Only good move Browns made this year. Why pay this moron an extra 11mil or whatever?

Maybe the Browns will win out the rest of the season and the rest of the AFC North will completely collapse and the Browns make the playoffs, then Quinn gets his snaps in.

Quinn should file a grievance through the union

Postseason snaps probably don't count. Not that I care very much.

FTFA:

Mangini is trying too hard to cover up the reality that Mangini kept Quinn on the bench because it will be much easier to trade Quinn after the season if he hasn't triggered those future salary obligations.

What NFL team would want Quinn?

I'm just exciting to get to watch the 1-7 Browns on MNF...

bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

He might have a case. Granted he wasn't throwing any TD's, but the first three games he was 21-35, 18-31, and 6-8 before being pulled. With only 3 picks in 3 games. Again, pretty poor, but not that bad considering the numbers Anderson put up.

Dangerous game Cleveland's playing if in fact they did bench him to save money. Not only does it poison your team this year, but good luck getting any free agents to sign with you for the next few years (granted, I know it's Cleveland, but still). Of course, owner is clearly going to throw Mangini/etc under the bus after the season and clean house again, so what does he care I guess. That will buy him another couple years of suck with the fans.

Why did Cleveland ever draft him in the first place? It's been obvious since day 1 that they don't want him to be their quarterback

Lost Thought 00: Why did Cleveland ever draft him in the first place? It's been obvious since day 1 that they don't want him to be their quarterback

Because you're starting "day 1" well after draft day.

Hopefully, veedeevadeevoodee will chime in here with a most excellent picture of our beloved teams current condition.

Now he's Bill Belicheck

Candid Eric Mangini: Browns' struggles are like Bill Belichick's first year with Patriots
01:59 AM

In a revealing interview with CBS Sports, Browns coach Eric Mangini asked for patience through the team's extensive struggles this season and said he intends to turn the team into a championship contender.

The Browns are 1-7 and have scored just 78 points, tied for second-worst in the league. Their only win came in a 6-3 decision at Buffalo, and it was the team's lone victory in the past 14 games, dating back to before Mangini's tenure started in January.

Mangini told CBS that he is trying to build the organization with skilled players and good people, and said it takes time to achieve that vision. He compared his first season in Cleveland to Bill Belichick's first season in New England. Mangini was an assistant on that team, which went 5-11, one year before winning Super Bowl XXXVI:

"Thinking back to it, I remember when I drove up with Bill to New England. I was in my hotel that first night. I was listening to a talk show, and the three guys on the show were just killing the decision (to hire Belichick). And I was thinking, 'We haven't even been here five hours, and we're getting killed.' I think back to that now, and say, 'OK, we've been through this experience before. But I know what we're doing.' And so does (assistants) Brad Seely and Brian Daboll and Rob Ryan. You just have to keep digging."

CBS' Clark Judge said that his impression of Mangini after interviewing him was totally different from the dour reputation the Browns coach gives off. Said Judge:

"What I discovered is that virtually everything I read, heard and believed about the guy does not correspond with the man I met. He was cooperative. He was engaging. He was candid. He was thoughtful, secure and downright interesting. In short, he was not the Bill Belichick clone he has been made out to be..."

Among the items Mangini touched on.

* He did not compel Browns rookies to make the controversial bus trip to a charity event in Hartford during the summer, and acknowledged he should not have asked his players to go.
* The Browns hiring a new GM during the current season is a "real possibility," he said. Mangini expects to give input to team owner Randy Lerner's decision, though the new hire could ultimately decide Mangini's fate. The coach said he's not concerned with who gets final say over player acquisition. "I don't care what power anybody has," he said. "It doesn't matter. And I know that probably seems counter-intuitive. But if we can get good players and good people and build the organization ... bring in anybody. The more smart people we have the better."
* Mangini said that he's bothered by personal attacks on him. But he reiterated that he is slowly building a program he expects will be able to contend for a titlea decade from now. "We're committed to building an organization that (Browns fans) can support," he said, "not just in Year One but in Year 10. And that doesn't happen instantly and it's not easy. It's like anything else in life that's worth having. You have to work at it."

