And yet we've lost 4 in a row and probably won't make the playoffs .... oh wait .. he means HIM.

SAVE ME BREESUS

Lumox: SAVE ME BREESUS

/checks profile

The Yellow Line now extends all the way to New Orleans? Last I heard it terminated at Huntington.

thompsonius: Lumox: SAVE ME BREESUS

/checks profile

The Yellow Line now extends all the way to New Orleans? Last I heard it terminated at Huntington.

Right, well neither 17 nor 26 are the best players in football, so I had to voice my opinion. Also, one of two stadiums I've seen a football game at was the Superdome. Here's the girlfriend repping DC in NO

FTFA: "Andy Reid is a great coach for 3 and a half quarters. In baseball, most starting pitchers do their job really well for most of the game, then need a little help to finish it out. I think you see where I'm going with this. The Eagles need a closer. A coach that they can bring in at the end of close games when they're trailing, or winning by a touchdown or less (save situations). As asinine as this sounds, tell me Eagles fans wouldn't strongly consider it."

Consider it? Are you kidding? They just broke their necks nodding violently.

Heh.

Finally, someone else picked up on the fact that the dude in Paranormal Activity only stuck around because Katie got some big ass tittays.

/also nice to see that, with that rant about Starbucks, the transition from Bill Simmons to Peter King - The Sequel is almost complete

You are not the cosmos, Bill Simmons.

Even Bill Simmons has been forced to admit that Manning is the best player in football

This has been true for the last 7 seasons, but good on Bill for finally recognizing it.

Purple Jesus is the best player in football.

Rustybumperjack: Purple Jesus is the best player in football.

bam, book it.

peachpicker: FTFA: "Andy Reid is a great coach for 3 and a half quarters. In baseball, most starting pitchers do their job really well for most of the game, then need a little help to finish it out. I think you see where I'm going with this. The Eagles need a closer. A coach that they can bring in at the end of close games when they're trailing, or winning by a touchdown or less (save situations). As asinine as this sounds, tell me Eagles fans wouldn't strongly consider it."

Consider it? Are you kidding? They just broke their necks nodding violently.

Heh.

For the love of God, can the Eagles please do this already?

Holy shiat, Gus Johnson is doing the Raiders/Chiefs game?

This is great news.

The way Gus calls turnovers is amazing, and he should have plenty of chances to showcase that on sunday.

"JaMarcus drops back to pass, he's HIT AND HE FUMBLES THE BALL! THE BALL IS LOOSE!"

Outshined_One: You are not the cosmos, Bill Simmons.

He must think he is with all the coverage Deadspin gives him though.

Lumox: thompsonius: Lumox: SAVE ME BREESUS

/checks profile

The Yellow Line now extends all the way to New Orleans? Last I heard it terminated at Huntington.

Right, well neither 17 nor 26 are the best players in football, so I had to voice my opinion. Also, one of two stadiums I've seen a football game at was the Superdome. Here's the girlfriend repping DC in NO

HA HA! You're a Redskins fan.

/Colts come to DC next year, can't wait to be obnoxious visiting team fan guy
//Gonna harass the hell outta Baltimore fans in 2 weeks.

Why Would I Read the Article: Even Bill Simmons has been forced to admit that Manning is the best player in football

This has been true for the last 7 seasons, but good on Bill for finally recognizing it.

True.

Lumox: thompsonius: Lumox: SAVE ME BREESUS

/checks profile

The Yellow Line now extends all the way to New Orleans? Last I heard it terminated at Huntington.

Right, well neither 17 nor 26 are the best players in football, so I had to voice my opinion. Also, one of two stadiums I've seen a football game at was the Superdome. Here's the girlfriend repping DC in NO



How you doin?

The best player, I'm not sure about that. The best quarterback, okay. But best player?!?!?

Peter von Nostrand: The best player, I'm not sure about that. The best quarterback, okay. But best player?!?!?

Well, the QB is worth more than every other position so...

Rustybumperjack: Purple Jesus Judas is the best player in football.

/FTFY

skinink: Dan Marino has no Super Bowl wins and I'd have to say he's probably better than Peyton.

i'm pretty sure "pre-game commentator" isn't considered a player position.

Shady_Short_Busser: Rustybumperjack: Purple Jesus Judas is the best player in football.

