In before the teacher haters

Okay class, today's word is spelled D U M B A S S. Who can use it in a sentence? Yes, officer?

That is one well paid idiot.

I must move to one of these places where teachers max out at 95k per year. What an idiot she is.

The dissonance is caused by unwarranted expectations that people behave rationally. Mostly, they don't. This applies to stupid people, and it also applies to smart people. Smarter people, on average, just come up with more sophisticated explanations for why they do the things they do.

We don't have a culture that teaches analytical thinking, careful decision-making, or personal responsibility. We could, but we don't.

See, this is what happens when you allow the plebes to unionize. First they want some totally crazy thing like less than a 7-day work-week and before you know it they're stealing. This is what socialism does to people.

Wealth should be concentrated in the hands of people who know how to deal with it. People like traitors...whoops, meant traders...at Goldman, and hedge fund managers.

"And Christes people proudly curse
With brode bokes, and braying bell;
To putte pennyes in her purse
They wol sell both heven and hel."

- 'The Ploughman's Tale'

teacher hater here......unfortunatly they have the union as well as the always popular "won't someone think of the children" thing.
down here in (the south) teachers can retire, draw their pension, and then go right back to work and start towards another pension. then, they can retire again, start drawing a second pension, and then,yes,wait for it,go back to work and start towards a third pension. gotta love the unions.

#2: "And Christes people proudly curse
With brode bokes, and braying bell;
To putte pennyes in her purse
They wol sell both heven and hel."

- 'The Ploughman's Tale'

"But if you ask for a raise
It's no surprise
They're givin' none away."

- 'Pink Floyd'

Some people will never have enough money. I've seen an RN selling plasma.

I knew Redding was an expensive town, but wow.

cleptomaniac! It has no boundries on race, color, creed, religion, sexual orientation, annual salary or any other being. Whaddashame!

irrealis: I must move to one of these places where teachers max out at 95k per year. What an idiot she is.

You sure about that? don't forget, all these houses are probably going for two thirds what they used to.

After being caught on tape:
FTFA: Dinnean agreed to talk to police and admitted to taking money from others at the school, but she planned on returning the money, the affidavit states

It takes a great actress that can finish that sentence with a straight face.

WOW!!!

$95 grand a year for a middle school teacher....I am speechless.

My GF is a high-school teacher in NS, Canada and only makes about $32,000 a year.(and that is with doing every bit of extra wwork she can get.)

Shakes his head and leaves in discust.

Randomaxe:
We don't have a culture that teaches analytical thinking, careful decision-making, or personal responsibility. We could, but we don't.

Yes, we know that we could because there are so many successful examples out there where things like this never happen.

RandomAxe: The dissonance is caused by unwarranted expectations that people behave rationally. Mostly, they don't. This applies to stupid people, and it also applies to smart people. Smarter people, on average, just come up with more sophisticated explanations for why they do the things they do.

We don't have a culture that teaches analytical thinking, careful decision-making, or personal responsibility. We could, but we don't.


Hey, if it's not on the standardized test we don't teach it anymore.

My GF is a high-school teacher in NS, Canada and only makes about $32,000 a year.(and that is with doing every bit of extra wwork she can get.)

Shakes his head and leaves in discust.

That's probably what a Canadian education is worth.

irrealis: I must move to one of these places where teachers max out at 95k per year. What an idiot she is.

This. The school my wife works in currently has a teacher's contract that maxes tenured teachers at under $67k, and that's with 30 years of service and a Master's. The most absurd part, though, is that's nearly $30k less than the lowest paid administrator started at, and he's only in his early 40s and has a bachelor's.

Still, teacher pay is only a small part of the problem with the profession. My wife quit teaching not because of the pay, but because teachers simply get no respect. I think the final straw was probably when one particularly boorish helicopter mom called in screaming and yelling that she was going to sue the school because her precious little twatflake had failed the semester. Kid had turned in almost NOTHING, and this dipshiat was demanding that her brat be allowed to turn in everything on the day grades were due. Fortunately, the vice principal told her to shove it up her ass this time, but that was probably what finally killed the last of her enthusiasm for the work.

farkinawesome: teacher hater here

It's always nice when morons are kind enough to self-identify so that more intelligent people can ignore them from the start.

irrealis: I must move to one of these places where teachers max out at 95k per year. What an idiot she is.