-- Sean Leahy

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/11/candid-eric-mang i ni-browns-struggles-are-like-bill-belichicks-first-year-with-patriots/1

Lost Thought 00: Why did Cleveland ever draft him in the first place? It's been obvious since day 1 that they don't want him to be their quarterback

After 21 draft picks and his hangdog face showing up for what seemed like hours, it had to have been a mercy pick.

/made for a hell of a drinking game, though

Lost Thought 00: Why did Cleveland ever draft him in the first place? It's been obvious since day 1 that they don't want him to be their quarterback

A) Mangini didnt draft him
B) He was widely projected as a top 6 QB that fell to 20-something after the first 5 teams expected to take a QB either didnt, or passed on the position entirely - I realize that this makes him (in reality) a 20 something QB not a "top 5" because where you get drafted means more than where you were projected. But at the time it was widely acknowledged the Browns got good value with the pick.
C) He didnt start early on because Anderson was coming off a "pro bowl" season and everyone thought it was great that he could get a few years experience under his belt and not suffer Tim Couch syndrome whereby you take a QB with potential and get his brains softened via incessant sacks his first season.

Other than the fact Mangini didnt draft him there seems to be very little evidence as to why he was benched over Anderson - who has been abysmal, make that extrodinarily abysmal in every start he's made this year.

FTA: There's no good way out of this one for Mangini. He's lying, or he's incompetent.

Or both.

jayhawk88: Not only does it poison your team this year, but good luck getting any free agents to sign with you for the next few years

Already been said: Remember the agent who spoke out? (new window)


The problem in Cleveland is Lerner is paying Savage's salary through 2012 and Crennel's through 2011. They convinced Kokinis to resign so they didn't have to pay a chunk of his severance. With such debt in the front office, it's going to be difficult to hire a Holmgren or a Shanahan and pay them what they're worth.

Lost Thought 00: Why did Cleveland ever draft him in the first place? It's been obvious since day 1 that they don't want him to be their quarterback

Well in their defense, they didn't figure on Derek Anderson showing up in '07 looking like the second coming of...well maybe not Bernie Kosar....let's say Brian Sipe. I'm sure the plan was to throw Anderson out there, let him flounder for a year or two, and hand the reins to Quinn, but when Anderson went off for 3700 yards, got them to 10-6 and just missed the playoffs, suddenly they had a problem.

Pfft...he knows exactly why they benched him. He knows Andersen is no better than Quinn, but Quinn isn't the future of the team, I'm sure it was 'suggested' to him that Quinn not play so they didn't have to shell out some serious bank to a guy that frankly wasn't worth it.

UNC_Samurai: The problem in Cleveland is Lerner is paying Savage's salary through 2012 and Crennel's through 2011. They convinced Kokinis to resign so they didn't have to pay a chunk of his severance. With such debt in the front office, it's going to be difficult to hire a Holmgren or a Shanahan and pay them what they're worth.

True. Plus who's going to want to go there after the circus the whole Mangini/Lerner/Kokinis? Shanny's going to have his pick of jobs, no way they best what someone like the Redskins or Bills (or maybe Texans?) can offer. Saw something on CBS Sports speculating on Gruden, because he has Ohio ties of some kind.

jayhawk88: Lost Thought 00: Why did Cleveland ever draft him in the first place? It's been obvious since day 1 that they don't want him to be their quarterback

Well in their defense, they didn't figure on Derek Anderson showing up in '07 looking like the second coming of...well maybe not Bernie Kosar....let's say Brian Sipe. I'm sure the plan was to throw Anderson out there, let him flounder for a year or two, and hand the reins to Quinn, but when Anderson went off for 3700 yards, got them to 10-6 and just missed the playoffs, suddenly they had a problem.

I wish the Browns had a Brian Sipe type QB right now. A leader, an over achiever & tough as all get-out.

Of course, those factors would lead Mangini to cut him in favor of whatever 3rd string Jets player is available.

bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

I wouldn't reward that incompetent loser either. The team should cut him and draft a real QB.

Your Average Witty Fark User: bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

I wouldn't reward that incompetent loser either. The team should cut him and draft a real QB.

I hear that Jimmy Clausen kid has a helluva arm.

Your Average Witty Fark User: bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

I wouldn't reward that incompetent loser either. The team should cut him and draft a real QB.


Have you ever watched a football game? Quinn has been nothing but competent when he's played.