/FTFY

Adrian Peterson isn't really a traitor. Unless you're counting growing up in Texas and playing football for OU.

Peter von Nostrand: The best player, I'm not sure about that. The best quarterback, okay. But best player?!?!?

Name someone else then. The only player I can think of that was also the core of their team, won a Super Bowl, and kept their team a contender most years over the last decade was Ray Lewis. Players and coordinators changed around him and that defense remained a beast. Kind of like Peyton and that Colts offense. Peyton has Ray beat though. I'd put Brady behind Ray in 3rd because the Pats defense won them those Super Bowls. The Pats haven't won yet as a great offense.

Hmmm... I read that article earlier and don't recall him saying Manning's the "best". Let's see... nope. "Most important", maybe.

skinink: Dan Marino has no Super Bowl wins and I'd have to say he's probably better than Peyton.

Dan Marino doesn't play in the NFL.

skinink: Dan Marino has no Super Bowl wins and I'd have to say he's probably better than Peyton.

No, Peyton is better than Marino. Barring a career-ending injury, Peyton will eclipse every record Marino currently owns. And he could possibly break Favre's consecutive games started streak if Favre ever retires.


stats are the median of their 1st 8 seasons

Peyton's stats for the 1st 8 seasons...

comp----att-----yards----tds----INT----comp %----4th quater comebacks

346------542-----4149----31----- 16-----64----------26

QB rating
94.2


Marino's...
comp----att-----yards----tds----int-----comp %-----4th quater comebacks

312 -----522----3927-----30-----17-----59.2 --------37 (this is career)

QB Rating
88.9

M Bison: No, Peyton is better than Marino. Barring a career-ending injury, Peyton will eclipse every record Marino currently owns. And he could possibly break Favre's consecutive games started streak if Favre ever retires.

Possibly, but you do have to remember when comparing QBs from different eras that the rules are very different; nowadays QBs are much more protected and so are WRs, making it easier to post better numbers.

I'm not saying Manning isn't better than Marino, I think he is...but statistics aren't going to be too useful in drawing a meaningful conclusion regarding which one is better.

never odd or even: Peter von Nostrand: The best player, I'm not sure about that. The best quarterback, okay. But best player?!?!?

Name someone else then. The only player I can think of that was also the core of their team, won a Super Bowl, and kept their team a contender most years over the last decade was Ray Lewis. Players and coordinators changed around him and that defense remained a beast. Kind of like Peyton and that Colts offense. Peyton has Ray beat though. I'd put Brady behind Ray in 3rd because the Pats defense won them those Super Bowls. The Pats haven't won yet as a great offense.

So, are you wanting the best player period or are you wanting the best player with your added caveats?

Peter von Nostrand: So, are you wanting the best player period or are you wanting the best player with your added caveats?

Name anyoen with no caveats.

I mean, who even comes close? Adrian Peterson? Dude has not been in the NFL long enough and RBs are more replaceable than QBs.

It's difficult to measure the Colts offense by traditional standards, still it is rather amazing that an 8-0 team is also 29th in the league in rushing.

Bill Frist: I mean, who even comes close? Adrian Peterson? Dude has not been in the NFL long enough and RBs are more replaceable than QBs.

Jay Cutler. Oh wait, you mean for his own team.

IAmRight: Shady_Short_Busser: Rustybumperjack: Purple Jesus Judas is the best player in football.

/FTFY

Adrian Peterson isn't really a traitor. Unless you're counting growing up in Texas and playing football for OU.

LOL, I guess most of OU is full of traitors then.

Peter von Nostrand: So, are you wanting the best player period or are you wanting the best player with your added caveats?

Bill Simmons is going based on value to his team + having been a champion. There's barely anybody even in the discussion with Peyton. Pats were 11-5 without Brady last year; no way the Colts pull that off without Peyton. Ray Lewis isn't what he used to be. Roethlisberger had a ridiculously good defense with the Super Bowl wins.

never odd or even: I'd put Brady behind Ray in 3rd because the Pats defense won them those Super Bowls.

The defense got them a 32-29 Super Bowl win over the Panthers?

ToddMU03: Lumox: thompsonius: Lumox: SAVE ME BREESUS

/checks profile

The Yellow Line now extends all the way to New Orleans? Last I heard it terminated at Huntington.