The superintendant here makes 600k per year

Principal 350k

82 year old kindergarden teacher 133k

my school taxes are now more than my mortgage.

This is what the union is for, to protect the bottom 2%

OhioKnight: there are so many successful examples out there where things like this never happen.

I didn't say things like this would never happen, and I didn't say any other culture was perfect. I don't know who you're arguing with, but it ain't me.

...and she's been sending the green paper to Soupy Sales all these years...

Sure, let's cancel NASA's budget to instead throw the money down this black hole of corruption and greed.

and the product of their work, the graduated students are like some of the dumbest in the world. Let's throw more taxpayers money at it, for more raises, thus saving jobs and improving the quality of schooling, as if.

Splinshints: irrealis: I must move to one of these places where teachers max out at 95k per year. What an idiot she is.

This. The school my wife works in currently has a teacher's contract that maxes tenured teachers at under $67k, and that's with 30 years of service and a Master's. The most absurd part, though, is that's nearly $30k less than the lowest paid administrator started at, and he's only in his early 40s and has a bachelor's.
.

Our society is so farked up in this regard- little correlation between the importance of many jobs, and the pay they offer. Education the young is one of the most important jobs out there.

/Mom's a retired teacher
//and happy to be retired

RandomAxe: The dissonance is caused by unwarranted expectations that people behave rationally. Mostly, they don't. This applies to stupid people, and it also applies to smart people. Smarter people, on average, just come up with more sophisticated explanations for why they do the things they do.

We don't have a culture that teaches analytical thinking, careful decision-making, or personal responsibility. We could, but we don't.

What the fark are you talking about. The lady had a corrupt habit, and it made it to Fark because of teacher wages in Connecticut. Whooptidoop. Bring on the next cop-hate thread.

dsquid:

now, it is the fact i worked from 6am yesterday morning till 730am this morning.
i work in a fish plant and alot of people are out sick. Those of us that can work are doing mad hours.

so....yes, 25 1/2 hours working balls out, i think i can use that as an excuse to mis-spell a few words.

smurfnazi:

so....yes, 25 1/2 hours working balls out, i think i can use that as an excuse to mis-spell a few words.

No, it would be an excuse to go to bed. And tuck your balls in, no one wants to see that.

smurfnazi: i work in a fish plant and alot of people are out sick. Those of us that can work are doing mad hours.
so....yes, 25 1/2 hours working balls out

Aw man, now the fish smell like balls. That's nasty.

dionada: Some people will never have enough money. I've seen an RN selling plasma.

Must ask. Her own, or someone else's?

90k? That doesn't even make her middle class.

Again I have a difficult time understanding the perspective. Where I live, schools are paid for out of property taxes which are so high they'll often double whatever you're paying on your mortgage. So what does this rip-off buy you? The minimum starting pay for a full-time teacher this year is 48k and change. Now that may not be much in some places, but here, that is solid income and probably double the average individual income level. So why does this bother me?

I do take issue with a first grade teacher earning the same as someone teaching honors physics to high school students (thus partially removing talent as a motivating factor), but primarily because that salary is based on a work year that is easily 8-10 weeks shorter than the rest of us. During the guaranteed 2.5 months of yearly vacation, teachers here can volunteer to teach summer school to the tune of an extra $20/hour. Then I hear teachers complaining that "teachers have to work overtime" grading papers, coming up with lesson plans, etc., as though the rest of us with a salary don't work overtime as a matter of course, but with a fraction of the vacation. In terms of hourly pay for hours worked, that 48k actually comes out to around $30/hour, not counting the extra $20/hour for summer school. Teachers have special state-mandated medical coverages, they can draw pensions, tenure and union rules make removing low-performing staff almost impossible, and the list goes on.

The entire concept that teachers should be paid highly to attract the top talent falls apart when you throw the unionized nature of teaching into the mix. It works no better than paying executives millions of dollars in salary, again to supposedly attract top talent, or why there were (and may still be) airline baggage handlers out there pulling $50+/hour in holiday pay.

I don't hate teachers, I'm just sick of hearing that they are chronically under-rewarded, when in fact their positions are at least as well compensated, generally more secure, and often have better benefits than the vast majority of jobs out there.

Flame on.

Interesting...

