heh heh.

Please don't let a 2nd Big-10 team into a BCS game. That gives the conference a big disadvantage in the rest of the bowl games since everyone gets bumped up a slot.

And let's face it - the Buckeyes got beat at home by the 3rd-best Pac-10 team; how are they going to do against the #1 Pac-10 team in the Rose Bowl? Especially if that team is Oregon (who beat Purdue, who beat the Bucks)? I'm thinking that the Big-10's reputation is going to take another hit this bowl season.

devilsnight: by the 3rd-best Pac-10 team

right now they're 5th in the conference.