Right, well neither 17 nor 26 are the best players in football, so I had to voice my opinion. Also, one of two stadiums I've seen a football game at was the Superdome. Here's the girlfriend repping DC in NO

HA HA! You're a Redskins fan.

/Colts come to DC next year, can't wait to be obnoxious visiting team fan guy
//Gonna harass the hell outta Baltimore fans in 2 weeks.


You going to heckle at the VD Clinic?

kronicfeld: never odd or even: I'd put Brady behind Ray in 3rd because the Pats defense won them those Super Bowls.

The defense got them a 32-29 Super Bowl win over the Panthers?

Or had a last minute drive against the Rams for a winning field goal after the defense gave up a last minute TD?

The Pats defense argument is highly overrated. They only won one of their championships and even that is debatable.

I know that some people mistake a "9" for an "8" on a jersey.

Simple mistake, happens all the time.

I'm pretty sure he meant "most important player in football" as in currently playing. Not "most important football player ever."

And that title should go to Jamarcus Russel, because he has proven that no matter how bad you are at your chosen profession, you can still get paid millions to go out there and fail your heart out.

That's the American Dream.

never odd or even: Bill Simmons is going based on value to his team + having been a champion. There's barely anybody even in the discussion with Peyton. Pats were 11-5 without Brady last year; no way the Colts pull that off without Peyton. Ray Lewis isn't what he used to be. Roethlisberger had a ridiculously good defense with the Super Bowl wins.

Then, as much as I hate to say this, I'll take Brady.

kronicfeld: never odd or even: I'd put Brady behind Ray in 3rd because the Pats defense won them those Super Bowls.

The defense got them a 32-29 Super Bowl win over the Panthers?

You're looking for logic from the Brady-haters? God luck.

Good luck, even.

carnifex2005: The Pats defense argument is highly overrated. They only won one of their championships and even that is debatable.

Holding the Rams that year to 17 was like the Giants holding the Pats to 14 a couple years ago.

IAmRight: Holding the Rams that year to 17 was like the Giants holding the Pats to 14 a couple years ago.

That I certainly agree with. And have said before.

IAmRight: carnifex2005: The Pats defense argument is highly overrated. They only won one of their championships and even that is debatable.

Holding the Rams that year to 17 was like the Giants holding the Pats to 14 a couple years ago.

You're looking for logic from the Brady-lovers? God luck.

No one is jumping all over Lumox's post?

People are actually questioning the validity of the argument?

What the hell, fark?

kronicfeld: The defense got them a 32-29 Super Bowl win over the Panthers?

Well, that defense was ranked #1 in the NFL that year, and was the only reason they beat the Titans and Colts in the playoffs, so it's hardly a stretch to say they wouldn't have won the super bowl without a great defense.


I do remember them recovering a fumble at like the Carolina 10 yard line, though, which turned into a touchdown. And in a game they won by 3 points, those 7 from the defense probably won the game for them.

peachpicker: FTFA: "Andy Reid is a great coach for 3 and a half quarters. In baseball, most starting pitchers do their job really well for most of the game, then need a little help to finish it out. I think you see where I'm going with this. The Eagles need a closer. A coach that they can bring in at the end of close games when they're trailing, or winning by a touchdown or less (save situations). As asinine as this sounds, tell me Eagles fans wouldn't strongly consider it."

Consider it? Are you kidding? They just broke their necks nodding violently.

Heh.

Hell, just start by giving an assistant that red challenge flag. Or maybe give it to the waterboy.

IAmRight: carnifex2005: The Pats defense argument is highly overrated. They only won one of their championships and even that is debatable.

Holding the Rams that year to 17 was like the Giants holding the Pats to 14 a couple years ago.

The fact that Warner had a broken finger on his throwing hand had something to do with it as well.

I gotta think that with Warner at 100% the Pats get smoked but oh well, it didn't happen.

Pats got three interceptions off McNabb, 4 turnovers total, in their 3 point win there.

Bill Frist: You're looking for logic from the Brady-lovers? God luck.

Oh boy, you sure got me there! Copied my typo and everything!

Gosh, now I really wish Tom Brady never was QB for the Pats. He's such a stinker.