When asked about notion that he benched QB Brady Quinn so the Browns won't have to pay escalator clauses in his contract, Cleveland head coach Eric Mangini played dumb. And he is the master of playing dumb

Fixed.

And he is the master of playing dumb

Oh, he's not playing.

downtownkid: Your Average Witty Fark User: bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

I wouldn't reward that incompetent loser either. The team should cut him and draft a real QB.


Have you ever watched a football game? Quinn has been nothing but competent when he's played.

I'm not a Browns fan, so I haven't seen much of him, but what I have seen he looks more than competent.

Like anyone, I'll jump on the diss-Quinn bandwagon, but true-be-told he'd probably be pretty decent if he had a team around him. The Browns are just too damn cheap to keep anyone worth while on their squad.

Move him over to the Niners, the Eagles for when McNabb gets hurt again, etc...and I bet he does pretty well.

bsharitt 2009-11-11 09:17:57 AM Maybe the Browns will win out the rest of the season and the rest of the AFC North will completely collapse and the Browns make the playoffs, then Quinn gets his snaps in.
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If that happens, prepare for the apocalyse.

downtownkid: Your Average Witty Fark User: bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

I wouldn't reward that incompetent loser either. The team should cut him and draft a real QB.


Have you ever watched a football game? Quinn has been nothing but competent when he's played.


I agree. I mean he hasn't been stellar, but how could he if they pull him so early. It's not like he was the only guy holding the Browns back.

If I was Brady Quinn, I would be on the phone with Drew Rosenhaus immediately. If he was Brady's agent, this shiat would never happen.

How pissed would you be if you were Brady? He was drafted, and then some psycho coach came in, manufactured a "QB controversy", then finally gave in and named Quinn the starter, only to bench him after TWO frickin games. So now, when he cant get the money - he all of a sudden gets the starting job back, even though DA has been in shiatsville since day one.

All of you idiots who are dissing Quinn have no idea what you are talking about - WE have no idea if he sucks or is great at this point. He only played two frickin games. Cleveland could have had the next Tom Brady on their hands, and would have that person riding the bench.

bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

It would be different if the browns put him on the pup list ensuring that he wouldn't suit up enough to make some clause in his contract when he was perfectly healthy. Quinn shouldn't have been so cocky as to think he would be the starter. I'm sure his agent figured out several weeks ago, when it became evident that this was what was going on, that there wasn't a damn thing they could do about it. He made a bet and he lost, take the sure money when you sign a rookie contract. 1 in hand is worth...

I'm curious to see what Brady Quinn can do as a starting QB. He's got this year and likely next year to prove himself.

At this point, I think DA should be the third string QB. Brett Ratliff can't possibly be worse.

Hmm, the Redskins are 24th in rushing and the Browns are 23rd. The Redskins are 28th in pass protection and the Browns are 16th. So the solution here is to dump your QBs? Really? You don't think you might want to get a run game first? Maybe draft a lineman or two? This goes back to my theory that these teams are busting their own QBs by putting them in a position to fail.

jayhawk88: ...Gruden, because he has Ohio ties of some kind.

Oh, so you've heard him talk too?

I was at the Browns/Packers game. On the ride back to Columbus I was listening to the Browns sportstalk post game show. The host vehemently defended Mangini and the choice to stick with Anderson. "I have faith in this coach, and he obviously thinks that Derek Anderson gives this team the best chance to win. We're not at the practices, but they've obviously seen something from Anderson that makes him the better choice." That something is an 11 followed by six zeros.

The Browns are awful. The kind of awful that is special because you don't see it every year. They made the Packers look like world beaters, and the Packers aren't very good right now.

As Anderson continued to flounder in a spectacular fashion and Quinn remained on the bench it became obvious that the owners/management/coaches had already written off the season and were looking to save money. If I were a Browns fan I would be livid. I'm not so naive to believe that football is anything but a business, but the team decision makers decided to give up on this season so early (make Anderson the starter after throwing three picks in a half?) that it is embarassing.

The Quinn hate is unjustified. People hate him because he went to Notre Dame, and because the media pumped him up. However, anyone who has watched Quinn play in Cleveland knows that the kid deserves a fair shot at the position. He hasn't had that, yet.