Teacher Salaries: In Redding, the average first-year teacher salary for the 2006-07 school year is $41,849. At Joel Barlow High School, the starting pay is $45,036. By state law, all Connecticut public school teachers must have a master's degree to teach beyond 10 years.

The highest salary a Redding teacher can earn is $85,419 with 16 or more years of teaching experience and 30 credit hours beyond a master's degree. In Region 9, the highest salary a teacher can earn is $95,726 with 16 years or more of teaching experience and a Ph.D. (new window)

Buckshot: Again I have a difficult time understanding the perspective. Where I live, schools are paid for out of property taxes which are so high they'll often double whatever you're paying on your mortgage. So what does this rip-off buy you? The minimum starting pay for a full-time teacher this year is 48k and change. Now that may not be much in some places, but here, that is solid income and probably double the average individual income level. So why does this bother me?

I do take issue with a first grade teacher earning the same as someone teaching honors physics to high school students (thus partially removing talent as a motivating factor), but primarily because that salary is based on a work year that is easily 8-10 weeks shorter than the rest of us. During the guaranteed 2.5 months of yearly vacation, teachers here can volunteer to teach summer school to the tune of an extra $20/hour. Then I hear teachers complaining that "teachers have to work overtime" grading papers, coming up with lesson plans, etc., as though the rest of us with a salary don't work overtime as a matter of course, but with a fraction of the vacation. In terms of hourly pay for hours worked, that 48k actually comes out to around $30/hour, not counting the extra $20/hour for summer school. Teachers have special state-mandated medical coverages, they can draw pensions, tenure and union rules make removing low-performing staff almost impossible, and the list goes on.

The entire concept that teachers should be paid highly to attract the top talent falls apart when you throw the unionized nature of teaching into the mix. It works no better than paying executives millions of dollars in salary, again to supposedly attract top talent, or why there were (and may still be) airline baggage handlers out there pulling $50+/hour in holiday pay.

I don't hate teachers, I'm just sick of hearing that they are chronically under-rewarded, when in fact their positions are at least as well compensated, generally more secure, and often have better benefits than the vast majority of jobs out there.

Flame on.

I was going to post something along these lines, but you pretty much said it better than I could have.

dionada: Some people will never have enough money. I've seen an RN selling plasma.


I sell my sperm for extra cash. Doesn't pay much but tossing one off knowing that the person outside of the room waiting for your, ahem, contribution knows what you are doing is very stimulating. The last sperm catcher was very cute made it fast and easy.

at least she wasn't farking the kids, right?

Fred Quimby: irrealis: I must move to one of these places where teachers max out at 95k per year. What an idiot she is.

The superintendant here makes 600k per year

Principal 350k

82 year old kindergarden teacher 133k

my school taxes are now more than my mortgage.

I live in the hood, and our superintendent makes closer to a million dollars a year. You couldn't pay me to take that job.

/teacher

Wow. She made more than all my elementary school teachers combined. No joke, unfortunately.

Buckshot:

I do take issue with a first grade teacher earning the same as someone teaching honors physics to high school students (thus partially removing talent as a motivating factor)...

Okay, I'll bite. You don't think a first grade teacher is as important as a high school honors teacher? What a load of bunk.

Teaching kids to read and do basic math is important. Any honors teacher will tell you, they don't teach. They facilitate. When kids are at that level, they are supposed to be teaching themselves. Both are equally important.

Buckshot: Again I have a difficult time understanding the perspective. Where I live, schools are paid for out of property taxes which are so high they'll often double whatever you're paying on your mortgage. So what does this rip-off buy you? The minimum starting pay for a full-time teacher this year is 48k and change. Now that may not be much in some places, but here, that is solid income and probably double the average individual income level. So why does this bother me?

I do take issue with a first grade teacher earning the same as someone teaching honors physics to high school students (thus partially removing talent as a motivating factor), but primarily because that salary is based on a work year that is easily 8-10 weeks shorter than the rest of us. During the guaranteed 2.5 months of yearly vacation, teachers here can volunteer to teach summer school to the tune of an extra $20/hour. Then I hear teachers complaining that "teachers have to work overtime" grading papers, coming up with lesson plans, etc., as though the rest of us with a salary don't work overtime as a matter of course, but with a fraction of the vacation. In terms of hourly pay for hours worked, that 48k actually comes out to around $30/hour, not counting the extra $20/hour for summer school. Teachers have special state-mandated medical coverages, they can draw pensions, tenure and union rules make removing low-performing staff almost impossible, and the list goes on.