Cleveland is a BAD team, and, at this point, whichever QB they choose isn't going to make much of a difference. If Quinn played on a team like San Francisco, he'd be owned on 95% of fantasy football teams.

Ponzholio: I'm just exciting to get to watch the 1-7 Browns on MNF...

You'll be changing your tune about seven minutes into it...then you'll wish they would stay where no one can see them.

/Seattle fan for many, many years
//can identify

murp0837: The Quinn hate is unjustified. People hate him because he went to Notre Dame, and because the media pumped him up. However, anyone who has watched Quinn play in Cleveland knows that the kid deserves a fair shot at the position. He hasn't had that, yet.

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I can't help but wonder if Quinn got the start at first because that's what the fans expected, later on Mangini decided to prove that he's the man in charge and went with DA (who has been awful awful awful). He's been playing the power-trip head game with the two of them this week (Starting QB not announced till today - like it matters to Baltimore...).

Quinn had two mediocre/average appearances before being benched, DA has had 5 truely grotesque games since and Mangini somehow feels he's still worthy of weekly consideration?

I really dont get it - although I think that IF (big IF) Lerner hires a real football guy as a GM/Chief executive that Mangini is out anyway. In a way its a bit of a shame, I think year one is not something you can use to determine the success of a coach, but if you're REALLY going to bring in someone new at the top of the organization I can't see how you can do that AND tell the new top guy "You can't fire the coach".

Are we sure the Browns are getting their due credit for being a completely, utterly, hopelessly dysfunctional train-wreck this year? I mean this team is going NOWHERE. I feel that with all the talk about Detroit, Tampa Bay or St. Louis, Cleveland is getting lost in the folds.

bsharitt: Maybe the Browns will win out the rest of the season and the rest of the AFC North will completely collapse and the Browns make the playoffs, then Quinn gets his snaps in.


Uh...yeah.....good luck with that.

spacechicken170am: Hmm, the Redskins are 24th in rushing and the Browns are 23rd. The Redskins are 28th in pass protection and the Browns are 16th. So the solution here is to dump your QBs? Really? You don't think you might want to get a run game first? Maybe draft a lineman or two? This goes back to my theory that these teams are busting their own QBs by putting them in a position to fail.

Bill Simmons just did a podcast with Aaron Schatz from Football Outsiders. He asked Schatz to make some prediction that people wouldn't expect, and Schatz responded with something to the effect of "Jason Campbell is, at worst, an average QB, he's been put through the ringer in Washington, and if he signs with a team that has competent management and a decent OL, he will shock people."

Back to Quinn, he's really never had a fair chance. That team is a disaster, and he hasn't been horrible when he's actually been allowed to play. Certainly no worse than Anderson. I agree that Anderson's out-of-nowhere season caused a legitimate controversy, but I think he's done enough since then to prove that the Brows should forget about that year.

Quinn, Campbell, and Matt Leinart are the three guys I'd love to see get another legitimate chance in a new situation. Vince Young was on this list a couple of weeks ago, but he got his.

No wonder they call them the Cleveland Browns.

relcec: bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

It would be different if the browns put him on the pup list ensuring that he wouldn't suit up enough to make some clause in his contract when he was perfectly healthy. Quinn shouldn't have been so cocky as to think he would be the starter. I'm sure his agent figured out several weeks ago, when it became evident that this was what was going on, that there wasn't a damn thing they could do about it. He made a bet and he lost, take the sure money when you sign a rookie contract. 1 in hand is worth...

Good god, so now he's cocky because he has incentives in his contract? He would have been the better dude if he said "No, I want more money, regardless of how much or how well I play." You people are incredible.

The browns have succesfully ruined TWO quarterbacks.

Congratulations.

marksman: The browns have succesfully ruined TWO quarterbacks.

Congratulations.

Oh, they've wrecked far more than two. I would recommend reading this article (it's a bit of a wall of text).

There are a lot of people saying that Quinn was great and they don't understand why he got pulled. As a die-hard Browns fan, let me step in and explain why he got pulled to those of you who don't watch week-in and week-out.