The entire concept that teachers should be paid highly to attract the top talent falls apart when you throw the unionized nature of teaching into the mix. It works no better than paying executives millions of dollars in salary, again to supposedly attract top talent, or why there were (and may still be) airline baggage handlers out there pulling $50+/hour in holiday pay.

I don't hate teachers, I'm just sick of hearing that they are chronically under-rewarded, when in fact their positions are at least as well compensated, generally more secure, and often have better benefits than the vast majority of jobs out there.

Flame on.

No flame here. Came for this and leaving happy.

/married to a teacher
//she agrees that most teachers are whiny butts

There are some teachers that are paid a lot of money (My mom makes probably 80k as an elementary teacher) but then my wife spent the last 3 years making 25k and she gets to work at 7am and gets home around 6:30 if she isnt coaching a sport in which case she gets home at closer to 8:30. I feel that the barriers of entry to get into teaching are too high for a lot of potentially good teacher. If I didn't make good money my wife could not afford to teach because in our town a crappy appt goes for almost 75% of her take home.

A teacher's job is much more important than most people's jobs. However, rarely do people get paid more just because their job is more important (regardless of whether or not they should get paid more).

And I agree that higher pay isn't likely to attract better talent. Frankly, there's almost no industry where this works reliably, and our education system does not approach being a 'free market' system. It probably shouldn't, as it's too specialized and is characterized by criteria too fugitive for the market to evaluate, but that's beside the point.

One thing that's worth keeping in mind is that a public school teacher's salary is mostly dependent on geography and seniority. Not their ability, or the kids' results, or anything much except what town the school is in and how long they've been teaching.

If you think the system for selecting and rewarding teachers is bad, though, it's nothing compared to how we select and reward school administrators, etc. Or how we choose curricula.

Chester the Snake:
Okay, I'll bite. You don't think a first grade teacher is as important as a high school honors teacher? What a load of bunk.

Teaching kids to read and do basic math is important. Any honors teacher will tell you, they don't teach. They facilitate. When kids are at that level, they are supposed to be teaching themselves. Both are equally important.

Yes, I don't believe they should get the same pay. A Kindergarten teacher is nothing but a glorified babysitter. 1st grade they barely teach them anything. I have big issues with the lower elementary teachers making the same as the MS and HS ones.

Basic math could be taught by anyone. It really isn't hard to teach kids to add numbers together up to 10, and to count to 20.

D-D-D-Dave: What the fark are you talking about.

You know, I was going to explain it, but I looked at it, and it's pretty self-explanatory. If you didn't understand it the first time, I think you just didn't try.

TNel: A Kindergarten teacher is nothing but a glorified babysitter. 1st grade they barely teach them anything.

If your perspective is accurate, the schools of your experience are not good schools.

dbirchall: Aw man, now the fish smell like balls. That's nasty.

Like the red light district?

Property taxes must be at life crushing levels in that town.

95K! My wife teaches third grade, been doing it for 5 years. She's around 37K a year and is stuck in a pay freeze.

/We joke about me marrying her for the "phat teacher cash."

TNel: Chester the Snake:
Okay, I'll bite. You don't think a first grade teacher is as important as a high school honors teacher? What a load of bunk.

Teaching kids to read and do basic math is important. Any honors teacher will tell you, they don't teach. They facilitate. When kids are at that level, they are supposed to be teaching themselves. Both are equally important.

Yes, I don't believe they should get the same pay. A Kindergarten teacher is nothing but a glorified babysitter. 1st grade they barely teach them anything. I have big issues with the lower elementary teachers making the same as the MS and HS ones.

Basic math could be taught by anyone. It really isn't hard to teach kids to add numbers together up to 10, and to count to 20.

Then try it. Go volunteer in an elementary classroom. Go try to teach math to kids whose parents don't see the value of an education. Go attempt to accommodate for dyslexia and seven other kinds of learning disabilities - all in the same classroom - to say nothing of disciplinary problems, emotional disturbances, and everything else. At the same time, challenge your gifted students to go beyond simple addition and subtraction.

If you think it's so easy to teach, go teach. Otherwise, realize that every job or career takes a specific set of skills and expertise, and teachers are grossly undervalued for theirs.