In short, the guy panics. His numbers look fine on paper, but in practice the guy gets scared every time the pocket starts to collapse. The Browns have a strong left-side offensive line, but their right side is young/weak and susceptible to the blitz. Rather than trying to make a play against a potentially vulnerable secondary, Quinn would either panic and scramble or panic and dump it off to Royal at the TE position. It's great that he wouldn't get hit, but you end up with two problems as a result: the defense never had to stop blitzing to protect against other threats, and 2-3 yards on a 3rd & 8 play will not get you first downs.

The one thing he never (or rarely, since my memory isn't quite what it used to be) did was take a hit in order to go for an important play. You can't get first downs if you don't ever try to go past the first down markers, and when he got scared he'd go for the safe play instead of the necessary play.

That's not to say that DA did any better. The guy has never had finesse, and combine his short/medium-range inaccuracy with receivers who are young and unmentored and you get the rest of the craptacular games we've had. At least he was throwing the ball down the field, though.

downtownkid: Have you ever watched a football game? Quinn has been nothing but competent when he's played.

Quinn was terrible in each of his starts this season. Most every throw was at or behind the line of scrimmage, even on third downs. He played so terrified that his passing game became little more than positioning to set up the punt.

Maybe he can become an effective QB, but I didn't see any of that this season. 3 and out is no way to run a passing game.

bulldg4life: Quinn should file a grievance through the union

For what?

Wasn't there a running back a few years ago that had an escalator in his contract and he missed it by a couple yards. The coach held him out of the last game. Or some such thing...

The Browns are totally farked.

Via "The Watercooler" on OBR, "Eric Mangini Needs A Mustache"

Link

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AdmiralKit:There are a lot of people saying that Quinn was great and they don't understand why he got pulled. As a die-hard Browns fan, let me step in and explain why he got pulled to those of you who don't watch week-in and week-out.

In short, the guy panics. His numbers look fine on paper, but in practice the guy gets scared every time the pocket starts to collapse. The Browns have a strong left-side offensive line, but their right side is young/weak and susceptible to the blitz. Rather than trying to make a play against a potentially vulnerable secondary, Quinn would either panic and scramble or panic and dump it off to Royal at the TE position. It's great that he wouldn't get hit, but you end up with two problems as a result: the defense never had to stop blitzing to protect against other threats, and 2-3 yards on a 3rd & 8 play will not get you first downs.

The one thing he never (or rarely, since my memory isn't quite what it used to be) did was take a hit in order to go for an important play. You can't get first downs if you don't ever try to go past the first down markers, and when he got scared he'd go for the safe play instead of the necessary play.

That's not to say that DA did any better. The guy has never had finesse, and combine his short/medium-range inaccuracy with receivers who are young and unmentored and you get the rest of the craptacular games we've had. At least he was throwing the ball down the field, though.

HE ONLY PLAYED TWO GAMES YOU ASSHAT. YOU CANNOT EVEN JUDGE A FARKIN GIRL PLAYING HOPSCOTCH FROM JUST TWO GAMES.

Your hair is a bird, your argument is invalid.

Troy McClure: downtownkid: Have you ever watched a football game? Quinn has been nothing but competent when he's played.

Quinn was terrible in each of his starts this season. Most every throw was at or behind the line of scrimmage, even on third downs. He played so terrified that his passing game became little more than positioning to set up the punt.

Maybe he can become an effective QB, but I didn't see any of that this season. 3 and out is no way to run a passing game.


Terrible? You really believe that? I would go with "below average", or maybe "poorly" but his play wasn't even close to terrible. If you want to call his play terrible you're going to need some sort of Holocaust metaphor to describe DA's play.

Quinn looked pretty good in the Denver game last year. His performance this year has much more to do with the surrounding cast than him.

downtownkid: Troy McClure: downtownkid: Have you ever watched a football game? Quinn has been nothing but competent when he's played.

Quinn was terrible in each of his starts this season. Most every throw was at or behind the line of scrimmage, even on third downs. He played so terrified that his passing game became little more than positioning to set up the punt.

Maybe he can become an effective QB, but I didn't see any of that this season. 3 and out is no way to run a passing game.


Terrible? You really believe that? I would go with "below average", or maybe "poorly" but his play wasn't even close to terrible. If you want to call his play terrible you're going to need some sort of Holocaust metaphor to describe DA's play.

Quinn looked pretty good in the Denver game last year. His performance this year has much more to do with the surrounding cast than him.

Jamarcus Russell is more terribler and is still playing.